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Senate Approves Bill that Legalizes Sodomy and Bestiality in U.S. Military       By Pete Winn December 1, 2011 Subscribe to Pete Winn's posts       
  Family Research Council President Tony Perkins. (AP photo) (CNSNews.com)(Updated) The Senate on Thursday evening voted 93-7 to approve a defense authorization bill that includes a provision which not only repeals the military law on sodomy, it also repeals the military ban on sex with animals--or bestiality.
On Nov. 15, the Senate Armed Services Committee had unanimously approved S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act, which includes a provision to repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).
Article 125 of the UCMJ makes it illegal to engage in both sodomy with humans and sex with animals.
It states: "(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense. (b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
Family Research Council President Tony Perkins said the effort to remove sodomy from military law stems from liberal Senate Democrats' and President Obama’s support for removing the military’s Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy.
“It’s all about using the military to advance this administration’s radical social agenda,” Perkins told CNSNews.com. “Not only did they overturn Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, but they had another problem, and that is, under military law sodomy is illegal, just as adultery is illegal, so they had to remove that prohibition against sodomy.”
Perkins said removing the bestiality provision may have been intentional--or just “collateral damage”
“Well, whether it was inadvertent or not, they have also taken out the provision against bestiality,” he said. “So now, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), there’s nothing there to prosecute bestiality."
Former Army Col. Bob Maginnis said some military lawyers have indicated that bestiality may be prosecutable under another section of the military code of justice – the “catch-all” Article 134 for offenses against “good military order and discipline.”
But don't count on that, he said.
“If we have a soldier who engages in sodomy with an animal – whether a government animal or a non-government animal – is it, in fact, a chargeable offense under the Uniform Code? I think that’s in question,” Maginnis told CNSNews.com.
“When the reader stops laughing, the reader needs to ask the question whether or not this is in the best interests of the government, in the best interests of the military and the best interests of the country? I think not.”
He added: “Soldiers, unfortunately, like it or not, have engaged in this type of behavior in the past. Will they in the future, if they remove this statute? I don’t know.”
Perkins said there was no attempt to remove the UCMJ repeal provision from the bill, which Perkins had expected the Senate to approve.
Now that it has passed, however, the Senate version will have to go to a conference committee, and Perkins predicts there will be several sticking points with the House.
“The House in their version of the defense authorization, reinforced the Defense of Marriage Act, saying that there is a military DOMA as well, prohibiting same-sex marriage on military bases – something the Department of Defense is pushing for,” he said.
“And now this is an added concern, that sodomy has been removed, and as we have discovered, that bestiality--the prohibition against it--has been removed from the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So yes, the House will have problems with this bill.”
     
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Re: Dem controlled senate approves sodomy and bestiality bill for military.
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2011, 11:50:40 AM »
So what happens when they want to engage in these behaviors while deployed to the Middle East?
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2011, 12:24:20 PM »
So what happens when they want to engage in these behaviors while deployed to the Middle East?

 
Well, not sure. I hear the muzzies like little boys and goats so they might just fit right in. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2011, 01:11:31 PM »
From the title- at first I thought the military was going to have to start sodomy and beastiality.
 
 
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2011, 01:55:20 PM »
From the title- at first I thought the military was going to have to start sodomy and beastiality.
 
 
Remember the old scene from Stripes - Are either of you homosexuals?
No sir but we are willing to learn. Will they send us to a special school for that?

No its what the senate and so called pres is doing to the military.

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2011, 02:51:03 PM »
Welcome to the world of democrats, libs, and perverts. I'm sure the resident ones are happy now with their great self annointed one. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2011, 06:43:49 PM »
I would hope that the public is starting to wake up to what the democrats represent. It ain't gonna fly in the part of the country I live in.

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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2011, 07:05:02 PM »
Senate Approves Bill that Legalizes Sodomy and Bestiality in U.S. Military       By Pete Winn December 1, 2011 Subscribe to Pete Winn's posts       
  Family Research Council President Tony Perkins. (AP photo) (CNSNews.com)(Updated) The Senate on Thursday evening voted 93-7 to approve a defense authorization bill that includes a provision which not only repeals the military law on sodomy, it also repeals the military ban on sex with animals--or bestiality.
On Nov. 15, the Senate Armed Services Committee had unanimously approved S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act, which includes a provision to repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).
Article 125 of the UCMJ makes it illegal to engage in both sodomy with humans and sex with animals.
It states: "(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.
Whoa... I know some of our readers here just want to beat up on homosexuals... but look closely here, heterosexuals are prohibited from certain practices which I'll bet some of us might enjoy. Check out the portion underlined/bolded... might some here have problems with that?
Powderman, you posted it - what exactly does Art. 125 refer to, when it says unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex, that you object to?
 
Well, not sure. I hear the muzzies like little boys and goats so they might just fit right in. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2011, 12:33:17 AM »
edited 12/8/11 by SSS
 
I started to post an arguement there but decided against it.
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2011, 03:44:38 AM »
The government should stay out of the bedroom and the barn. In no way am I advocating either practice, I would just hope there were more important issues for the government to be involved in.

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2011, 05:20:29 AM »
 
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The government should stay out of the bedroom and the barn. In no way am I advocating either practice, I would just hope there were more important issues for the government to be involved in.
   I agree to that to an extent.  What about cases of child molestation and child pornography?  That is where I say the state has the right to go in and forcefully put an end to that type of situation.  I believe the Federal Government has no say in the matter and should focus more on what the Constitution allows them to work on and less on what should be left to states rights.
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2011, 06:28:02 AM »
Check that vote. 93-7,  looks like most of the Republicans voted for it also!!
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2011, 06:36:06 AM »
  Takes the phrase "screwing the pooch" in a whole new direction.  What used to be slang for 'goofing off' or 'wasting time' now just means exactly as it says. 
 
  This is not good.  I'm trying to see some humor, but the simple fact that bestiality is no longer illegal among our nation's armed forces is just a fact without any redeaming quality.

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2011, 06:40:33 AM »
Now that Homosexuals are open to join  and can '"tell" you need that sort of carnal copulation prohibition removed. After all you wouldn't want them to do "without" now. ::) ::)
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2011, 07:01:03 AM »
I just finished a book written by a sailor , an enlisted man not an officer. He said that homosexuality is causing a lot of fights amongst the common enlisted people. The officer corps may gloss it over and cover it up to protect their precious careers, but it is causing a lot of discord amongst the ranks. This is exactly how I would react to pushy queers, I'll ignore you, but touch me and I'll break your arm or worse.

We just don't need that in our military. We have some of the finest of our youth who are willing to serve their country right now.  If the stories of life in the military with gays running around causing fights and other problems, will the good kids continue to sacrifice to "do the right thing"?

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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2011, 07:26:45 AM »
I just finished a book written by a sailor , an enlisted man not an officer.
What is the name of the book, and who is the author?
 
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He said that homosexuality is causing a lot of fights amongst the common enlisted people.
I didn't know that.
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The officer corps may gloss it over and cover it up to protect their precious careers, but it is causing a lot of discord amongst the ranks. This is exactly how I would react to pushy queers, I'll ignore you, but touch me and I'll break your arm or worse.
Few folks with gay inclination are going to 'touch you', and if you're holding them to a diff standard when they tack your crow on, you'll richly deserve the broken arm you may get; lots of 'gays' out there who could clean your clock.
 
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If the stories of life in the military with gays running around causing fights and other problems, will the good kids continue to sacrifice to "do the right thing"?
I'd be interested to see some documentation on this. Links, titles, authors?
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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2011, 08:06:23 AM »
Oh, bloody hell!  Stop and THINK before venting.

The wording that was struck, that banning "sodomy," also banned what a lot of monogamous couples engage in - cunnilingus and fellatio.  Heck, in theory, it banned even using your hands.  So, if you think that people in the military should only be allowed to use the missionary position (other positions are unnatural, after all) with no foreplay, you need some serious help.

Bestiality is still banned in the military.

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WASHINGTON — Just in case you weren’t sure, bestiality is still illegal in the U.S. military.

And, yes, that issue was actually in question this week. For the past few days, White House and Pentagon officials have fielded uncomfortable queries on whether they are working to decriminalize sex with animals as part of efforts to update the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

In fact, Congress is poised to remove from the books the only specific reference to bestiality contained in the UCMJ. The obscure deletion, contained in the massive Defense Appropriations bill now being finalized, raised the ire of some conservative groups still outraged over the repeal of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” law that allowed homosexuals to serve openly in the military.

For their part, Pentagon officials say the deletion of bestiality is a legal technicality and does not represent any fundamental change in the military’s moral code for servicemembers (and service animals).

“The department’s position on this issue remains unchanged and that act remains illegal,” said defense spokesman Lt. Col Todd Breasseale.

The issue traces back to the 2004 Supreme Court case knocking down state anti-sodomy laws, a ruling which riled conservative groups. Despite that, anti-sodomy regulations remained in the UCMJ as officials worked to update sex crimes statutes.

Military officials have now asked Congress to drop the anti-sodomy language from the UCMJ. But that article of the military code doesn’t just include humans, and that’s where the confusion begins.

Article 125 actually states that any servicemember who “engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same sex or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy.” Offenders face court-martial for any violations.
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Cue various conservative groups and bloggers, who promptly attempted to link the recent “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal with this apparent evidence that the military now accepts bestiality — a comparison that military officials this week blasted as false and offensive.

In a recent online post titled “Bestiality Should Give Leaders Paws,” the Family Research Council called the sex with animals confusion proof that the “don’t ask, don’t tell” repeal was done too hastily.

Then, at a White House press briefing this week, Les Kinsolving, a correspondent for the conservative WorldNetDaily, asked White House spokesman Jay Carney: “Does the commander-in-chief approve or disapprove of bestiality in our armed forces?”

Carney laughed off the question and refused to answer, which in turn prompted a stinging rebuke from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

“With respect, this is no laughing matter,” wrote PETA spokesman Colleen O’Brien. “Animal abuse does not affect animals only — it is also a matter of public safety, as people who abuse animals very often go on to abuse human beings. I hope that in the future, you will address important issues with sensitivity and not dismiss them with a joke.”

Lobbyists from the far left and far right don’t often agree on much, but apparently sex with animals can bring them together.

But Breasseale said the whole controversy is off-base.

Even if Article 125 is removed, the UCMJ contains provisions under which troops can be punished. Article 134, for example, forbids “all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces” and “all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.” Breasseale said that would cover any and all animal abuse.

In fact, past instances of bestiality in the military have been prosecuted under that statue, instead of Article 125. The legal record dates back to 1957, when Pvt. Ricardo Sanchez was convicted of “an indecent act with an animal” under section 134, even without specific wording prohibiting sex with animals.

In addition, before the potential language changes reached Congress, the Joint Service Committee on Military Justice drafted a list of punitive offenses under the UCMJ which specifically includes animal abuse. That is set to be included in the Manual for Courts-Martial, and will give clear guidance on what to do in such cases.

Breasseale said the change pending before Congress is truly just a legal clean-up effort, and will in no way endanger animals.

“It is difficult to envision a situation where a servicemember engages in sexual conduct with an animal that would not be conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline or service-discrediting,” he said.

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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2011, 08:10:27 AM »
Oh, bloody hell!  Stop and THINK before venting.

The wording that was struck, that banning "sodomy," also banned what a lot of monogamous couples engage in - cunnilingus and fellatio.  Heck, in theory, it banned even using your hands.  So, if you think that people in the military should only be allowed to use the missionary position (other positions are unnatural, after all) with no foreplay, you need some serious help.

Bestiality is still banned in the military.

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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2011, 08:43:34 AM »
You Are Free by Matthew Montague. It's a novel so you will have to read the whole thing to see what I saw. That would be a good thing because a lot of you folks who seem to know what is best for the military HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE and HAVE NO CLUE. The writer had obviously been there and done that. I've been there too, and I would not care if a queer that touched me was bigger and tougher than me, there still would have been a fight.

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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2011, 11:50:02 AM »
I cannot speak for anyone else, but it is my opinion that the CinC is doing everything he can to destroy the quality of our military by instigating disorder in the ranks of the armed forces.  if this bill gets signed into law, the Obamination will have taken a great stride to securing the Abomination vote.  Obummer needs the sodomite, I mean Obamanite, pervert, er.....Obamaton vote.

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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2011, 03:28:37 PM »
I cannot speak for anyone else, but it is my opinion that the CinC is doing everything he can to destroy the quality of our military by instigating disorder in the ranks of the armed forces.  if this bill gets signed into law, the Obamination will have taken a great stride to securing the Abomination vote.  Obummer needs the sodomite, I mean Obamanite, pervert, er.....Obamaton vote.

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Agreed Sir. Truthfully the only difference between homosexuality and bestiality is the # of legs of the participants. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2011, 05:31:19 PM »
Do away with "don't ask ,don't tell"
Then maybe we can get "QUOTAS"
Then the queers can file suits when  they're not promoted. "BECAUSE THEY ARE QUEER"
It all boils down to ((( the queers have their own version of the race card )))
And people don't see a problem with queers in the services???
 

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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2011, 06:23:15 PM »
You Are Free by Matthew Montague.
Thanks!
It's a novel so you will have to read the whole thing to see what I saw. That would be a good thing because a lot of you folks who seem to know what is best for the military HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE and HAVE NO CLUE. [/QUOTE]
Well, I've been there, and did that (well, not that) while I was there.
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I've been there too, and I would not care if a queer that touched me was bigger and tougher than me, there still would have been a fight.
Even if he was just tacking on your new crow? Such an uncharitable position... .
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2011, 06:33:34 PM »
Welcome to the world of democrats, libs, and perverts. I'm sure the resident ones are happy now with their great self annointed one. POWDERMAN.  :o :o


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Lee from Utah
Paul from Ky
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Harkin from Ia
One Indep. Sanders from Vt

When they asked McCain about the bill and sodomy and Bestiality he stammered and said call and we will get back to you...LOL.

Most of these clowns both Rep and Dem don't even know what's in the bills they vote on.
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2011, 06:51:08 PM »
Those Repubs voting no, aren't running for president, and so don't have to appeal to the lower, base instincts of the Repub primary electorate.
 
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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2011, 01:36:00 AM »
Those Repubs voting no, aren't running for president, and so don't have to appeal to the lower, base instincts of the Repub primary electorate.
 
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Re: Dem controlled senate approves sodomy and bestiality bill for military.
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2011, 04:53:35 AM »
Do away with "don't ask ,don't tell"
Then maybe we can get "QUOTAS"
Then the queers can file suits when  they're not promoted. "BECAUSE THEY ARE QUEER"
It all boils down to ((( the queers have their own version of the race card )))
And people don't see a problem with queers in the services???

 
YEP. Let the discrimination lawsuits begin, more money for lawyers. I don't care who started the bill or who voted for it, it's still a sad day for America for the govt to approve and promote sin and perversion. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
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Re: Dem controlled senate approves sodomy and bestiality bill for military.
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2011, 02:35:04 PM »
While I notice that there are those in our society that cry foul when someone wants to "peek" into their bedroom, usually lots of these same people want to "peek" into my gun cabinet/safe, or trash my fourth amendment rights thru unreasonable search and siezure of my paycheck. Thats what grinds my beans, selective acceptance of the constitution!!

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Re: Dem controlled senate approves sodomy and bestiality bill for military.
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2011, 03:25:51 PM »
While I notice that there are those in our society that cry foul when someone wants to "peek" into their bedroom, usually lots of these same people want to "peek" into my gun cabinet/safe, or trash my fourth amendment rights thru unreasonable search and siezure of my paycheck. Thats what grinds my beans, selective acceptance of the constitution!!

Government has no place in either one.
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Re: Dem controlled senate approves sodomy and bestiality bill for military.
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2011, 03:41:54 PM »
While I notice that there are those in our society that cry foul when someone wants to "peek" into their bedroom, usually lots of these same people want to "peek" into my gun cabinet/safe, or trash my fourth amendment rights thru unreasonable search and siezure of my paycheck. Thats what grinds my beans, selective acceptance of the constitution!!

Not near as much as you'd think, carbineman.
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