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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2011, 08:24:33 AM »
Why can't you just give a quick outline on what the link is about? 
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2011, 09:27:12 AM »
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"Why can't you just give a quick outline on what the link is about?"


The link is downloading just fine now. Try it again. I would rather have you all read the whole article.
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2011, 10:38:25 AM »
  I noticed it is from THE CAP TIMES...your progressive voice.  Then I noticed all the negative chatter in the right hand  column..so I took it for what it's worth.
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2011, 03:02:45 AM »
Quote from Ironglow:
" I noticed it is from THE CAP TIMES...your progressive voice.  Then I noticed all the negative chatter in the right hand  column..so I took it for what it's worth."


Ironglow, you are always welcome to post a rebuttal from a source that you prefer.
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2011, 04:28:30 AM »
  That's what happens when the prez of the US decides to "get revenge" on the folks in Wisconsin who voted in Scott Walker.
   Jeffrey Immelt, CEO of General Electric (who paid no income tax last year) is Obama's "Jobs Czar".  One would think being a "jobs Czar" would automatically mean nhe would go all-out to insure jobs and job availability in the USA.  ..Buit no; Obama can't get revenge that way, so he has his puppet Immelty, move part of GE out of Wisconsin.
   How many other businesses have been wrecked by a desire for revenge ?
 
   http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-25/ge-healthcare-moves-x-ray-base-to-china-no-job-cuts-planned.html
 
  In case you have any doubts about the story;
   
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/ge.asp
 
  A vengeful administration in Washington can do a lot of damage to any state. 
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2011, 08:27:11 AM »
  I noticed it is from THE CAP TIMES...your progressive voice.  Then I noticed all the negative chatter in the right hand  column..so I took it for what it's worth.
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Typical Ironglow response ...knock the 'source' of the report to justify dissonance...... ;)
 
 
..TM7
;D ;D ;D :o Sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black. 
I also noticed you have a tendency to select "progressive" or post unsubstantiated comments and claim they are from "sources".
"You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts." - Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

When you allow a lie to go unchallenged, it becomes the truth.

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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2011, 11:20:07 AM »
I am always confused when posters of the "conservative" lean, whine at a company moving to China and taking away American jobs...????
 
This is "Free Market" economics, produce where it is the cheapest and sell for the highest price possible.  Unfettered supply and demand, free market, is frought with severe swings up and down.  Shortage and surplus, success and failure, boom and bust - with the devil taking the stragglers.  Not always a pretty picture but the one I see most supported here.  I am not a fan of this type of "globalization" and I fear we may find ourselves in a postion where if isolated - we won't be able to support our own needs from within the country.
 
We can't have it both ways.  I would rather we returned to manufacturing here, even if we can't afford as much stuff.   Just me.

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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2011, 04:26:30 AM »
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when you raise taxes on corps and elites they are stimulated to invest and re-invest funds to maintain wealth.

 If that were true, why would big corperations and elites not be supporting all Democrats for elections?
 
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2011, 04:51:04 AM »
  I noticed it is from THE CAP TIMES...your progressive voice.  Then I noticed all the negative chatter in the right hand  column..so I took it for what it's worth.
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Typical Ironglow response ...knock the 'source' of the report to justify dissonance...... ;)
 
 
..TM7
;D ;D ;D :o Sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black. 
I also noticed you have a tendency to select "progressive" or post unsubstantiated comments and claim they are from "sources".

What's this got to to do with the thread?  AND Who cares what you notice or think...? ::) ;D ::) ;)    ..TM7
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   Anybody hear the pot calling names here ?   ;)   ;D   ;D   ;D
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2011, 04:55:29 AM »
I'm still waiting on GE to pay some TAXES! THEY HAVEN'T AND THEY WON'T! Hows that workin for ya? and everyone that DOES pay taxes? This is just another thread of liberals, and union members wanting an ENTIRE STATE to do what THEY want them to do.
Walker got voted in, and unions don't like it. They tried to get him out, and the "Citizens of Wisconsin" don't want him out. The whiners are the unions that "LOST". Where's your patriotism and support to you elected officials, union members? The people of Wisconsin have spoken, and majority dictates. Quit cryin and get on with your lives. You lost! ;)
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2011, 04:58:31 AM »
I'm still waiting on GE to pay some TAXES! THEY HAVEN'T AND THEY WON'T! Hows that workin for ya? and everyone that DOES pay taxes? This is just another thread of liberals, and union members wanting an ENTIRE STATE to do what THEY want them to do.
Walker got voted in, and unions don't like it. They tried to get him out, and the "Citizens of Wisconsin" don't want him out. The whiners are the unions that "LOST". Where's your patriotism and support to you elected officials, union members? The people of Wisconsin have spoken, and majority dictates. Quit cryin and get on with your lives. You lost! ;)
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   AMEN, Dee
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2011, 05:12:01 AM »
IG,,,I believe the unemployment increase in Wisconsin is primaily from termination of state employed persons. Walker's tax cuts and policies were to increase private sector jobs he claimed....but didn't, and never had in history. When you cut taxes to corps and elites they are stimulated to KEEP the money, or keep and take elsewhere.....when you raise taxes on corps and elites they are stimulated to invest and re-invest funds to maintain wealth. The myth and notion that cutting corporate and personal taxes on elites creates jobs is one of the clubs used to flog so-called conservatives for years now....but has never been born out in reality.
 
..TM7

Could you give some warning next time you post a lesson in economics, it rolled right over the top of my chest waders.




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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2011, 06:04:55 AM »
IG,,,I believe the unemployment increase in Wisconsin is primaily from termination of state employed persons. Walker's tax cuts and policies were to increase private sector jobs he claimed....but didn't, and never had in history. When you cut taxes to corps and elites they are stimulated to KEEP the money, or keep and take elsewhere.....when you raise taxes on corps and elites they are stimulated to invest and re-invest funds to maintain wealth. The myth and notion that cutting corporate and personal taxes on elites creates jobs is one of the clubs used to flog so-called conservatives for years now....but has never been born out in reality.
 
..TM7

Good grief, these measures have been implemented for less than a year, and you expect immediate results? This couldn't be done until the State let the unions finish trashing the State Capital, and the Dems came back from hiding in the Socialist Republic of Illinois.
Besides that, the Democrat Liberals friend "General Electric" doesn't pay any taxes at all, and that doesn't seem to matter. Eric Holder took office BEFORE he paid his back taxes. Democratic liberals are such hype! ocrits.
Like I said. THE UNIONS LOST! Then they had a recall. THE UNIONS LOST AGAIN! Get over it, get in line, get to work, and accept it! Wisconsin voters ARE TIRED OF UNION CORRUPTION, AND ELITEISM. They proved it at the polls.
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2011, 09:35:56 AM »
  Trying to fix the economy through taxation and an unfair taxation you really have to love that.
Our economy is not tax driven, investment driven, or government driven. It is consumer driven and like or not those top 1% as the envious like to call them are as much part of the consumer crowd as any of us. More so as they have more money to spend. But just like any consumer the less money they have the less they will spend.  Never in the history of any economy has increased taxation improve that economy. 

TM7 that article is nothing more than a class warfare promotion disguised as a whole bunch of numbers based on a socialist agenda.

Want fix the economy first get government out of the market place then remove any legislation or bureaucracy  that promotes an unlevel playing field of opportunity.
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2011, 11:31:24 AM »
 
  Quote from: TM7 on Today at 10:13:44 AM
IG,,,I believe the unemployment increase in Wisconsin is primaily from termination of state employed persons. Walker's tax cuts and policies were to increase private sector jobs he claimed....but didn't, and never had in history. When you cut taxes to corps and elites they are stimulated to KEEP the money, or keep and take elsewhere.....when you raise taxes on corps and elites they are stimulated to invest and re-invest funds to maintain wealth. The myth and notion that cutting corporate and personal taxes on elites creates jobs is one of the clubs used to flog so-called conservatives for years now....but has never been born out in reality.
 
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It sure is comical how the liberal-progressives demand that Walker have an economy which has been failing for decades, cleaned up in a few short momths.....But fall for the "Bush did it" !.. whining and crying of Obama !
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2011, 02:07:57 PM »
TM7,

Those of you on the liberal left demand immediate gratification to your wants and desires without regard for the cost to other persons and groups.    That being said, this  notion that Governor Walker must immediately fix the state economy is ridiculous; yet, Governor Walker is taking steps to correct long festering issues.   The unions must pay for benefits now....get over it.

However, using the immediate gratification gimme logic of the left, the liberal messiah Obama should have the economy roaring with an average unemployment of less than 5%.   The truth is.......Obama has no clue to fix an economy.

In closing, I will quote your fearless leader Obama "You lost".

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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2011, 02:48:02 PM »
TM7, You might want to brush up on your fuzzy math.  Governor Walker took the oath of office in Jan. 2011, to date that is roughly 10 months, not two years.
 
Because these unionized community agitators candidates that LOST the election in 2010 and again in 2011 we are going to be in a perpetual election cycle cause the majority(at this time) have rejected their ideas. Sadly thanks to them they have pushed my state closer to the point where violence will probably be the only way that this gets settled(according to them).
 


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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2011, 02:53:34 PM »
Sounds to me, according to this article and to some on this forum, that the best thing we could do is raise taxes.  If a little is good, why not a lot.  Lets just tax at 100% and allow no deductions.  That should fix things.  All those taxes should create a bunch of jobs.  I know it would where I work. 
 
And with all that money, the entire GDP, we could pay off our debt as a nation in just a few years.
 
While we're at it, lets increase government spending...a bunch.  It seems to help the economy, so why not.  Lets just triple it, and in so doing we will obviously triple the job growth.
 
It's been a long time since I studied economics, and civics, so maybe I should embrace the new norms.
 
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2011, 02:31:02 AM »
I agree mechanic. And the RECALL ELECTION up in Wisconsin was a real money maker wasn't it? Didn't work, but the election polls folks got some overtime. And what about the "cleanup crews" that came in and restored the State Capitol Building and grounds after the union protesters trashed it. There was job creation at it's best.
What about the extra security for the State Reps that couldn't get to their offices because of the union protesters threatening them also. That was some overtime well spent. I just don't understand why the Governor and the State Reps haven't got Wisconsin's economy up and roarin with all the help from the unions they've gotten. ::)
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2011, 06:01:54 AM »
Sounds to me, according to this article and to some on this forum, that the best thing we could do is raise taxes.  If a little is good, why not a lot.  Lets just tax at 100% and allow no deductions.  That should fix things.  All those taxes should create a bunch of jobs.  I know it would where I work. 
 
And with all that money, the entire GDP, we could pay off our debt as a nation in just a few years.
 
While we're at it, lets increase government spending...a bunch.  It seems to help the economy, so why not.  Lets just triple it, and in so doing we will obviously triple the job growth.
 
It's been a long time since I studied economics, and civics, so maybe I should embrace the new norms.
 
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I mean look how well China, the USSR, the entire Warsaw pact countries for that matter, North Korea, Cuba, well you get the point. How about we just go halvesese like Greece, Italy, Spain, France, England, or... never mind.  All these economies are in the dumper, as is ours. They gave up their freedom to get to the place they find themselves in. We still have the semblance of freedom, for the time being anyway, and you could argue we are in better shape economically.


So who is holding the pot? China, who coincidentally has embraced capitolism to get there. Be it a funky sort of capitalism enforced at bayonet point (not unlike the failed communism that was enforced at the point of a bayonet), it has raised the living standards of the country immensely.


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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2011, 04:35:46 PM »
America was at it's greatest, when the govt. wasn't trying to run business, and union's weren't trying to control govt. How things have changed. gypsyman
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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2011, 06:18:25 AM »
It has been demonstrated very clearly right here in my local area what kills jobs.  It is over regulation and the lack of welcoming companies that just happen to provide jobs.  And taxes are no small part of the formula.
 
It isn't always government that is the problem either.  Several new companies and some well established companies have tried to add fascilities, make improvements and start new industries.  In every single case, the local government has been cooperative, but the local environazis have stopped dead, or delayed indefinitely, every project that has been proposed.
 
One particular project proposed by one of the long established businesses wants to build a new boiler with the latest, greatest percipitators etc. and they have been stopped dead in their tracks by environmentalists who have no idea what they are doing.  The company merely wants to replace two of the older boilers which are far less efficient and much worse polluters.  The project would employ hundreds of construction workers and create a cleaner environment, but the project is on hold indefinitely and might never be done, because of loony environazis.
 
The same is true with a new company that has invested millions in land acquisition to build a new coal exporting fascility.  Again, the local government approved the project.  And once again the local environazis have all but killed the project.  They used the excuse that exporting the coal would eventually pollute the atmosphere; the coal was slated to be exported to China.  The Chinese are going to burn coal anyway, but at least this project would help balance the trade deficit.
 
The environmentalists were also up in arms because of concern that long coal trains would be bringing the evil substance into our area.  What these idiots don't seem to understand is that there already is a 110 car coal train that passes right through the county every day on its way north to Canada where the coal is exported to China.  So no new jobs for this area.  Oh, unless they are green.
 
On the subject of "green jobs:"  This area is one of the hot spots for installing wind generators (windmill electric generators) and of course all of those units are built in China.  Anyway, after millions have been invested in these dubious units, they often sit idle, because there is an over abundance of hydro power available.  If the water isn't used to generate electricity at the long established dams, the water has to be released over the spillways.  So now the outfits who stupidly invested in Chinese windmills want the hydropower companies to subsidize them (pay them while their windmills sit idle).  The net result is that our power rates have been raised twice in the past year.
 
How anyone can believe that raising taxes is a stimulant to create investment and new jobs is just as inane as the ridiculous idea that environazis do the same.
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2011, 06:30:29 AM »
Quote from McGooch:
"On the subject of "green jobs:"  This area is one of the hot spots for installing wind generators (windmill electric generators) and of course all of those units are built in China."


Most of the wind units used in Kansas are all manufactured here, including the blades, tower and main unit (whatever it is called what the prop attaches to. Siemens company build the main unit in Hutchinson, KS. This is a German company however. Some other related stuff is built in Newton which is north of Wichita. This is really employing quite a few people in this area. They cannot get enough techs that assemble and maintain the towers/units. A couple community colleges here have training programs. One of our newest and biggest wind farm's manager is only 26 years old. Good paying work.
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2011, 11:53:34 PM »
Magooch: 
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How anyone can believe that raising taxes is a stimulant to create investment and new jobs is just as inane as the ridiculous idea that environazis do the same.

 
Still equating environmentalist with nazis I see. ... ::)   Still believing the corponazies will always operate cleanly and protect our environment I see... ::)   In this day and age one would be an absolute fool to not watchdog corponazies and industry regarding the environment...too long a history of crapping things up.
 
Still ignoring economic history, too. Greatest development and job creation was during period of highest corpo and personal taxes....had to work to make money....not sit on it.
 
Want to know what creates jobs....DEMAND!!  With no middle class there is no large demand for stuff. When the all the wealth is consolidated in too few hands there is no middle class, duh! You have the opposite of a social-marxist state actually. When tax laws permit making money from financials instead of production there is no jobs created--just more wealth accumulation..a fascist neo-Bolshevik state. When making money from financials is taxed less then making money from real work/production...we have a Bankster's Tyranny and its all down hill from there--wittness the demise of democracy in America and the Grand Theft the last few years while waging war against the American worker and middle class....just ask Tom Jefferson. Problem is the middle class is too dumbed down listening to crazy Demopublican economics to get it.
 
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I have to agree on middle class demand. India and China were not a market opportunity till those people had disposable income.


However Taking money out of one end of the pool and pouring it into the other does not help at all. It is as if you thought that money collected for tax would otherwise not be used and would simply evaporate. What makes you think this government of ours knows better what to do with MY money than I do? There are certainly infrastructure projects that must be done, and government is unfortunately the only entity able to get this done. I won't believe for one minute however that it is getting done in the most efficient manner though. Corruption can not be stopped, but by God we can limit the opportunity.
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2011, 12:27:08 AM »
  The idea of "taxing our way to prosperity" has been proven wrong for decades... just as the leftist idea of "regulating to prosperity" is a moribund notion.
    When a manufacturer decides to relocate, the manufacturer looks for certain necessary prerequisites, among which are often, water in quantity, power, infrastructure and water transportation routes for very heavy shipping and an available skilled work force.
  the fact is, the Great Lakes states have had all these prerequisites, some of which other states cannot duplicate no matter how they try.
  Yet, for decades now, industry has been moving from the Great Lakes states toward the sun belt, why should that be so surprising?  There is a very SIMPLE ANSWER... the northern liberal establishment PUNISHES any business which dares to attempt to start operating in their domain.
   Here in the "People's Republik of New York", despite being among the highest taxed states (if not the highest)..we are being warned of a new round of tax increases, epecially on businesses and of course, regulations will continue to mount...
 
     Well DUH !!!
  A) What is that going to tell potential entrepreneurs concerning relocation to NY ? 
  B) What is that going to tell businesses already operating here, concerning whether they will stay, go or close their doors ?
 
    I think we can answer the question for ourselves; we have been observing the results for at least 40 years.
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2011, 03:50:52 AM »
TM7, You might want to brush up on your fuzzy math.  Governor Walker took the oath of office in Jan. 2011, to date that is roughly 10 months, not two years.
 
Because these unionized community agitators candidates that LOST the election in 2010 and again in 2011 we are going to be in a perpetual election cycle cause the majority(at this time) have rejected their ideas. Sadly thanks to them they have pushed my state closer to the point where violence will probably be the only way that this gets settled(according to them).
 



Ok thank you. I was thinking in 2 years the the unemployment stats will level out or decline as the permanently unemployed will no longer be in the stat!!... ;) ;) ;)
 
Swampthing...if you want to create jobs you have create a tax system that promotes investment in consumerism and industry,,,,not a system that encourages financial investments (globally) and money from nothing made on money. Just blindly cutting taxes for the wealthy money class does little but promote more job loss, wealth disparities/accumulation, and insures ultimate loss of democracy. With the course we set on, America will be little more than a Banana Republic in 20 years....won't even be worth it to go to a voting booth.
 
 
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TM7,

We have been over this many times before, and it is beginning to sound like a broken record.   The tax code does require reformation, at all levels.  If you bother to understand the news, the GOP is pushing to get tax rates lowered across the board for individuals and corporations.    Historically, when people have extra money, they either spend it or invest it.   History has proven this economic model, so do not bother with any liberal-speak to the contrary.   

There is one aspect of the tax reform debate that the Demonrats will not even consider -- a national sales tax.   Currently, there is none.  Also, 47% of American households pay no taxes to the Feds.   The remaining 53% pays for the nation as a whole, and the top 5% pays for approximately 44% of the total tax burden.   How about making the parasites and leeches pay "their fair share"?   Are you on the record for that, yes or no?

As for the environmentalists, they are very much like Nazis.      They have obstructed American energy policy for 34 years.  They have blocked the licensure of 14 nuclear  plants [that I know of], obstructed the approval of the Keystone XL pipeline, obstructed the resumption of safe oil drilling in the Gulf, and blocked the licensure of 3 new hydroelectric plants [again, that I know of].      The eco-fascists have also put 5,00 California farmers in the unemployment line with that stupid stinking smelt.
Environmentalism is the worst economic tragedy to hit this nation since the Great Depression.

ST762
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2011, 04:07:27 AM »
  TM says;
  "  IG...tax code is set up that that business are encouraged to relocate...called depreciation of capital assets. The US of A could easily adopt a corpo tax along the lines of PRChina..that might work. Nobody is talking about polemicly impoverishing the elite, but the impoverishment of the middle class must stop, and the log jam of capital accumulation needs to be broken up. Military spending/imperialism alone won't do it".
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   TM;  they can apply all the convoluted rhetoric they want to and all the twisted reasoning they can muster up...but it all goes to the bottom line.
  really, we should quit worrying and envying ourselves to death over the rich guy..they exist and always have existed even in the glory days of the old Soviet Union. Instead, we should concentrate on freeing up entreprenueeuhip and free enterprise, quit throwing roadblocks in the way (as socialists and 'greenies' do)  and everyone will be better off.
  Many people seem to think there is a finite amount of wealth and it is not being divided correctly. To the contrary, there is much room for an expanding economy..where a "rising tide lifts ALL boats".
  Of course that truth, being promoted, would not aid Obama in his efforts to promote envy and class warfare..
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2011, 04:22:17 AM »
TM7,

I will give limited agreement on the nuclear energy issue, and I believe that comes from the lack of an economy of scale.   Only a small percentage of our energy production comes from nuclear power.   I believe that we should expand our nuclear facilities while drawing down coal fired plants [to be resumed with the newer CO2 reclamation technologies installed].   Nuclear energy is much cleaner than coal fired plants.  Also, you are not left with a toxic slurry of coal byproducts.    Spent nuclear fuel rods are much easier for handling and storage.

I think that the oil pipeline should come through to supply our oil needs.    There is enough oil and natural gas in the USA, Canada and Mexico to provide this nation enough energy for nearly 300 years, if not more.   

As for solar and wind technology, those are sufficient for the regions where it is feasible, such as the southeastern and southwestern United States, but it should be done in such a way that houses become power plants.  There are currently companies that manufacture the necessary components to install solar and wind components in residential settings.    If the governemtn must be involved, then it should be in the capacity of making loans to established, solvent companies for expanded manufacture, sales and distribution, not because you need a campaign contribution slush fund [read Solyndra].

By the way, you never did answer the question on making the 47% pay their fair share.....yes or no?

ST762
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Re: Hey Gov. Scott Walker, hows it that working for ya?
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2011, 11:38:34 AM »
  I noticed it is from THE CAP TIMES...your progressive voice.  Then I noticed all the negative chatter in the right hand  column..so I took it for what it's worth.
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Typical Ironglow response ...knock the 'source' of the report to justify dissonance...... ;)
 
 
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You can not have it both ways.  Either the media has a bias or it does not.
The liberals slam Fox for being too far right and out of touch and then get mad when the center sees MSNBC, The NY times and all the others as propaganda disprusal for the left.  The Idea of journalism is to inform and allow the reader, watcher to form an opinion on facts.  The left wing media does not inform it is there to sway opinion and change out comes and printing fiction and not informing.  That is not a jouralist.  It is an opertive.