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Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« on: December 09, 2011, 12:18:31 AM »
  An interesting situation   http://jalopnik.com/5858690/chevy-volt-crash-test-fire-explodes-into-federal-investigation
 
        Remember a few months ago when some people were involved in hitting the accelerator instead of the brake and smashing things and somebody thought they would sue Toyota..hoping for the big payoff ?  Others saw dollar signs..one guy even having the state police in CA chasing along side him for miles in his quest...
   After much examination and testing these complaints were proven to be bogus, but that didn't stop the mainstream media from blowing the false reports out of proportion.
   Now we have a genuine case of a faulty product emanating from "Government Motors" and we are not kept very well abreast of the information..Hmmmmm ?
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 01:45:42 AM »
there either bought by hypocrits or by stupid people. the hyocrits will run around wanting everone to see how green they are buy not burning fossil fuel but wont let on that every time the charge those things that a power plant somewhere is burning fossil fuel to produce that electricity. The stupid people are ones that buy them and dont even realize this. Its going to cost more to run it for a 100 miles on electricity then it would on gas, cost alot more to buy, and at about 10k to replace the batterys in 10 years so you have to add a 1000 bucks a year onto what it cost to run. Then for you green people we have to then dispose of those old batterys. So overall it causes just as much polution, cost alot more to buy and cost more per mile to use. When can I sign up for one ;)
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2011, 03:29:49 AM »
The funny thing is, with this car they have combined huge batteries that store large amounts of energy and then some idiot comes along with a complaint that the thing blows up or catches fire when wrecked.  Duh!  This isn't a fault but a fact.  What do people think is going to happen in such a situation?  I guess nobody remembers the Ford Pinto or the Chevy trucks with the blowup gas tanks.   ::)

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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2011, 12:10:06 PM »
Not to fear nobody is buying the Volt except bamas buddies GE. The testing lab couldn't get those old Chevy trucks to blowup so they put fusies in the tank so they would- they got caught. Every moring going to work I would get behind this Prius going 35mph so I would kick my diesel truck down pass and smoke him out. Thats what I think of green!
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2011, 03:35:50 PM »
I pass every prius I can. Never seen a volt on the road, likely wont up here in NY where its COLD and snowy in the winter.

My Subaru Impreza 2.5i gets only 28mpg max, but it will run 200k without much issue, and the battery will cost $70-90 to replace, not thousands. AWD is sure amazing in the winter, none of these "green" cars have it...

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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2011, 02:06:36 AM »
  My opinion is that the Volt is government flop any way. If the fed. has to support it and it can not stand on it's own two feet it isn't worth doing.  let it die!!!!
 
  That being said,Your photo stinks. The sled and building are black and white, the car is pasted in.

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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2012, 12:31:42 AM »
  My opinion is that the Volt is government flop any way. If the fed. has to support it and it can not stand on it's own two feet it isn't worth doing.  let it die!!!!
 
  That being said,Your photo stinks. The sled and building are black and white, the car is pasted in.
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   Bingo;  Just FYI...that's not my photo, I don't have any idea who snapped it.
 
      Worth noting though, the lithium battery company Obama invested many millions of our dollars in has just gone belly up ! This after manufacturing only enough batteries to supply an Elkhart electric car company..which built just 17 units before it too..went belly up !
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2012, 01:18:13 AM »
lithium battries are dangerous I had a flash lite burn , we have had several tool battries catch fire while either charging or in the tool. Wonder how many deaths will occure before they are removed from the market ?
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2012, 12:01:14 AM »
most of the problems with litium are due to the chargers. they require a charger that will shut off when the charge is complete. Problem is to save money alot of the chargers arent set up that way. Overcharging them is a big no no. Personally i love my lithium batter rechargable power tools. There half the weight of a comparable tool and hold a charge much better. Same goes for about everything i use batterys for. I buy rechargable litium batterys for about everything anymore. I have them in d c aa aaa and 9v and even the 123 batteries. I bought a good charger though that does shut down when there charged so i dont have to worry about one of them lighting up while im sleeping at night. I even have a solar panel that will run the charger and have enough of them that ill probably never need to buy another battery for the rest of my life. It will also keep me in batterys if a shtf senerio ever happens.
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2012, 03:27:18 AM »
There's a lot not to like about electric cars. The Cobalt used to make the batteries has killed quite a few in Africa but nobody mentions the conditions that are killing these people who mine the stuff.
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/World_News_3/The_exploitation_of_Africa_s_land_and_people_5661.shtml


This country does not have the infrastructure to support an all electric car of any consequence. Ask the folks in Kalifornia about energy shortages. We are about 20 years behind in building electric generation stations already, adding more demand is not the answer. Texas is the leader in the US for wind generation electricity. Actually Texas has more than all of the other States combined and are building them at the rate of 2 per day. But we are still short of making enough.


The Volt will most likely disappear as a blip in automotive history. Remember the GM EV-1? They leased almost 1800 units mostly in Kalifornia and was an all electric car- no fuel engine at all. Range was about 80 miles between charges. The folks that had them loved them but GM only leased the cars, none were ever sold. The car was simple in design using a lead acid battery and an amplifier like the one you'd find in a stereo system only of magnum caliber. All EV-1's were picked up from their lease holders, some at Sheriffs gunpoint, and destroyed.


Another major issue with any hybrid or electric car- you may die in a simple wreck. Most fire departments or rescue units have standing orders not to touch the car until the electrical system has been disabled. There have already been several responders injured from being nearly electrocuted by these "safe" cars. The early Prius had the disconnect in the rear interior panel of the car. Kinda worthless if the car was rearended. And there's still a possibility that the car is electrified due to a cut cable grounded against the frame.


AS with any of the Gov't claims of wanting more MPGs per vehicle unit sold, it's all political folks. It's like anything else, follow the money. The Gov't gets trillions from oil companies from taxes, rights, etc. they aren't about to kill the cash cow. The technology is already out there for us to be 100% energy independent and that the cars and trucks we drive are 100% clean air exhaust. If you have the want, research the Dr Paul engine. A very simple headless design with compression ratios in the thousands. Thermal Dynamics has known that the more you compress a fuel the more you can get out of it. These engines are getting right at 80% efficiency from a gallon of fuel you can make at home from your biogarbage. Todays best engines are just breaking 30% efficiency. But you can't have this technology especially since a 900 HP single cylinder engine only burns about 5 gallons in an 8 hour period. It would cost the morons in DC a ton of tax dollars and the lobbyist in DC that are well paid by the oil companies certainly won't let you have it. There is one unit, a 3 cylinder unit, making biodiesel in Kalifornia from garbage and the engine is 100% breathable exhaust.  Here's part one of the engine on YouTube. The engine is about the size of a small suitcase making 900HP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=IL&feature=related&hl=en&v=Fz8Z9geyOkk

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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2012, 05:39:45 AM »
Headless designs have been around for a long time.  I watched all 5 parts of the Youtube video series posted and most of it sounded good but I'm always a skeptic of a CEO promoting a product.  If he would stick his engine in a simple rail-buggy and get some real numbers of effiency and longivity perhaps I would get excited.  You gotta make rubber meet the road, a running engine on a stand doesn't prove anything.
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2012, 01:23:50 PM »
As far as engine life, it's apparently going to be long. The unit in Kalifornia has been running 24/7 since December 15, 2005. It makes 2500 HP as configured. But there is one major issue with these engines, you can't hook up a driveshaft like you have in a car or truck. They have 4 crankshafts after all. These units work great though as a diesel/electric or diesel/ hydraulic unit. The Germans now have one that they claim will hit 60% efficiency and expect it to be on the road for sale by 2015. MPG is over 100 from the tidbits of info I have one it. It will be a zero emissions engine. The Germans use a much higher ring pack height so compression ratios are not near that of the Dr Paul engine. But it should get interesting if they actually put one on the road. Makes ya wonder what will become of Mobil, Chevron, and others not to mention the Arab countries would be broke pretty quick. There's a lot of politics concerning oil and fuels.

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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2012, 02:34:19 AM »
Could all be true..but I recall 50 years ago, hearing about a "Fish carburetor" which gave any car 100 mpg.. ;)   Guess they will just have to "show me"...and maybe they will.  However, the Obamanites are going about it all wrong by trying to force unproven designs upon the American people...and wasting all told, many billion$ in the process.
  The proper process is to "show me"...if it works well and gives 100 mpg, the govt won't have to pay people to buy them.  Private research and industry can do that without throwing money grubbed from taxpayers at the job.
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2012, 02:21:54 PM »
Since we are talking about Lithium batterys, I'll toss this in.  Not related to automobiles.
I have seven smoke detectors in my house, which has a workshop on the bottom floor and two living floors above.  One of my smoke detectors is in a cathederal ceiling and very difficult to reach.  A few years ago the battery failed and I put a Lithium 9V battery in the detector.  The battery is supposed to last for seven years.  About a year later a battery in my workshop failed, and since all the detectors are wired together, it caused a commotion inside the upper floors.  I decided then that I would replace all the 9V batteries with the more expensive Lithium models.  As I changed them out, I put a piece of masking tape on each battery with the date I installed it.  Guess what.  A few months later a battery failed.  I checked the date and it had just been installed.  I had an extra Lithium battery so I put it in and dated it as well.  It's been over a year now and no failures.
I wonder why the one battery failed prematurely?  Quality control?  They were packed two to a pack, so the companion battery is working just fine.
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2012, 01:23:09 AM »
charles im sure its like everything else. You get a dud once in a while with about any product. If i had to guess my guess was when they charged that battery they may have overcharged it and cooked it. Littium batterys are very sensitive to overcharging.
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2012, 09:43:27 AM »
I expect batteries to change so much in our lifetimes that we may not even recognize a battery of the future if we could see it today.  Forty years ago an automobile battery lasted me about 40,000 miles.  A break job lasted about that long also,  Fan belt broke in two years and radiator hoses and heater hoses were forever bursting.  Water pumps gave out each time new antifreeze was installed.  Now hoses and fluids now last the lifetime of the car.  Batteries go over 100K.  Tires are good for five times as long.  Oil changes can go 15,000 with synthetics.  Sparkplugs go 100K.  Lot's of progress out there in the international auto community.  I think we lag in the US, but so has our domestic manufacturing.

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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2012, 04:28:47 PM »
The funny thing is, with this car they have combined huge batteries that store large amounts of energy and then some idiot comes along with a complaint that the thing blows up or catches fire when wrecked.  Duh!  This isn't a fault but a fact.  What do people think is going to happen in such a situation?  I guess nobody remembers the Ford Pinto or the Chevy trucks with the blowup gas tanks.   ::)

Well fortunately for those of us with the "blowup" Chevy trucks, all you have to do is avoid NBC News, and avoid placing incendiary devices near the fuel tank, and the risk is considerably reduced. I can't speak for the Pinto, however.

I'm pretty sure that electric will end up the dominant power source for cars and trucks, eventually. Unfortunately, political and other annoying sources of pressure are forcing the technology before its time. This happens with many well-meaning techs, such as tractor-trailer antilock brakes back in the '70s. After more than a few deaths, logic prevailed and the requirement was shelved for a few more years. It is notable, however, that police officers were having problems with the "new" brakes in the '90s when the requirement was re-introduced.

In a free market, new tech will prevail if/when the consumers decide it's worth paying for. (and no... this is NOT a free market economy)

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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2012, 01:29:14 AM »
If i had to speculate id bet about 95 percent of this blow up crap with the volts comes from dirty players in the oil industry that just dont want to see electric cars work out. It doesnt take much to scare the typical yuppie that rides around with a helmet on riding a bicycle and eats tofou. those are the typical market for cars like this and about all it takes to scare someone like that is the treat of a hangnail or a republican president ;)  One little trumped up fire with one of those cars and they all go running back to the toyota prius dealer.
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2012, 04:55:05 AM »
  On the news this morning; Chevy Volts are 'dead ducks'..at least for a while !  Just another Solyndra, I guess .   :'(
 
  Probably B. Hussein wonders why folks won't just jump up and do as he says. ..But he can take heart, there are still a few who, if he says...        "you, s_ _ t"...will squat and ask.........."how much and what color ?"
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2012, 06:03:28 AM »
Chevy Volt = Ford Edsel
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2012, 06:34:19 AM »
Chevy Volt = Ford Edsel
I'll speculate you have no first-hand experience with either... ?
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2012, 09:48:50 AM »
Both met with resistance in the market  ;)
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2012, 12:13:24 PM »
  There is no excuse for the Chevy Volt...  Both Toyota and Honda among others, are already producing more efficent cars of the type.... and Ford has one in the works, without govt interference.  For this reason alone, it will likely be a much better product than the Volt !
 
  Ye Gads !   They are already paying customers $7,000 to buy them..and still they are flopping like a dead woodchuck !
 
 
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2012, 12:56:47 PM »
 They are so popular they are slowing production and laying off people. They said they will rehire when the public demand picks back up ;D    I think those employees would be better off looking for a new job. ;)
 
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Re: Chevy Volts are blowing up...
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2012, 02:13:46 PM »
They are so popular they are slowing production and laying off people. They said they will rehire when the public demand picks back up ;D    I think those employees would be better off looking for a new job. ;)
 
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  They won't have to look for a new job..they belong to the unions..Obama's protected class.  They will probably just spend the days in a "rubber room"..doing crosswords or playng cards.  That's what the incompetent, union teachers in NY City do...
 
  Even the NY Slimes admits that:
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