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Offline Dogmann

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TC Hawken - Renegade
« on: December 09, 2011, 06:11:41 AM »
What is the differance between the TC Hawken and the Renegade?

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Re: TC Hawken - Renegade
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 06:17:33 AM »
the furniture, typically today what passes for a Hawken is a rifle (or pistol) with Brass furniture.



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Re: TC Hawken - Renegade
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2011, 07:49:38 AM »
In both with standard configs, the biggest differences between them are the stock design, grade of wood, furniture, barrel length/twist and calibers offered.
With the Renegade Hunter, single verses double triggers and guard design.
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Re: TC Hawken - Renegade
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2011, 08:02:59 AM »
all renegade models have 26in bbls 1in across the flats. hawkens have 28in bbls 15/16ths across the flats except for 54cal which is 1in. also, 32in roundball twist bbls were available at times for the hawken. don't know if they were for the renegade or not.
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Re: TC Hawken - Renegade
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2011, 09:39:34 AM »
bubba50 is spot on for the standard configs for these models. And they did have RB barrels (1:66 button) for the Hawken and Renegade as he said.   Without digging my data out of storage... 32" sounds right for the Hawken, but from memory only I'm not sure if the Renegade RB barrels were 28" or 30".   TC used standard, cut or button R/H twists - sometimes all three in same caliber.   For a time QLA barrels were standard on Hawkens and Renegades (as well as on the Big Bore).   There were limited run variations as well.   One example is the Cleland Hawken 31" 40 cal 1:48 only offered for a short time.   
 
So the Hawkens saw standard production of 40, 45, 50 & 54 calibers in 1:48 & 1:66 twists... the Renegade 50, 54, 56 (and a FR custom 58) in 1:38, 1:48, 1:66 and the smooth bore 56.   I also know of one Hawken 36 that did came out of TC's shop long ago, but it was probably a prototype as they never saw production.
 
The traditional TC's are a tangled web of sorts, but some of us who have been using them from their start have been putting it back together fairly well over the years.  The exception is serial numbers by year, and that is still mostly speculation and a best guess range thing (and always will be as who knows how long one sat on a shelf before it was first sold).  There is still a lot yet to be discovered and to try to confirm.   TC could not help much even if they wanted to with the pre fire traditional's, and memory alone is certainly not a confirmation.    Good example of memory is folks who insist they got their TC "whatever" years before TC offered them (or even before TC itself existed), so they obviously can't produce a dated receipt to prove it, and some of them still won't accept the fact that their memory is wrong.    A common quandary with the old muzzleloaders it seems... I ran into the same putting together a CVA traditional data base.
 
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Re: TC Hawken - Renegade
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2011, 11:52:42 AM »
The T/C Custom Shop at Fox Ridge offered the Hawken in.58 caliber,in both flint, and percussion