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http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2011/12/08/alabama-immigration-law-may-get-second-look-after-big-business-back-backlash


The above is even a Fox report. If you do a google search there is much more related news on how the law is hurting the state. This is what knee jerk legislation will get you.
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No it's what happens when you've got jerks for judges and jerk liberal politicians who favor illegal invaders to destroy our society and country.
 
By the way, the link doesn't work.
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Don't know why the link is not working but here is the content:


Faced with backlash over the detainment of two foreign auto employees, two architects of Alabama’s tough immigration law say they are having second thoughts about the law.
The Republican attorney general is calling for some of the strictest parts of it to be repealed. Some Republican lawmakers say they now want to make changes in the law that was pushed quickly through the legislature.
Gov. Robert Bentley, who signed the law, said he's contacting foreign executives to tell them they and their companies are still welcome in Alabama. The moves comes following backlash from big business after the embarrassing traffic stops of two foreign employees tied to the state's prized Honda and Mercedes plants.
"We are not anti-foreign companies. We are very pro-foreign companies," he said.
Luther Strange, the attorney general who's defending the law in court, this week recommended repealing sections that make it a crime for an undocumented immigrant to fail to carry registration documents and that require public schools to collect information on the immigration status of students. Both sections have been put on hold temporarily by a federal court.
Two foreign workers for Honda and Mercedes were recently stopped by police for failing to carry proof of legal residency. The cases were quickly dropped, but not without lots of international attention that Alabama officials didn't want.
One of the groups challenging the law in court said the auto workers' cases turned public opinion.
"Suddenly the reality of what the state has done hit people in the face," said Richard Cohen, president of the Southern Poverty Law Center.

We are not anti-foreign companies. We are very pro-foreign companies
- Gov. Robert Bentley
Before 2011, Republicans tried repeatedly to pass an immigration law but were always stopped by the dominant Democrats. That changed when Alabama voters elected a Republican legislative super majority — the first since Reconstruction. The result was a law described by critics and supporters as the toughest and most comprehensive in the nation.
It requires a check of legal residency when conducting everyday transactions such as buying a car license, enrolling a child in school, getting a job or renewing a business license. After the U.S. Justice Department and other groups challenged the law, the federal courts put some portions on hold, but major provisions took effect in late September.
Alabama suddenly found itself at the center of the nation's immigration debate, ahead of other states with tough laws, including Arizona, Georgia and South Carolina.
Within Alabama, much of the debate is within the business community that helped fund Republicans' new strength.
The Birmingham Business Alliance this week called for revisions in the law, expressing worry that it's tainting Alabama's image around the world. The group also said complying with the law is a burden for businesses and local governments, but did not offer specific changes.
James T. McManus, chairman of the Alliance and CEO of one of the state's largest businesses, the Energen Corp., said revisions "are needed to ensure that momentum remains strong in our competitive economic development efforts."
In Thomasville, a town of 4,700 about 80 miles southwest of Montgomery, Mayor Sheldon Day worries about recruiting industries.
He said about 25 foreign companies have visited the town to consider possible plant sites since Thomasville recruited a Canadian steel company in July 2010.
"Up until a few months ago, nobody raised the immigration issue," he said. But in the last few months, it's been brought up regularly. Day suspects competing states are portraying Alabama as hostile to foreigners even though he says that is not the truth. Based on the questions he gets from industrial prospects, he also believes competing states are recounting stories from Alabama's civil rights past.
"It's bringing back old images from 40 or 50 year ago," he said.
The governor says he's declined many national TV interviews about the law because he doesn't want to fuel comparisons with what he sees as Alabama's long gone past. "It's going to take us a long time to outlive those stereotypes that are out there among people that Alabama is living in the '50s and '60s," Bentley said.
The Republican sponsors of the immigration legislation promoted it as a jobs bill that would run off undocumented immigrants and open up employment for legal residents. That was an easy political sale in a state suffering from nearly 10 percent unemployment. Even some Democrats voted for the law.
Since the law took effect, Alabama's unemployment rate has dropped a half percentage point. Economists and state officials who compile the statistics say it's too early to say whether to credit the immigration law.
But one of the sponsors, Republican Sen. Scott Beason of Gardendale, said neighboring states without a similar law haven't seen the same drop. "There is nothing else to attribute it to," he said.
If there has been any damage, he said it's the fault of inaccurate portrayals in the news media. He said the media ought to be reporting: "This law establishes a safer, more secure environment for people to come here and invest their money."
Republican House Speaker Mike Hubbard of Auburn said no industrial recruiters have complained to him about the law, and he will only support "tweaks" that make it more effective without weakening it.
Some Democratic Party leaders have called for repeal, but the party is now so weak in Alabama that the real debate is among Republicans.
The governor says the law is "very complicated" and needs to be simplified. He hasn't recommended any specifics, but he says Alabama won't abandon its goal of ensuring that only legal residents get jobs.
Strange, the attorney general, says his recommended changes "don't weaken the law, they just make it easier to defend."
Beason, however, said Strange's proposals would weaken the law by repealing two sections that allow private citizens to sue state and local officials to enforce it. Beason said that's needed because some officials are already saying they won't follow the law.
Other Republicans say the law is causing unnecessary problems for legal residents. Senate Republican Whip Gerald Dial of Lineville said legislators hear complaints from people about digging out documents to prove their legal residency when renewing professional licenses and buying car tags.
"I made some mistakes in voting for this bill, and I want to step up and fix them," he said.

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Re: Alabama's anti-criminal law costing the state millions and other problems
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2011, 12:30:52 PM »
HEH, LATINO fox news should be a clue. Two FOREIGN workers for Honda and Mercedes were recently stopped by police for failing to carry proof of legal residency.
 
 
 
The key word here is as usual FOREIGNERS breaking the law. They are REQUIRED to have proper documentation on their person, which they did not do. Disobeying our laws seems to be ok with the libby crowd. They knew they were required to carry proper identification, they chose to ignore that. If we got stopped in mexico you can bet we better have our papers.
The law deals with CRIMINALS,  NOT immigrants. People here by their own choice knowingly breaking American law, that makes them CRIMINALS, not immigrants.
The State has probably SAVED millions in dr and hospitol bills, welfare, foodstamps, schooling, arresting and housing them, and the many other freebies they came here for, not to mention the crime rate probably dropped,  The state should apologize to NOBODY, the ones detained refused to obey our law, seems pretty simple to me. Call em what they are, illegals, criminals, invaders, trespassers, because they sure aren't immigrants. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
 
 
 
 
 
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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Quote from Powderman:
"The State has probably SAVED millions in dr and hospitol bills, welfare, foodstamps, schooling, arresting and housing them, and the many other freebies they came here for, not to mention the crime rate probably dropped, "


We already have proof that the law is costing money now lets see the stats that show the savings.
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Quote from Powderman:
"The State has probably SAVED millions in dr and hospitol bills, welfare, foodstamps, schooling, arresting and housing them, and the many other freebies they came here for, not to mention the crime rate probably dropped, "


We already have proof that the law is costing money now lets see the stats that show the savings.
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Guzzijohn,

Your statement is not true.....we do not have proof.   You cite only one article.    The difference between your statement and powderman's is that PMan expressed an opinion ["probably"], whereas you assert definitiveness.     Let's see your ironclad evidence.

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"Your statement is not true.....we do not have proof.   You cite only one article.    The difference between your statement and powderman's is that PMan expressed an opinion ["probably"], whereas you assert definitiveness.     Let's see your ironclad evidence."

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The article I posted show evidence. Otherwise just google "Alabama anti-immigration law" there are a number of sources there.
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guzzi. I read your article and saw no proof, only speculation by some whiny libs. The foreigners broke the law and got caught, pretty simple to understand that. Alabama did nothing wrong and certainly has nothing to appologize for, the foreigners should be the ones appologizing for their refusal to obey the law. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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John,
The answer is Legal vs Illegal.
Either our laws mean something or they do not.
Why do we have a congress makinging new laws if we are not going to enforce the old ones?  If the old ones are no longer relevant or popular than why are we not eliminating them and writting new ones to take their place?
I just got a parking ticket in SF, a santuary city and I am going to argue that, the city is ignoring California and federal laws it thinks are not just, I think paying for parking on a public street my tax dollars already paid for is unjust!  Either laws have to be obayed or they do not there is not a we like this law or we want ot follow that law.  It is an all or nothing!
If you want to have cheap labor, then write a bill making workers from other countries legal.  Untill then it is ILLEGAL!
 

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When you quote the Southern Poverty Law Center's articles, the red flags automatically go up with Constitutionally minded Conservatives.
The SPLC is the most Racist, UN-American Org. the Liberal Socialists have working for them in this country.

They have only one goal and that is to destroy the Constitution Things have to get worse before they can start to get better. Believe it or not, we haven't reached the bottom yet. Running the illegals out of Alabama, is a good thing, but the short term effects can be negative.People just need to stick to their gun's and wait for things to swing to the positive.

Since the war in Iraq is ending, and troops will be coming home after being let go by Uncle, they will be needing jobs to come home to.
What better way to secure jobs for them, than by DE-porting illegals, and filling voids with deserving American Patriots?

Good for Alabama............Hang in there!!!!
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Alabama's anti-immigration law costing the state millions and other problems
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2011, 09:36:56 AM »
I have an issue with the title of this thread. As I understand it Alabama did not pass an "anti-immigration" law it passed a measure to deal effectively with ILLEGAL immigration.
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I have an issue with the title of this thread. As I understand it Alabama did not pass an "anti-immigration" law it passed a measure to deal effectively with ILLEGAL immigration.
The whole thing with the left is they mis label things and make it sound either good or sound evil.  The title makes it sound like the people of Alabama do not want any immagration into their state at all.  What they are doing is dealing with the illegal immagration of one group in particular that has no problems breaking multiple laws to get and stay here.
I lived in Southern California for a few years, Mexico would advertise for tourism, and would say things like the laws in your country are the same as ours, please no drugs, firearms, and no drinking and driving.  At the same time the government of Mexico was putting out pamphlets on how to break US laws and get across the boarder, how to get a job, how to apply for assistance, where to go for medical attention, and how to rent a place to live.
I found it odd that they want us to obey their laws but tell their citizens how to break our laws.

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The article I posted show evidence.

 
 
I read the article and saw NO evidence that the law is costing the state money.  In the text posted, there is not even any hint of cost.  In fact, it appears it might be saving some.
 
 
 
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Since the law took effect, Alabama's unemployment rate has dropped a half percentage point.
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Hunter, good post, I'm shocked.  :o :o
Kevin. Yes, the bill has to do with criminals, certainly not immigrants. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm