Author Topic: New rifle today (Read 1065 times)

bomtek44 · « **on:** January 15, 2004, 04:13:51 PM »

Bought a Disc Elite SS .50 cal. with black composite stock today. Made the mistake of visiting the store just before inventory. They must not have wanted to count this rifle this weekend. The discount and the $50 Knight rebate and I brought it home. Bore is excellent as are fit and finish. I have already polished the bore. Barrel is not completely floated, but I will range test it before getting out the dowel and sand paper. I will be putting a 3-9 Leupold on it.

I have read of great results some have had such as the .5 inch groups with 220 DC's in 40/50. I plan to try an assortment of streamlined bullets. Have any had better luck with 3f 777 or is 2f the choice?

Stan M. · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2004, 04:47:54 PM »

Good luck with your new rifle. All the Knights I 've ever been around have shot well.
As for the 777, I have had no problem shooting 120 gr. of 3F -777 powder in my Rem. 700 ML. Hodgdon claims that you get a little more velocity with the 3F verses the 2F.
Be cautious of the breech plug! Finger tight and use a good lube if you plan to shoot a lot while learning the rifle. I think some of the fellas have had some problems with stuck breech plugs. Check out some of the other posts on 777.
I have shot six or seven times at one sitting and the plug is TIGHT but not difficult to get out. I'm using T/C breech plug lube. I think the 777 generates more heat and the lube breaks down. I will probably try another type lube some of the others have mentioned.
Some have mentioned crud rings in the barrel and seating problems. I usually wet patch and dry patch clean between shots, while I'm at the range shoting for group accuracy. My theory is my first shot hunting is with a clean barrel so I test with a clean barrel. It's time consuming.
I have had no problems with the crust ring.
I like 777-3F so far! Good luck and have fun!
Stan

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2004, 04:53:40 PM »

I think you'll love it-- its the most accurate .50 caliber ML I've tested. Chuck Hill just picked up a .45 Knight Elite-- it is the most accurate .45 he's tried.

As far as I'm concerned, the Knight Elite is the best Knight made today.

bomtek44 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2004, 05:00:43 PM »

Stan,

Been at it a while. Started with my T/C Hawken in 1980. I also have a very nice Remington 700MLS I have used since Dec. '97. It shoots the Knight 260 lead sabots well (1.5 inches) over 90 grain volume of 2f 777. Last weekend I fired a ten shot group of 1.5 inches using the 250 grain Shockwave and 100 grains of 2f 777. Didn't swab between all shots either.

My 12 year old son has been going hunting with me since age 6. I shortened the stock of one of my Rem. 700's in .243 last year ( he is small for his age) and he has killed 7 deer and one gobbler with no misses or lost animals. Remington makes a youth stock for the MLS and my plan is to get one and set him up with it. If the Disc doesn't do what I want it to, I will keep the MLS for DAD and try a Wolverine youth for my son.

Thanks.

bomtek44 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2004, 05:05:41 PM »

Randy,

I know. I read and reread your review! You can call Knight and collect your royalties! Seriously, I am looking for more range, since some of my hunting property has shots which present themselves at the outer edge of effective range. I seriously hope this gun does with the DC 220 40/50 and 100-110 grains 777 what your Elite has done.

Thanks

bomtek44 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2004, 05:11:12 PM »

Stan,

I forgot to ask you what load or loads you have found to perform well in your Remington? I have never converted from #11's and see no reason to with the excellent results obtained with RWS caps.

Thanks.

Stan M. · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2004, 05:15:26 PM »

Your experience sounds a lot like mine. My 700 is not very picky about what it likes and doesn't like. I use the Barnes MZ (very accurate) but I'm always experimenting. Even the low budget Knights seem to shoot well.
Good luck

Stan M. · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2004, 05:33:57 PM »

Bomtek,
I converted to shotgun primers. Always used the RWS also with no problem. By a new tin each hunting season. I'm piculiar about things like that. I did have a miss fire. Always take the bolt apart and clean!!! They will rust on the blued model like mine. I could have thrown the rifle at that buck and hit him he within 20yds. First deer with brand new rifle, Live and Learn. I killed him three times before he snorted and ran off.
Mine shot Knight 260 lead well and the 250 and 300 grain Barnes MZ well. Barnes are devastating! Changed when VA law changed from lead only.
Saw really no difference working up from 100gr. of powder to 120gr. of powder. So I hunt with 120 gr. load. Saw no difference in Pyrodex select and fffg 777 as far as groups size. I get about and 1 " average group.
See ya good night
Stan

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2004, 06:16:31 PM »

Quote from: bomtek44

DC 220 40/50 and 100-110 grains 777 what your Elite has done.

Thanks

105 grains of T 7 FFg was the limit with the 40 /220s for me, while still keeping 3/4" groups.

bomtek44 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2004, 04:53:01 AM »

Stan,

Yep, the Rem. is one that needs attention to detail on cleaning. I disassemble the bolt every day it is shot. Mine has never failed to fire and has accounted for 31 deer, longest shot at 180 yards. My stock has been foam injected, and I glassed the action and bedded a pressure pad in the forearm.

Randy, thanks for the info. I have 200 Shockwaves, 220 DCs, 260 DCs, and 250 Shockwaves to try. Also will shoot some Knight 260's and the 348 Aerotips. A friend tried these in his Disc Extreme (348s) and they went easily into less than an inch. He was using Cleanshot pellets. I didn't have my Chrono. that day but I'm sure they were a lot slower than 100 grains of 2f 777. Did you go above 100 grains with the 348 in the Elite and get accuracy and do you recall your velocity with 100 grains?

Thanks.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2004, 06:00:18 AM »

The Elite here does well with the 348 and 405 gr. Powerbelts. No, I've not gone above 100 grains of T7 loose FFg with them-- I don't recall the velocities, but next time I shoot it I can always blow a few through the chrono for you to give you an idea.

Jayhawk Dan · « **Reply #11 on:** January 19, 2004, 04:43:02 PM »

Hi, Bomtek44!! Kind of dumb questions here :shock: , but what did you mean in your message of 1/15/04 when you wrote that you've already "polished the bore"? Why do you do it, what do you use to polish the bore, and how do you do it?
I've been hunting with muzzleloaders since 1974 using a T/C Hawken, a T/C Renegade, and my current rifle is a Lyman Great Plains Rifle purchased in about 1984 or 85. In all this time, I'm ashamed to admit that I have never heard someone say that they "polished the bore" of a brand new rifle. However, I'm trying to assist my son-in-law get his first muzzleloading rifle, and he wants to get an in-line model. Therefore, I need to learn some of these things that might be specific for in-line MLs.
Thanks for taking time to answer my questions!! :grin:
Jayhawk Dan

bomtek44 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2004, 03:43:46 PM »

Jayhawk,

Numerous posts on this board, as well as others have mentioned polishing or lapping bores. Most barrels don't shoot their best until a number of rounds have been fired. Some recommend pushing a cotton ball through the bore to see where fibers snag on rough edges of lands or grooves. When new, my Remington had a bore that was a bit rough. Rifling is deeper, at .007-.008. Sabots were a chore to load. A number of passes with tight fitting cotton patches coated in a no longer manufactured metal polish called "Blue Magic", and the barrel looked like chrome inside. Loading was great, velocities were higher, no swabbing was needed between shots, and most importantly, clean bore and dirty bore shots had same p.o.i.

Knights have great bores. Out of the box, my new Elite had a very dirty barrel. I polished it to make it sparkling clean and add some mirror to it. It may reward me by putting five shots into the outer edges of a #4 washtub.....but I seriously doubt it.

Most now use JB nonembedding compound to lap or polish bores. Some others may have other views or better advice on this topic.

Good Luck! Did I read that you are buying for a son-in-law? Man you must really like the guy!

Jayhawk Dan · « **Reply #13 on:** January 25, 2004, 01:35:43 PM »

THANK YOU, Bomtek, for answering my question about bore polishing/lapping. I do appreciate your help!! Now, where do you recommend I go to get more detailed, specific information about going about this? I want to polish/lap the bore of my .50 Lyman GP Rifle.

Jayhawk Dan