Drones are Obsolete

[TM7]

As nutters like Bolton, Cheney, Gingrich, Obama, etc. demand Iran return the stealth drone,,,opining as another pretext for another war for Banksters of London, Tel Aviv, and New York...drones are likely obsolete--or soon to be anyway.
 
How stuff works:     http://science.howstuffworks.com/e-bomb.htm
 
And Iran is not Gaza....
 
 
..TM7


 
 

[guzzijohn]

Don't know how well it will work in reality but most critical electronics in military hardware is "hardened" against electromagnetic pulses that an e-bomb would generate. Even after an e-bomb attack my old Moto Guzzi would still run due to it still having the old points ignition system and no computer chips to be found on it.
GuzziJohn

[NWBear]

I am afraid if they knocked out TV, video games, cell phones and all our other Non-Military electronics; after the riots everyone might just commit mass suicide because they would not know what to do with themselves.   

[Empty Quiver]

I am afraid if they knocked out TV, video games, cell phones and all our other Non-Military electronics; after the riots everyone might just commit mass suicide because they would not know what to do with themselves.

Gotta tell you I would certainly hate the walk home. Can just imagine I'll be about 600 miles into a trip when the lights go out.


And to the point I kinda hope the drone thing doesn't work out in the end. War should not turn into a video game, too easy to forget how terrible it is.

[SHOOTALL]

Don't know how well it will work in reality but most critical electronics in military hardware is "hardened" against electromagnetic pulses that an e-bomb would generate. Even after an e-bomb attack my old Moto Guzzi would still run due to it still having the old points ignition system and no computer chips to be found on it.
GuzziJohn

Maybe it will maybe it won't. the condenser might not make it or the replacement alternator on some vehicles , starter ? Best to store extras in a Faraday  box. Want a better option , try a diesel tractor or truck that has a compression release to stop the engine .

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Shootall:
"Maybe it will maybe it won't. the condenser might not make it or the replacement alternator on some vehicles , starter ? Best to store extras in a Faraday  box. Want a better option , try a diesel tractor or truck that has a compression release to stop the engine ."


Well I hope I never have to find out. If the starter goes I can at least bump start it. I know that my 2011 Guzzi wouldn't be going anywhere for sure.
GuzziJohn

[SHOOTALL]

I have read the effects on older vehicles can go either way depending on how close the source of EMP was to it. If a condenser is gone on a vehicle you can bump start it but it will backfire under load . If the spark plugs are of recent manf. the resisters could  be burned out . I would imagine points could be effected if the vehicle was running at time of exposure ?
I offer this as an example of how weak our vehicles are. I had a Dodge 3/4 ton diesel. I did a job at a plant. Where I parked was next to a elec. room with 4160 or higher volts going into it . I parked close . I did so 3 times before figureing out that it was killing my computer on the engine ( that year had two) each time , thank goodness for warrantys  .

[magooch]

The plant where I worked had power centers with 110,000 volt feeds and tons of high voltage transformers and and other high energy units and the computers worked just fine, so did all the electronic testing equipment that the electricians and instrument guys used.  Most modern gasoline engines have electronic ignition systems that produce in excess of 100,000 volts.  Somehow the computers and other electronic equipment seem to survive close proximity.

[blind ear]

Don't know how well it will work in reality but most critical electronics in military hardware is "hardened" against electromagnetic pulses that an e-bomb would generate. Even after an e-bomb attack my old Moto Guzzi would still run due to it still having the old points ignition system and no computer chips to be found on it.
GuzziJohn

Maybe it will maybe it won't. the condenser might not make it or the replacement alternator on some vehicles , starter ? Best to store extras in a Faraday  box. Want a better option , try a diesel tractor or truck that has a compression release to stop the engine .

With lots or the reports of UFO siteings in the 70's,  "the car went dead and wouldn't start" was stated a lot. At that time many suspected the sitings to be military craft that were silenced . Better sound veiled helicopters, later the stealth bomber and all in between. Hang a dirrectable or broadcast EMP device on the helecopters and some of those wild stories make more sence. ear

[flatlander]

FYI:
 
Fars News Agency (FNA) is a news agency in Iran. While it describes itself as "Iran's leading independent news agency", news organizations such as CNN and Reuters describe it as a "semi-official" news agency with ties to the government. The Wall Street Journal has stated the agency is affiliated with the Revolutionary Guard Corps.
Its managing director Saeid Noubari is a former head of the public relations office of the Tehran Justice Department. FNA's managing editor Mehdi Fazaeli is also the spokesman of Iran's Association of Muslim Journalists.
 

[teamnelson]

And to the point I kinda hope the drone thing doesn't work out in the end. War should not turn into a video game, too easy to forget how terrible it is.

I concur. It's a documented fact that piloting combat drones psychologically disturbs the "pilots." Not enough attachment, biofeedback. Makes them prone to poor judgment, detachment, dissociative disorders, reduced affect. After all, they're not in danger but part of them thinks they should be. They've tried to accomodate the issue, having them wear flight gear, making the gaming console more like a cockpit, even having pre-flight mission briefs ... anything to give them culture of a combat squadron. But its not working. The pilots know something is missing, and for many it eats at them internally, or they drift into electronic sociopathy.


In other words, they experience the same phenomenon as politicians and armchair patriots whose lives have never been at risk, so they do not value the lives of the enemy. There is a truism amongst warriors stretching back millennia that only those who have faced an enemy in the field of combat truly understand the value of life, and are the least likely to seek war as a result. You do not run from it when it is necessary, and when it is necessary you do it well, but only you truly know the cost.

[blind ear]

The only thing close to a drone pilot is a sniper and a sniper certainly faces death.
 
When they find a way to desensitize the drone pilot the entire civilian population will be at risk for vigilanti/sniper actions by the government . Training of the GI is important in many aspects.
 
Drones are built by private coorporations, not the military.
 
Just a thought. ear

[nw_hunter]

The only thing close to a drone pilot is a sniper and a sniper certainly faces death.
 
When they find a way to desensitize the drone pilot the entire civilian population will be at risk for vigilanti/sniper actions by the government . Training of the GI is important in many aspects.
 
Drones are built by private coorporations, not the military.
 
Just a thought. ear

I agree Ear, and I'm sure they will find a way! The next Waco could be handled without risk to the aggressor.

[SHOOTALL]

I agree Ear, and I'm sure they will find a way! The next Waco could be handled without risk to the aggressor.

 
In reality the govt is "WE THE PEOPLE" so in fact the aggressor is US and there will be risk.

[SHOOTALL]

I have to disagree with ya TM7 in reality our (as a group) failure to vote or be on a jury has allowed our govt to become what it is . As an indivisual maybe some can argure that they opposed what has come about but as a country we are the govt even by default. As example if the govt exceeded its authority in ND then the ones violated should sue. If they have authority and the voters wish them to lose it then WE should vote in reps that will make it happen.
 
 

[SHOOTALL]

Like I said I disagree , We have both the format and ablity to control our govt. but in my life time there have been few willing to do so. When only 40% of the voters do infact vote you get little respect from those in office.

[teamnelson]

TM7 and Shootall, I think you're describing 2 different sides of the same coin. That TPTB are able to do as they do is because we the sheeple are more worried about a Kardashian and buying cheap Chinese products than civic duty. I believe we are the grandest social experiment in human history, proving that it is possible to turn a nation of rugged individualists, diverse but ardent liberty loving patriots, believers, entrepreneurs ... into a rabble of the soulless efete over time, to the point we will lay our very own children on the altar of our favorite sins. Our enemies, foreign and domestic, think in terms of millenia; we can't think past the next election.
 
We have done nothing, and for that we ought to be ashamed.

[SHOOTALL]

One thing Americans do well if not long is get pizzed and get together to defend itself. Be it the occupy or tea party they came about becaused people were pizzed. It will take alot to defuse this . If the two sides unite even on only a few points it could bring change .

[teamnelson]

One thing Americans do well if not long is get pizzed and get together to defend itself. Be it the occupy or tea party they came about becaused people were pizzed. It will take alot to defuse this . If the two sides unite even on only a few points it could bring change .

I believe TM7's TPTB know exactly what you're saying, and are using the MSM to make sure the audience is glued to the differences between OWS and the TP, rather than the similarities. It'll make us less upset if/when a drone (or to the OP, an ebomb) is used, as long as its on THEM and not on US (whatever THEM or US happens to mean to the audience at the time).

[SHOOTALL]

Yes fer sure they do. Nothing different than the race split of yester year. North vs South , yuppies vs red necks any split can be used .........

[SHOOTALL]

If the send back info in real time then they can be sacrificed to gain info. Better than maned flights.

[BBF]

And to the point I kinda hope the drone thing doesn't work out in the end. War should not turn into a video game, too easy to forget how terrible it is.

In other words, they experience the same phenomenon as politicians and armchair patriots whose lives have never been at risk, so they do not value the lives of the enemy. There is a truism amongst warriors stretching back millennia that only those who have faced an enemy in the field of combat truly understand the value of life.............................................

 
That fits the local nuke em 'til they glow crowd.

[Bob Riebe]

Quote from Shootall:
"Maybe it will maybe it won't. the condenser might not make it or the replacement alternator on some vehicles , starter ? Best to store extras in a Faraday  box. Want a better option , try a diesel tractor or truck that has a compression release to stop the engine ."


Well I hope I never have to find out. If the starter goes I can at least bump start it. I know that my 2011 Guzzi wouldn't be going anywhere for sure.
GuzziJohn

If you want to read what an EMP will do to analog tech. look up, I will not do it for you, what happened on the west coast after a Nuke test apprx. 40 or so years ago.
What it will do to digital equip. will make that look like a popped circuit breakers.


Even respected magazines such as Aviation Week and Space Technology have had people in the military industrial complex say that after an EMP that pilots of planes such as the F-22 only concern will be to keep it in the air and try to land it.