Republican "establishment" is "blowing it" !

[ironglow]

   The Republicans had a couple Tea Party candidates who could have easily won in Deleware and Nevada in 2010...but the "establishment" decided to not help them.  The establishment went to the extent of belittling the candidates (O'Donnel & Angle)
publicly.  Now the establishment in Virginia have seen to it that they keep 2 viable candidates OFF the ballot, namely Gingrich & Perry.  OK establishment..you are cutting your own throat.  At least Democrats know enough to help "friendlies" !
  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/24/gingrich-attacks-virginia-keeping-him-ballot/
  Republican party has declined in 21 states..what else did you expect ?
 
  Before the Democrat "establishment" starts to gloat, just know that Democrats have lost in 25 states and independants have gained in 18 states..  NO SURPRISE
 
  The PARTIES are slumping..and it's all their own doing...I won't shed a single tear..
 
 http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/23/democrats-republicans-losing-ground-on-voter-affiliation/

[nw_hunter]

   The Republicans had a couple Tea Party candidates who could have easily won in Deleware and Nevada in 2010...but the "establishment" decided to not help them.  The establishment went to the extent of belittling the candidates (O'Donnel & Angle)
publicly.  Now the establishment in Virginia have seen to it that they keep 2 viable candidates OFF the ballot, namely Gingrich & Perry.  OK establishment..you are cutting your own throat.  At least Democrats know enough to help "friendlies" !
  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/24/gingrich-attacks-virginia-keeping-him-ballot/
  Republican party has declined in 21 states..what else did you expect ?
 
  Before the Democrat "establishment" starts to gloat, just know that Democrats have lost in 25 states and independants have gained in 18 states..  NO SURPRISE
 
  The PARTIES are slumping..and it's all their own doing...I won't shed a single tear..
 
 http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/23/democrats-republicans-losing-ground-on-voter-affiliation/

Thanks for this story IG! This is great news for real conservatives! As Ron Paul's campaign surges across the country, this tell me there might be hope for us after all.

People are starting to wake up, and realize the Republican party has moved to far to the left with the Gingrich, McCain, Perry types, and to get a real change (For the better) we have to get back to the old Barry Goldwater type of Conservatism. What better way than electing a Constitutional minded person like Ron Paul.

WAY TO GO VIRGINIA

[blind ear]

The big danger that I see is Ron Paul having to run third party because of GOP opposition and old republican voters being afraid to switch and support him. Either way we will be getting closer to some kind of change. ear

[ironglow]

Right now, the danger with any third party run is that it could throw Obama back in office.  As I see it, trhere is no potential 3rd party candidate who could beat Obama.
   If Obama is to bne beat, it would almost have to be one of the top three runners.  Although they may not the best choice as some see it, any one of them would be miles ahead of Obama.  We are talking the very survival of the United States now.
   All those we saw in the debates so far, have been running a s Republicans...so I consider tyhem to be Republicans.
 
       In order for a conservative to beat Obama, he must garner nearly 100% of the conservatives plus a sizeable majority of the independants.  Ron Paul has not yet topped the polls, but soon we can expect the STHTF...  When some of his ideas are not only exposed but also exploited, how will conservatives and independants.
   Once his philosophies are exposed, do you believe enough conservatives will stick with him when they find out his true dislike for Israel?   .. Or his tendancy to blame US for what the terrorists did on 9/11.... And how about the legalization of illegal, mind-bending drugs...will the most conservatives stick with him at nearly a 100% rate ?                       `

[Doublebass73]

Once his philosophies are exposed, do you believe enough conservatives will stick with him when they find out his true dislike for Israel?   .. Or his tendancy to blame US for what the terrorists did on 9/11.... And how about the legalization of illegal, mind-bending drugs...will the most conservatives stick with him at nearly a 100% rate ?

I don't have an answer for this question but I can say that a lot of conservatives seem to be supporting Gingrich and Romney, both of whose philosophies have already been exposed. They both have terrible records when it comes to gun control, Obamacare, global warming and bank bailouts. All conservative issues.

You bring up good questions about Ron Paul, it seems like a lot of people don't like him because of the reasons you mention yet they will overlook Gingrich and Romney's atrocious records on many conservative issues and still support them.

BTW, Ron Paul doesn't have a "true dislike" for Israel. He simply wants to stop all foreign aid, Israel included. Sounds pretty conservative to me, this would save taxpayers billions. Why should I and every other taxpayer be required to pay for a foreign country's military?

[Cuts Crooked]

Right now it appears that Ron Paul is the only one who CAN beat Oweblamoe.

http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/12/06/ron-paul-polls-strongest-against-obama/

[nw_hunter]

Right now, the danger with any third party run is that it could throw Obama back in office.  As I see it, trhere is no potential 3rd party candidate who could beat Obama.
   If Obama is to bne beat, it would almost have to be one of the top three runners.  Although they may not the best choice as some see it, any one of them would be miles ahead of Obama.  We are talking the very survival of the United States now.
   All those we saw in the debates so far, have been running a s Republicans...so I consider tyhem to be Republicans.
 
       In order for a conservative to beat Obama, he must garner nearly 100% of the conservatives plus a sizeable majority of the independants.  Ron Paul has not yet topped the polls, but soon we can expect the STHTF...  When some of his ideas are not only exposed but also exploited, how will conservatives and independants.
   Once his philosophies are exposed, do you believe enough conservatives will stick with him when they find out his true dislike for Israel?   .. Or his tendancy to blame US for what the terrorists did on 9/11.... And how about the legalization of illegal, mind-bending drugs...will the most conservatives stick with him at nearly a 100% rate ?                       `

One of the reasons Obama is in office now, is because of the Republicans that voted for him.Many Republicans tired of the old War party crowd of politics helped get him elected. We have seen what that mentality has done for us, and Paul has never been for these unconstitutional wars.
McCain was a Liberal NWO type Republican as is Newt and Mitt.Paul has proven he can draw voters from all parties. He handles negative spin quite well. These people who push the Anti-Israel propaganda against him are not having much success. He has better chance of defeating Obama than anybody else in the GOP.

As far as the war on drugs issue! It has been a terrible failure at a horrific cost to the American tax payer. Paul realizes you cannot legislate morality, and shouldn't try in the first place.

His  philosophy has always been an open book! That is why his popularity continues to grow.
We have a rare opportunity in this next election to elect a true patriot of the Jefferson class.
It would be a shame to waste it!

[ironglow]

I have not chosen a favored candidate, but I do know that whoever it is he/she would have to garner ALL conservatives and a lion's share of the independants.  I realize the ones I really like are best are probably Bachmann & Santorum, but their electability is questioned because of their evangelistic Christian credentials..a lot of Christophobia running around out there !  There is also large segment of the population who back Israel as well as a sizeable contingent who frown on legalizing drugs.  obviously Bachmann and Santorum would scare some of the left-leaning independants..while Paul's stance on drugs and Israel and isolationism, would compromise a large chunk of the base.
   On second thought, I DO have a favorite...any of them who runs against Obama !
 
     

[Gary G]

The Republican party is a party of special interests.
The Democratic party is a party of special interests.


Special interests can only gain if there is a loss to all others.
With so many special interests as we now have, everyone loses.


The founding fathers knew this, so they devised a Constitution that specifically spells out what the Federal government can do. Therefore, under the constitution, special privileges are not possible, so we must have effectively discarded it.
Now, it is a fact, that there is only one man that will follow the Constitution and has proven so for thirty years. All the others are liars.

[magooch]

I'm afraid we're soon to find out what the RP supporters will do when he becomes another also-ran.  That isn't to say that I would hesitate for a moment to vote for him if somehow against enormous odds, he somehow gets the nomination.
 
People talk about the baggage that Gingrich, Romney and Perry carry as if it is something unigue to them, while they seem to overlook Ron Paul's baggage.  And then the chief baggage handler himself (Obama) is--I guess given extra credit for what he totes around.
 
Back to what the enthusiastic Ron Paul supporters will do if, or when he fades.  Will they get on board with who finally does emerge from the chaotic primaries, or will they just drop out and allow the obamanation to prevail and finish off what is left of this great country?

[ironglow]

Magooch says;
    "Will they get on board with who finally does emerge from the chaotic primaries, or will they just drop out and allow the obamanation to prevail and finish off what is left of this great country"?
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  Magooch, that is a valid concern.  I can honestly say, whoever gets the nod..whether Romney, Paul, Gingrich, Santorum or any other.  Yes, although not one of them is perfect and each have their "warts", I will gladly vote for the more conservative candidate in the general election...if only to forestall the Democrat's planned destruction of America !

[Gary G]

My portfolio is positioned to make a lot of wealth in the coming currency wars and debt reduction through financial repression as the oligarch kicks the can down the road. If Ron Paul is elected I will lose a lot of money. But, I want a country for my grandkids, so I will vote for him either on the ballot or by write-in. Voting for the others is not conservative, but more kicking of the can. Republicans are progressives and keynesians too you know.

[Fazak]

The bottom line is, Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who can beat Obama.
 
A Ron Paul nomination will bring an enormous crossover vote. Romney, or Gingrich will bring none.
 
Additionally, the Ron Paul faction will stay home if he isn't nominated.
 
CNN understands all of this. That's why they've devoted so much time to smearing Ron Paul.
 
His nomination will put their liberal president out of the White House,..and they know it.

[ironglow]

  I rerfuse to HELP Obama get back into the oval office...
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  Quote:... " Additionally, the Ron Paul faction will stay home if he isn't nominated".
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  I also refuse to believe that grown adults would act so childish as to allow Obama more time for destruction if their "choice" isn't recognized by other conservatives...That's simply too childish to contemplate !

[Fazak]

Apparently, you've yet to hear of the "nobody but Paul" movement.
 
Any candidate other than Ron Paul automatically forfeits 10% of the GOP vote.
 
Nominate Gingrich,..Romney,..Santorum,..Perry,...
 
You get Obama.
 
Take it to the bank.

[Fazak]

On the other hand, If the GOP nominates Ron Paul, it get's the Republican vote, the hard core Ron Paul vote, and a huge number of crossover votes from the antiwar Democrats.
 
Face it,..the anti war vote is what put Obama in office,..and he's dropped the ball.
 
Now, those people who voted for him on that issue are looking for a *real* anti war candidate.
 
Enter Ron Paul.

[Fazak]

Ron Paul represents a totally different ideology than the big government, big spending, warmongering candidates that the GOP has marched out and presented to the people.
 
Ron Paul voters want true small government and true fiscal responsibilty.
 
They're not going to vote for any candidate who doesn't espouse that philosophy regardless of their party.
 
No other Republican candidate is a small government fiscal conservative.
 
 

[BUGEYE]

On the other hand, If the GOP nominates Ron Paul, it get's the Republican vote, the hard core Ron Paul vote, and a huge number of crossover votes from the antiwar Democrats.
 
Face it,..the anti war vote is what put Obama in office,..and he's dropped the ball.
 
Now, those people who voted for him on that issue are looking for a *real* anti war candidate.
 
Enter Ron Paul.

Maybe...but I think it was the HealthCare reform promise that got Obama elected....that went well, didn't it?...
 
..TM7
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It was the black vote looking for hand-outs they thought was coming.

[ironglow]

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

[DDZ]

It was the black vote looking for hand-outs they thought was coming.

This is what I think happened, but you can also add "white people looking for hand-outs" to the list also.

[Cuts Crooked]

Well, Paul keeps gaining ground.........


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70800.html

[nw_hunter]

Well, Paul keeps gaining ground.........


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70800.html

It's good to hear about Independents registering as Republicans so they can vote for Dr Paul in the Primary. I would guess some Democrats are doing the same.

All this time the press has been quiet about Paul hoping he would fade. "didn't happen" Now they come out in force to attack him. These are all good signs!

[ironglow]

  While Paul is not my favorite, if he can get the nomination I will gladly vote for him.  Four more years of Obama with his appointments and executive orders, will destroy this republic.
   I can only hope that all conservatives have enough common sense to accept whatever conservative confronts Obama. To "take their ball and cry all the way home"..leaving the field to the republic destroyer, would show their complete disregard for this nation....
     That's exactly what Obama is trying to do..'divide and conquer'...            No time to be bullheaded...

[Cuts Crooked]

  While Paul is not my favorite, if he can get the nomination I will gladly vote for him.  Four more years of Obama with his appointments and executive orders, will destroy this republic.
   I can only hope that all conservatives have enough common sense to accept whatever conservative confronts Obama. To "take their ball and cry all the way home"..leaving the field to the republic destroyer, would show their complete disregard for this nation....
     That's exactly what Obama is trying to do..'divide and conquer'...            No time to be bullheaded...

I can agree with that.....WHATEVER CONSERVATIVE.........Which would make our only real choice PAUL, since Newt is a progressive and Romney is a rino.

[Doublebass73]

One of the virtues of conservatism is accepting responsibility for yourself rather than blame others for your misfortunes therefore I find it pretty comical that there will be some so called conservatives who blame me and other Paul supporters if Obama gets re-elected rather than blame themselves for supporting LIBERAL Republican candidates just because they have an "R" next to their name.

[magooch]

I'm right with Ironglow; you guys get Paul on the ballot and I'll vote for him.  What I won't do is vote for him if he doesn't make the ballot, because no matter how people try to twist it, any of the Republicans are at least capable of being a real President.  Obama has proven that he has no ability to think like anything other than a totally committed ideological leftist and isn't the least bit concerned about the economic state he and his party has put us in.  Ron Paul could never win as a write in. 

[nw_hunter]

I'm right with Ironglow; you guys get Paul on the ballot and I'll vote for him.  What I won't do is vote for him if he doesn't make the ballot, because no matter how people try to twist it, any of the Republicans are at least capable of being a real President.  Obama has proven that he has no ability to think like anything other than a totally committed ideological leftist and isn't the least bit concerned about the economic state he and his party has put us in.  Ron Paul could never win as a write in.

I hear people say......I'll vote for him if he gets on the ballot (RP) What he needs, is for us to get him on the ballot?
The important vote for Paul, is in the primary. If he wins the primary he will stand a better chance of beating Obama than any  of the other candidates. I think the polls taken have proven that point.

We have a great document in this country called the Constitution. Everyone of these folks have sworn to uphold it.
I don't see any doing it with the exception of Paul.

I don't think we can honestly lay all the economic problems we have at the feet of Obama. We had another liar in the WH before him that made great strides in doing it. Look what Bush left us! Obama has added to it, and the next Neocon or Socialist elected will more than likely drive the final nail in the coffin.

[BUGEYE]

I'm thinking Santorum may be the best choice now.

[magooch]

I'm right with Ironglow; you guys get Paul on the ballot and I'll vote for him.  What I won't do is vote for him if he doesn't make the ballot, because no matter how people try to twist it, any of the Republicans are at least capable of being a real President.  Obama has proven that he has no ability to think like anything other than a totally committed ideological leftist and isn't the least bit concerned about the economic state he and his party has put us in.  Ron Paul could never win as a write in.

I hear people say......I'll vote for him if he gets on the ballot (RP) What he needs, is for us to get him on the ballot?
The important vote for Paul, is in the primary. If he wins the primary he will stand a better chance of beating Obama than any  of the other candidates. I think the polls taken have proven that point.

We have a great document in this country called the Constitution. Everyone of these folks have sworn to uphold it.
I don't see any doing it with the exception of Paul.

I don't think we can honestly lay all the economic problems we have at the feet of Obama. We had another liar in the WH before him that made great strides in doing it. Look what Bush left us! Obama has added to it, and the next Neocon or Socialist elected will more than likely drive the final nail in the coffin.

Of course Obama didn't get us to where we are now by himself, he had the totally Dumycrat Congress who gave him a head start, starting in 2007.  I'd take GWB any day over what we have now.  Bad mouthing him does nothing to help Ron Paul.

[nw_hunter]

Of course Obama didn't get us to where we are now by himself, he had the totally Dumycrat Congress who gave him a head start, starting in 2007.  I'd take GWB any day over what we have now.  Bad mouthing him does nothing to help Ron Paul.
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Say anything negative about a Democrat to a Democrat , and it's bad mouthing. Same thing with most Republicans. Stating facts is not badmouthing!

Fact....... GW gave us the never ending wars. Obama promised to bring them to and end as soon as elected and didn't.

Fact........GW Gave us the Department of Homeland security,which further reduced our freedoms, but did nothing to reduce the flow of illegals into the U.S. Obama has continued to use the Department to take more of our freedoms.

Fact........G.W. Started the bailouts! (enacted TARP) Troubled Asset Relief Program. Obama continued them.

It's getting harder and harder to see a difference in the two parties. Some of us don't believe there is a difference.