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« on: January 17, 2004, 03:33:05 AM »
I've been mulling over getting into reloading for a few months, and I have noticed that a handful of companies offer reloading "starter kits" that supposedly have everything you need to get started. I'm just wondering what you folks with some reloading experience think about these kits.

Are these kits really all you need (other than expendables like powder, primers, brass, bullets, etc.) to get started? Which brands offer the best packages in your opinion? Also, any tips on what to look for, avoid, etc., would be nice.

I've also noticed that there are "field" kits for specific calibers that come in a small box with supposedly everything you need to reload in the field. Are these kits worthwhile, and can they be used to load quality rounds?

Any input is appreciated. 8)
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2004, 04:29:45 AM »
The kits usually don't include dies and shell holders that are specific to the caliber you are reloading. Most don't include one or two items that you'll eventually need but not right away like a bullet puller.

I like RCBS because they have a no questions asked warranty on just about everything except electronic scales and dispensers that they don't make themselves anyway.

Cabelas still has the RCBS Master Reloading Kit on sale for $219. Go to:

http://www.cabelas.com/

Then go to:  Bargain Cave  >  Hunting  >  Reloading Accessories

I've never used a "field kit" but if it's anything like a "Lee loader" you'll be disappointed if you intend to use it for reloading anything but the ocassional few rounds.

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2004, 04:50:34 AM »
I bought the Lee Anniversary Kit on Ebay a couple years ago.  For someone just getting started I think that it is a good choice.  It comes with the very popular Auto Prime.  I made the mistake of getting the Auto Prime II which mounts on the press.  It works OK, but the hand-held Auto Prime doesn't tie up your press.  You'll need to get dies of course.  My only complaint is that my press is slightly out of alignment.  I'm not sure if this is a common problem with Lee presses or not.  I have since moved on to a progressive press, but still use the single stage for rifle loads.  You didn't mention what caliber(s) you'll be loading.  For precision rifle loads or maximum loads of any caliber you'll want a powder dribbler.   With this kit, you would also need the case length guage for each caliber for trimming.  

Lee products tend to be cheaper and therefore not quite as well made as some of the other products.  It all depends on how much you have to spend.  Many swear by RCBS and although I haven't used any, almost everything I have heard about them is good.

BTW - You aren't thinking about getting into reloading to save money are you?

Oh yeah - Unless you're loading straight walled cartridges with carbide dies, you'll need a case lube pad and lube.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2004, 07:22:52 AM »
RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme Kit with the RCBS Accessory Kit.  That is everything you need...

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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2004, 09:43:36 AM »
I'm definitely not going to reload to save money...are you kidding? The equipment alone is more than I would otherwise spend on ammo in a dozen or more years. No, I want to develop some specific loads that are not offered commercially. I'd like to develop some lighter loads in 6.5x55 with 120 gr bullets for my daughters who are learning to hunt. I would also like to develop some special-purpose loads with premium bullets that aren't offered in factory rounds. I will be doing mostly rifle but maybe also some revolver ammo. Main reason to load is to create my own product.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2004, 10:47:00 AM »
No doubt about it.  Go with the RCBS Turret Kit.  If you want to load for more than just one caliber this is definitely the way to go.  You will need a caliper for sure as these do not come with kits.

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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2004, 05:43:27 PM »
If you are sure that you will handload for the rest of your life there may be a reason to buy the expensive kits. I bought the Lee aniversery kit and have been very happy. It all works. Some things do seem cheap. I have been meaning to replace the scale for a couple of years but never get around to doing it. The Lee works. I have thought about a new powder measure, but the Lee works. The only major component I have added is the Lee turret press for the convenience of changing calibers.

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2004, 12:53:13 PM »
When I started reloading, I was living in an apartment, and was only going to load "a few rounds" for my rifle.  I bought a Lee Hand Press and all the accessories and could store everything in an MTM Shooters Box.  That was several years and thousands of rounds (mostly pistol, and slowly, slowly) ago and I still use it regularly.

It's pretty rare to buy a press cheaper than the dies. :grin: Yes, it's not ideal, but it works for me.

Good luck, reloading's a grin.

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2004, 03:23:39 PM »
If you plan to be serious about reloading, I'll endorse the RCBS advice you have received. Redding is another company that makes quality equipment. I'll recommend the starter kit, but you will invariably find that you will desire different items as the years go on.
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2004, 05:45:55 AM »
Huntsman,

Before making a decision on which starter kit you might need,  I would suggest you decide if you're interested in reloading rifle or pistol, how many rounds per year you're going to reload, what the purposes of the reloaded rounds is for and what the expected accuracy of the reloaded rounds are.  Once you've decided the above information, post it here and then the advice you get can be much more focused.

Based on the information you've already posted, it sounds like, but I'm not positive, that you're looking to reload small amounts of ammo that is not commercially available and I would guess rifle calibers.  

If that's true, the RCBS kit is about as good as any going out there.  That said, I'm not sure I'd buy a kit.  Knowing what you need and might want once you get loading helps in making these choices.  Here's a list of items you'll probably want and need, based on your earlier postings:

1. A reloading press-for what you're doing, need to know what type of cartridge and in what quantities before a press can be advised, think on how much you think you'll shoot.  Generally speaking, single stages are better for more accurate cartridges, with the Rock Chucker and Redding brands being excellent choices.  If you go with the Rock Chucker, I'd suggest also getting a Hornady Lock N Load bushing conversion kit for the Rock chucker with another 10 additional bushings.  With these, you adjust your dies once, tighten down the lock ring and next time you want to change dies, you just insert, twist and snap/lock in and you're done changing dies in about 2 seconds.  I use these on my Rock Chucker and they're wonderful.

2. Reloading dies for the caliber of your choice. I have Hornady and RCBS dies, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy and use Lee or Dillon, who also load excellent ammo. Rumor has it that Reddings are the Cadillac of dies, but their prices reflect it. If money is no objection, I'd definately explore the Redding dies.  For pistol, you'll want to buy carbide dies.  For a single stage press, you'll need a shell holder that matches the caliber you're loading.

3. A Powder measure/dispenser (Many kits include these.) I like the Hornady, RCBS and Redding brands for these. I have both the Hornady and Redding brands. Of these, the Hornady is an automated version and is more consistent (to me) because of the automaticed feature. It came with my Hornady Lock and Load Auto Progressive Press. (BTW, in my opinion, the Hornady progressive is the bomb when price, features and quality are taken into account. I have a price comparison vs. Dillon, but I'd rather not prejudice you. The Dillon guys will argue hot and loudly with me on this, because they love their Dillons as much as I love my Hornady.)

4. A powder scale, no matter single stage, turret or progressive, you'll need one of these. I like the RCBS 505 and 1010, the Hornady and the Dillon scales.  I have a Redding, but wish I had gotten another brand because the fine adjustment is hard to see and can be bumped out of adjustment accidentally.'

5. A set of calipers to measure your cartridges with. I have a Frankford Arsenal set that's done well for me. Other folks spend a lot more money, but these have been more than accurate enough for everything I've loaded, including highpower rifle cartridges.

6. A reloading manual- I have and like my Speer #13, but Hornady, Lee and a couple other folks make excellent ones. I haven't heard much about Lyman's reloading manual, but their lead bullet manual is supposed to be pretty good.  A good loading book on the basics like the ABC's of Reloading and Metallic Cartridge Reloading can help you understand the process a lot better. Read them a couple times it will get you to a good understanding. Read the directions that come with your press, dies etc.

7. Some snap lid plastic storage containers with bins to store all the little pieces and parts from the equipment.  It might not be a bad idea to look at plastic fishing tackle boxes, as they have lots of storage compartments.

8. Some plastic bins to hold your brass, bullets and loaded cartridges while you're in the process of reloading. If you're loading single stage, you might need some cartridge blocks to retain the brass in various stages of production.  Buy the cheapest bins out there, such as harborfreight, they're all plastic so you gain nothing by paying more.

9. A couple of adjustable wrenches, one six inch and one eight inch. There may be other hand tools, but if you have a tool box, you may already have them.

10. A kinetic bullet puller. I have the one made by Frankford Arsenal. If you whack it firmly, rather than as hard as you can and hit it upon a piece of hardwood, it'll last and do the job great. You can spend more, but this one works well and is only about $20.00.

11. A brass trimmer. I have an RCBS automated version, but I compete in highpower rifle, reload lots of rifle cartridges that need to be trimmed to length occasionally. For smaller quanties of brass, a hand trimmer would be sufficient and much more fun to use.  You will need to check your brass is not over the maximum alllowed length.  AFter trimming, you will need a deburring tool cleans up the inside and outside necks so the casemouth isn't sharp and bullets insert smoothly without damage.

12. Cartridge gauge. These are nicely convenient to check to see if your reloaded cartridges are within SAAMI specification.

13. Case lube - I use Hornady One Shot on my rifle cartridges, but I find it and their cleaner lube handy for lubricating moving parts on my progressive that I don't have grease and oil getting into. For rifle cartridges you can lube with a pad and case lube (such as the one included in the RCBS kit) or use something like Hornady one-shot or try out Imperial Sizing Die Wax, which I hear is another excellent product.

14. Brass - I recommend you research and buy a better brand of brass, particularly what the majority of folks shooting your caliber are loading, it'll generally be (but not always) the best compromise of quality and price. Occasionally something new comes along that whips the "standard" pretty badly.

15. Powder - Again, start with the "Old standby" for your cartridge (if one exists) and then move out to other brands as you gain reloading experience.

16. Bullets - FMJ is great, but lead is cheaper. I'd advise buying them in bulk, 500 to a thousand at a time. You'll want to learn how to reload before you even think about making your own lead bullets. With the caliber I suspect you're shooting, this will certainly result in significant savings.  But with lead in odd calibers, you will have to look at casting bullets.  So maybe for you, after setting up for reloading, you want to look at casting bullets.  This is a great site to look at for that purpose.

17. Safety glasses, wear them while you're reloading, just like you do when you're shooting.

18.  You will need to clean the brass. If you are reloading for small quantites, don't bother with fancy tumblers, you can clean it with a vinegar formula such as the one the NRA suggest and just wipe the brass down with a rag and dry it.  If you want the formula, I'll be glad to post it.  You also have the option of a tumbler/sifter combination.  Bose's Guns, http://www.bosesguns.com/  , has a Frankford Arsenal combination that does well, it's the one I have.  Another more expensive alternative would be the Dillon combination.

I hope this helps,
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2004, 06:30:52 AM »
I have to disagree. If you buy RCBS for items 1.) 3.) and 4.) on your list from MidwayUsa it will cost you about $220. The kit from Cabelas now for $219 contains:

RC Supreme Press
5-0-5 Powder Scale
Uniflow™ Powder Measure
Speer No. 13 Reloading Manual
Hand Priming Tool
Hex Key Set
Case Loading Block
Case Lube Kit
Powder Funnel and Deburring Tool.

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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2004, 09:23:50 AM »
Just for the record, so everybody will know, this is why and what I plan to reload for:

REASONS to reload. Get bullet/velocity combos not available in factory loads. I want lighter loads for my children learning to shoot/hunt and maybe some special loads with heavier bullets for my hunting. That's it.

VOLUME of reloading. Realistically, I'll probably put less than 100 rounds through any of my guns in a year. I am after adequately accurate rounds (1 1/2 to 2" groups at 100 yards) that do the job I intend them for. I am not into this for play, but for utility only. Once I have developed a round I like, I will probably not experiment much more, but just continue reloading 20-30 rounds a year of it.

CALIBERS to reload. I have 6.5x55 SE, .270 Win, and 8mm mauser in rifle and .357 mag in pistol. Really no reason to reload for the pistol, plenty of good factory loads available. Plenty of factory .270 offerings also. Mostly it will be the 6.5 and 8mm.
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2004, 11:17:24 PM »
Lee Anniversary Kit and Lee Collet Dies!!!!! WOW. How easy do you want it :D
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2004, 02:59:33 AM »
Considering your intended uses, Lee Aniversary Kit.  Any kit you get, you'll have to get dies, but Lee dies are more than adequate and they come with the appropriate shell holder.

I would however recommend the Lyman reloading manual
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2004, 05:37:38 AM »
huntsman,
The fact that you are on this forum indicates to me that you have more than a casual interest in hunting/shooting. While you don't plan to do a lot of reloading now, you might find yourself more involved as time goes on. I too got into reloading on a shoestring. My first setup was a Lee Handloader. You can't get in any cheaper than that! Rather crude and slow and required the heavy application of a hammer, but cost under $20--hammer not included. Loaded a ton of 38/357 with that setup. My reloading setup grew to include shotgun and rifle calibers in addition to several other pistol calibers. My equipment over the years has grown to include RCBS/Lyman/Lee/Dillon/MEC/Hornady, and others I have forgotten. Point is, get in with something basic and inexpensive like the Lee Aniversary kit. If, and when you decide to become more involved in reloading, you can upgrade your equipment a little at a time. The old equipment will still be useful, you can dedicate the old press to one operation, you can never have too many sets of dies, and it doesn't hurt to have a spare scale. Or, you can do as I and some of my friends have done and get together and make up enough equipment to get a new reloader started. Passing it along to a new reloader helps to perpetuate our shooting sports. Most of us enjoy our time at the reloading bench, and the lower cost of ammo leads to more shots fired.
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