Author Topic: Hello, My name is CW and I am a handi haulic... (Read 1523 times)

cwlongshot · « **on:** December 30, 2011, 11:52:45 AM »

Well I ordered another rifle today...

A 35 Remington that will be rechambered to a 356 Winchester!!

(Thank you Dinny and Pete!!)

Thank you I feel better already...

CW

c1skout · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:23:26 PM »

Isn't admitting the first step on the road to recovery?

mechanic · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:39:19 PM »

There is no recovery. Just more calibers.

Congrats, CW.

Ben

twoshooter · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2011, 01:22:47 PM »

Sometimes a placebo can help.......... last night I placed an order for one that does not yet exist, that 300 AAC that is SUPPOSED to become available in March. I told my Dealer......... resistance is futile.............It will be assimilated.......I am already seeking dies......I have 4 molds that could possibly be used.......just knowing that makes me feel better already!! I am Timothy, and I am in treatment........

bikerbeans · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2011, 01:24:21 PM »

One can't have enough 35 cal CF rifles. Can't wait for color glossy photos and range reports.

BB

spikehorn · « **Reply #5 on:** December 30, 2011, 01:26:53 PM »

HELLO CW!

cwlongshot · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2011, 01:55:52 PM »

Hello Spike!

Quote from: bikerbeans on December 30, 2011, 01:24:21 PM

One can't have enough 35 cal CF rifles. Can't wait for color glossy photos and range reports.
BB

Would you be looking for color 8x10 glossy photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was about...

COUNT ON IT BROTHERS!!!

CW

BTW: SHHH...Just ordered brass and a box of 220G Speers too....Don't tell momma.

thejanitor · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2011, 01:58:51 PM »

Hi my name is B my name is B, What problem

I am fine, I could quit anytime. Just yesterday I didn't even look at a handi.... Then today my awesome pretty calendar showed up. I am fine. thejanitor

petemi · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2011, 02:01:51 PM »

(HIC).....Hey buddy....can ya spare a buck (HIC) sos I kin git a lil nip (HIC) o Hoppes? Feller herebouts talkin bout 7mm wid a rim (HIC) Gonna shoot (HIC)...... Gonna shoot in da Handi (HIC) rifle. Got me tinkin (HIC)

Seventeen Handis, 1 Sportster, 2 Pardners and a Huntsman....Hmmmm...Perhaps a rimmed 7mm-08.......problem???.....who's got a problem???

CW, I'm proud of ya

Pete

gendoc · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2011, 02:17:45 PM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on December 30, 2011, 01:55:52 PM

color 8x10 glossy photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was about...

sounds lika verse from alice's restaurant.......................

cwlongshot · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2011, 02:27:00 PM »

Quote from: gendoc on December 30, 2011, 02:17:45 PM

Quote from: cwlongshot on December 30, 2011, 01:55:52 PM

color 8x10 glossy photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was about...

sounds lika verse from alice's restaurant.......................

Yup, Arlo's Thanksgiving song!!

Officer Opee approved!

CW

gendoc · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2011, 02:35:38 PM »

yep, i wasa live an kick'n them days in tha jungle........that was one a my favorites along with jamie brockett's uss titanic

i canjus hear them blast'n them songs away from them huey's overhead. and remembering the fragrance of spent napalm

hellyeah i'ma handi-holic too. and proud..........

Dinny · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2011, 03:05:50 PM »

Oh CW! I know the cure, but it's worse than your condition. Guess you're just gonna have to live with it.

Thanks, Dinny

Flynmoose · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2011, 07:57:36 PM »

Why the mention of a cure or problem? I don't see a problem!! The mere mention of a "cure" or quitting gives me hives, may not be able to sleep tonight!
FM

bikerbeans · « **Reply #14 on:** December 31, 2011, 02:06:15 AM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on December 30, 2011, 02:27:00 PM

Quote from: gendoc on December 30, 2011, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: cwlongshot on December 30, 2011, 01:55:52 PM

color 8x10 glossy photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was about...

sounds lika verse from alice's restaurant.......................

"where you can have anything you want excepting Alice"

BB

Yup, Arlo's Thanksgiving song!! Officer Opee approved!

CW

Joe S. · « **Reply #15 on:** December 31, 2011, 06:16:11 AM »

356 win sounds interesting...

Dinny · « **Reply #16 on:** December 31, 2011, 06:21:14 AM »

Quote from: Joe S. on December 31, 2011, 06:16:11 AM

356 win sounds interesting...

Interesting?! I think you meant to say Amazing!

Thanks, Dinny

gendoc · « **Reply #17 on:** December 31, 2011, 06:41:49 AM »

whats tha hype on tha 356 win... other than tha case shoulder, over tha 35 whelen ?
or is it jus one them things that very few have ?

#	Name	Muzzle Velocity (Avg. f.p.s.)	Muzzle Energy (Avg. ft-lbs.)	Bullet Weight (Avg. gr.)	Data Points	Case Capacity (Avg. grs. H2O)
1.	.35 Whelen	2523	3135	224	216	69.3
2.	.356 Winchester	2412	2445	192	32	57.4

Joe S. · « **Reply #18 on:** December 31, 2011, 07:34:34 AM »

Os the 356 is a rimmed cartridge? Thats the beauty (and advantage) imo over the no neck 35 whelen in a handi rifle

gendoc · « **Reply #19 on:** December 31, 2011, 07:46:53 AM »

cord'n to some resources, the 356 is semi-rimmed.

i know that some people do not like a rimless cartridge. thats there option.....

i myself kinda like the performance from both rim and rimless. i can make'um shoot
no matter how bigga-butt they gots..............

HTRDNCK · « **Reply #20 on:** December 31, 2011, 07:55:28 AM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on December 30, 2011, 11:52:45 AM

Well I ordered another rifle today...

A 35 Remington that will be rechambered to a 356 Winchester!!

(Thank you Dinny and Pete!!)

Thank you I feel better already...

CW

And thanks to you a just ordered 308 barrel will be converted to 307/308 in my collection.

That also makes you an enabler!

CONGRATS on the new project. I dont want to hear a thing about it...well....yeah keep us posted.

Best to you CW

Dinny · « **Reply #21 on:** December 31, 2011, 08:08:47 AM »

Gendoc,
Within it's realm, the .356/.358 Win kills all outta proportion from what it looks like it could do. Kinda like a Superformance .357 Maxi!

Thanks, Dinny

cwlongshot · « **Reply #22 on:** December 31, 2011, 08:49:41 AM »

Quote from: gendoc on December 31, 2011, 07:46:53 AM

cord'n to some resources, the 356 is semi-rimmed.

i know that some people do not like a rimless cartridge. thats there option.....

i myself kinda like the performance from both rim and rimless. i can make'um shoot
no matter how bigga-butt they gots..............

Any case with a deep angled base/extractor cut and its rim diameter the same as its base diameter, is considered a rimless case. The 308 and 30-06 class of cases are rimless cases.

A case where its rim is slightly larger than its base diameters is considered SEMI rimless case. IE 32, 380 and 38 Super cases as well as the 444 Marlin are examples as SEMI rimmed.

A rimmed case has a larger substantially larger rim then the dia of the base of the case. IE a 257 Mag max 30-30 and its "class of calibers are all rimmed cases.

So it could be argued that the 307/356 are a semi rimmed case. BUT that rim is fairly substantial and specifically there to head space off of. SO based on this many (self included) consider this a rimmed case.

The deal with the 356 is multi faceted, first off, yes its a rimmed case. The problems with the 35 Rem and 35 Whelen are the same, poor and inconsistent head-spacing off the little shoulder of these cases. the shoulder of the 356 is no better, BUT it head spaces off its rim, eliminating this problem.
Secondly like most 35's its efficiency far out runs what it appears to be able to do on paper. Its fully capable of vel with in 10 + - % of its parent the 358. The 358 is better than 2600 from a 200g bullet.

Lastly, yea its cool, not to many people have one and it will nearly duplicate the 358. A damn good caliber to copy!

CW

gcrank1 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 31, 2011, 10:11:24 AM »

Next thing you'll be sprouting fangs and hair where it aint supposed to be.........
Doomed, you are doomed!

JB White · « **Reply #24 on:** December 31, 2011, 01:25:28 PM »

Quote

A case where its rim is slightly larger than its base diameters is considered
SEMI rimless case.

...and a rebate to serve as an extractor groove.

Passed a favorite gun shop yesterday on the way out for dinner. As I tapped the brakes the Mrs asked what I was doing. Told her that I'm going to order another handi-rifle. She said, "Not now you're not".
I need a cure for a wife who puts gun purchases ahead of dinner dates.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #25 on:** December 31, 2011, 01:41:34 PM »

Quote from: JB White on December 31, 2011, 01:25:28 PM

I need a cure for a wife who puts gun purchases ahead of dinner dates.

That's easy, don't take her with ya when you shop, and keep your mouth shut, don't tell her, works for me!

Tim

gendoc · « **Reply #26 on:** December 31, 2011, 02:17:18 PM »

how bouta lil history........

.356 Winchester[/t]

Type[/t]

Rifle

Place of origin[/t]

United States

Production history[/t]

Designer[/t]

Winchester

Designed[/t]

1982

Manufacturer[/t]

Winchester

Specifications[/t]

Parent case[/t]

.307 Winchester

Case type[/t]

Semi-rimmed, bottleneck

Bullet diameter[/t]

.358 in (9.1 mm)

Neck diameter[/t]

.388 in (9.9 mm)

Shoulder diameter[/t]

.454 in (11.5 mm)

Base diameter[/t]

.4703 in (11.95 mm)

Rim diameter[/t]

.506 in (12.9 mm)

Rim thickness[/t]

.048 in (1.2 mm)

Case length[/t]

2.015 in (51.2 mm)

Overall length[/t]

2.56 in (65 mm)

Rifling twist[/t]

1-12"^[1]

The .356 Winchester is a semi-rimmed, bottle necked, centerfire rifle cartridge which was intended for use in lever action rifles. It was developed concurrently with the .307 Winchester which acted as the parent cartridge. Both cartridges were introduced in 1982 in the then new Model 94 XTR lever action rifle.
The .356 Winchester was developed using the case similar to that of the .308 winchester but which featured a semi-rimmed design so as to operate through a lever action rifle. Hence the .358 Winchester, which is essentially .308 Winchester necked up to accept a .358 in (9.1 mm) bullet is very similar to that of the .356 Winchester, the difference being the design of the rim.
Performance of the .356 Winchester is close to that of the .358 Winchester giving up only 50–100 ft/s (15–30 m/s) with any bullet weight. However, the .356 has a slightly less case capacity that the .358 winchester due to its thicker brass case. Furthermore, heavier bullet will need to be seated more deeply that in the .358 Winchester as the cartridge has to function reliably through a a lever rifles feeding mechanism. For these reasons the factory 250 gr (16 g) bullet looses about 90 ft/s (27 m/s) to the .358 Winchester while the 200 gr (13 g) factory load is only 30 ft/s (9.1 m/s) slower.
The Marlin Model 336ER was offered in .356 Winchester for several years, but was discontinued in 1987. The same year, Winchester ceased production of their Model 94s chambered for .356 Winchester. It was brought back immediately in 1988, but was again discontinued in the mid-1990s.
Despite its nomenclature, the .356 Winchester actually uses a .358 caliber bullet. Olin engineers who developed the .356 Winchester advise against loading it with round-nose bullets.

ain't got no clue why that happened

gendoc · « **Reply #27 on:** December 31, 2011, 02:21:01 PM »

oh-well, i tried

Dinny · « **Reply #28 on:** December 31, 2011, 02:29:51 PM »

I read it fine! In summary, the .356 Win is just short of being the ultimate cartridge for 99% of the US hunting population.

BTW, I have found that with a single-shot rifle, load length is less critical and you can get nearly the same velocities with most bullets if they are seated slightly longer than SAAMI spec. That's why I had mine throated for a 225gr bullet, it's a tad bit longer.

Thanks, Dinny

bikerbeans · « **Reply #29 on:** December 31, 2011, 02:40:27 PM »

Doc,

I think your post on the 356 cured my astigmatism.

I think the 356 vs 35W is kinda like the 7.62x39 versus all da other .308s; folks just like what they like.

BB