Author Topic: Smokeless for the NEF / H & R (Read 1144 times)

RandyWakeman · « **on:** January 17, 2004, 11:59:48 AM »

http://www.smokelessmuzzleloading.com/index.html :eek:

woodseye · « **Reply #1 on:** January 18, 2004, 02:31:59 AM »

Smokeless or as Savage puts it............mess-less Ml'ing

And The Beat Goes On

woods

tuck789 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 18, 2004, 06:24:06 AM »

Are there any other smokeless muzzleloaders out there that are less than 700 bucks? Does anyone know if the encore smokeless barrel is the same barrel but with a modified breech plug. I would think that if one would make a breech plug that rested on the frame to back up the thread strength on the encore that it would be possible to use smokeless. Just an idea.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #3 on:** January 18, 2004, 06:48:01 AM »

Quote from: tuck789

Are there any other smokeless muzzleloaders out there that are less than 700 bucks?

The Savage 10ML-II remains the only production muzzleloader designed for smokeless I'm aware of-- for no more than many quality, "regular" muzzleloaders, and actually less than many.

WNY_Whitetailer · « **Reply #4 on:** February 26, 2004, 03:11:37 PM »

I'll never go smokeless...I just like the smoke and the smell...Darn impressive if I do say so myself.

woodseye · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2004, 12:13:57 AM »

Its not the smoke and the smell that bother me...........its the spit patching and cleaning along with the scope scorching blow-by that annoys me. Plus its really hard to reach 2400fps and still have good shoulder mobility :wink: woods

WNY_Whitetailer · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2004, 12:27:36 AM »

Yup...I know all about that stuff...I protect my scope with a scope protector and some electric tape. 2400 fps? If I wanted those speeds I would use a centerfire :wink:

woodseye · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2004, 10:18:06 AM »

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2400 fps? If I wanted those speeds I would use a centerfire

Unfortunately not during most ML'er seasons I'm aware of. Only guns doing that during ML season up here in Maine are smokeless ML'ers (and they're doing it with a lot less recoil and cost per shot). Eliminates the need for scope protectors and tape as well as cleaning every day or so. Different propellants for different hunters I guess.

woods

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2004, 03:21:52 PM »

Quote from: WNY_Whitetailer

2400 fps? If I wanted those speeds I would use a centerfire :wink:

That's why they call them choices. Roundballs can hit 2400 fps as well, but what does muzzle velocity alone have to do with anything?

donedidit · « **Reply #9 on:** March 06, 2004, 03:06:21 PM »

Quote from: tuck789

I would think that if one would make a breech plug that rested on the frame to back up the thread strength on the encore that it would be possible to use smokeless. Just an idea.

Tuck - Having purchased a 209x50 encore a few months ago, I have been wondering the same. Why doesn't T/C offer a smokeless barrel/breach plug alternative for the encore?

As an alternative to resting the plug on the frame it seems that the use of a brass case, similar to Precision Rifles' 22 Hornet conversion, would provide the necessary seal/reinforcement against the higher smokeless pressures - as in centerfire rifles. It seems like offering a smokeless system would be an easy thing for T/C to do. But I guess if you are able to sell the non-smokeless variety faster than you can make them there may not be any reason to change - yet.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #10 on:** March 06, 2004, 04:07:07 PM »

[quote="donediditTuck] - Having purchased a 209x50 encore a few months ago, I have been wondering the same. Why doesn't T/C offer a smokeless barrel/breach plug alternative for the encore?[/quote]

Little reason to compete against themselves, as the Encore already one of the hottest sellers around-- selling better right now as a muzzleloader than it ever did as a rifle.