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Man murders deputy then released after serving only 18 years.
« on: December 31, 2011, 06:38:50 PM »
http://www.whas11.com/video/featured-videos/Man-convicted-of-killing-sheriff-released-from-prison-on-Friday-136453968.html
 
 
 
Wheres the justice for the deputy or his family and friends?? Too many murders are committed by convicted and freed murderers. Legal?? Maybe, justice?? No way. Right and wrong don't seem to matter anymore. He should have been worm food years ago. POWDERMAN.
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Re: Man murders deputy then released after serving only 18 years.
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2012, 04:41:20 AM »
Murderers in general get light sentences. Not saying drugs are good but a person busted for drugs is likely to get more time than someone who's killed somebody! Where the heck is the logic in that?  It's insane! In my opinion if you kill someone you should get life at the very least! The person you killed isn't ever coming back, not ever, so why the heck  should you be allowed to?

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Re: Man murders deputy then released after serving only 18 years.
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2012, 04:48:51 AM »
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The person you killed isn't ever coming back so why should you be allowed to?

 
SH. Agreed Sir, I also have a problem with supporting them the rest of their lives. 3 squares a day, clothing, shoes, free med care, no bills to pay, cable tv, etc. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Man murders deputy then released after serving only 18 years.
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2012, 05:03:31 AM »
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The person you killed isn't ever coming back so why should you be allowed to?

 
SH. Agreed Sir, I also have a problem with supporting them the rest of their lives. 3 squares a day, clothing, shoes, free med care, no bills to pay, cable tv, etc. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(

Exactly! Why should they be allowed anything they denied their victoms? In my opinion that includes life itself! If found guilty, beyond any doubt, I think a murderer should be executed as soon as possible!

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Re: Man murders deputy then released after serving only 18 years.
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2012, 05:42:20 AM »
An eye for an eye!
 
We all hear that hanging, firing squad, electric chair, gas chamber and lethal injection  is cruel and painful for the person getting it.  What about the pain and suffering of the victims? The heck with the rights of the murderers. Why should they get to file umpteen appeals. Fry 'em at the first opportunity!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2012, 06:04:28 AM »
Well gents.......first we must define "justice"! Our legal system is not about revenge, rehabilitation, or retribution, it is about justice. So it must be precisely defined.
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Re: Man murders deputy then released after serving only 18 years.
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2012, 06:43:09 AM »
Our legal system is not about revenge, rehabilitation, or retribution, it is about justice. So it must be precisely defined.


Yeah, that's what they tell us, that it's about justice.


It ain't. It's about a verdict, and power. Justice is waaaaay down the list.
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2012, 07:05:20 AM »
In theory it's about justice. But in reality it's about who has the best attorney, the most lenient judge, who can play the systom and beat it. True justice is making a punishment fit the crime!

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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2012, 07:29:50 AM »
True justice is making a punishment fit the crime!

Are you sure that's the definition you want to go with? If so how do you propose to keep from becoming as bad as the criminal? Does collective murder make it better than individual murder? Or does it just mean more people are killers? ( I got no answers here, I've been wrestling with this moral dilemma for years.....at one time I suggested to one of my criminal justice professors that the best answer would be to turn the convicted over to the victim or family of the victim to do with as they saw fit. He about had a cow!!!)
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Re: Man murders deputy then released after serving only 18 years.
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2012, 07:54:05 AM »
In theory it's about justice. But in reality it's about who has the best attorney, the most lenient judge, who can play the systom and beat it. True justice is making a punishment fit the crime!

 
BINGO. Brings us right back to unscrupulous lawyers again. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Man murders deputy then released after serving only 18 years.
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2012, 08:23:01 AM »
Pretty simple realy. Executed killers never kill again how ever realeased ones not only do kill again but they do so quite often!

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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2012, 08:46:19 AM »
Pretty simple realy. Executed killers never kill again how ever realeased ones not only do kill again but they do so quite often!

Actually stats show that paroled murders are the criminal LEAST likely to ever reoffend. (a little piece of info I gleaned from my criminal justice courses) News media makes a big deal out of it when one does, but the percentages are in favor of a clean life after after parole on a murder conviction.
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Re: Man murders deputy then released after serving only 18 years.
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2012, 09:36:35 AM »
  I seem to remember reading somewhere that the average time served for murder was someting like 7 or 8 years.  That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.  Not to detract from the loss this victim's family has felt, but at least this guy wasn't out before the victim's kids graduated high school like some are.
 
  As already posted, there are smugglers and drug dealers doing more time than murderers.  Nuts.
 
  Cuts Crooked, that's an intersting tid-bit about killers being among the least likely to re-offend.  Do you know if that refers to their likelyhood to kill again, or to their likelyhood to commit more crimes in general?  Do you recall any sort of reasoning or more details about that trend?  I'm not contesting it,  it just seems so odd that I'd like to know more.  Generally, I think of murderers as being.....avanced criminals. (lack of a better term)  It's not a rookie crime.  I'd think they'd be generally volitile people prone to getting into all sorts of trouble.

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Re: Man murders deputy then released after serving only 18 years.
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2012, 09:41:01 AM »
Pretty simple realy. Executed killers never kill again how ever realeased ones not only do kill again but they do so quite often!

Actually stats show that paroled murders are the criminal LEAST likely to ever reoffend. (a little piece of info I gleaned from my criminal justice courses) News media makes a big deal out of it when one does, but the percentages are in favor of a clean life after after parole on a murder conviction.

Stats may show that but watch the news sometime. I'm constatly hearing of repeat offenders being realeased to commit the same crimes over and over and that includes murder. I doubt you would want to meet one such person, or have a loved one do so.  Stats don't mean much to victoms.

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Re: Man murders deputy then released after serving only 18 years.
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2012, 11:57:19 AM »
The Old Testament is full of advice on what to do with murderers.  For instance, Numbers 35: 30 and 31 state- If anyone kills a person, the murderer is to be put to death based on the word of witnesses.  But no one is to be put to death based on the testimony of one witness.  You are not to accept a ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of killing someone; he must be put to death.


Our "legal system" has become a sick perversion of the Bible.
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« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2012, 12:50:56 PM »

Stats may show that but watch the news sometime. I'm constatly hearing of repeat offenders being realeased to commit the same crimes over and over and that includes murder. I doubt you would want to meet one such person, or have a loved one do so. 

Like I said earlier, that's because the media focus on those DO reoffend.

JL, The reason most muderers do not reofffend is because of the nature of the crime. MOST murders are crimes of passion, usually a family member killing a relative. And the offenders are usually not very old. After a period behind bars, they have grown out of the impetuous period of life and are better able to control themselves. Which also brings up another aspect of the media, they don't tend to sensationalize the "common" murder.........they shove "Gang Murder" and Serial Killings in our faces....making it seem like those are the most prevelant types of killings when they are not really.

When a woman gets convicted of murdering her husband, which she did because he was abusive, and goes to prison, she will probably be a model citizen when she gets paroled.....just one example, there are many more I'm sure. A lot of people get convicted of murder under questionable circumstances.

Now.....I am not advocating releasing mass murderers or gang killers on society by any stretch of the imagination, but I am saying that a "one size fits all" approach may not really be "justice".
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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2012, 01:42:27 PM »
I've always been puzzled by the logic of cop killer laws and hate crime laws anyway.   Is the life of a cop more significant than that of say a doctor, a plumber or even a trash collector?  Why are there stiffer penalties for killing a cop?   And what the heck is a hate crime anyway?  If a perp beats someones head in with a pipe or shoots them I doubt they have much love for their victim regardless of their race, creed, sexual orientation or ethnicity.

Murder is a murder, rape is rape, an assault is an assault no matter the races of the parties involved.

You hear folks say all the time everyone is equal or should be treated equally yet these same folks are the ones demanding such laws and hiring quotas and the like favoring their particular flavor of people. 

I just don't get it.
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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2012, 01:57:55 PM »
.... I am saying that a "one size fits all" approach may not really be "justice".
Of course it isn't justice, but it has a certain appeal to those who don't want to be bothered with thinking.


Is the life of a cop more significant than that of say a doctor, a plumber or even a trash collector?
(shrug) the cops seem to think so...
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« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2012, 06:29:46 PM »
I understand that Claude Dallas is walking around a free man now days. He executed two game wardens in Idaho. Women on the jury thought he was cute or something like that. That's justice all right

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Re: Man murders deputy then released after serving only 18 years.
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2012, 03:45:35 AM »
One of the great fallacies we live with is the notion that you can tell a lot about a culture by the way it treats its prisoners. OK, I can accept that, but not without qualifying it by saying that you can tell a lot more about the same culture by the way it treats the victims of crimes.

Probably everyone on this forum personally knows at least one criminal who kept getting lenient treatment as the severity of their crimes escalated to the point of being menacing to society.

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