Author Topic: DOES ONE VOTE COUNT? (Read 1860 times)

IOWA DON · « **on:** January 04, 2012, 04:34:43 PM »

The wife and I went to the caucus for the first time (Iowa). We had other things on the agenda but my wife really wanted to go, so we did. I told her my vote wouldn't make any difference because no one ever wins by just one vote. We both voted for Romney and he won by 8 votes (total for the state). If we had both decided not to go he would still have won by 6 votes. What a waste of time! She just doesn't listen! Seriously, what was the chance of such a close vote? And I don't really like Romney but think he is the only potential candidate who could beat Obama. If there is someone better for doing that, I hope he wins in the other states.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2012, 04:48:58 PM »

Vote early and often.

I think Romney has a problem, he is a liberal acting like a middle of the road, and attacking from the conservitive position and lying about the other candidates.
I also have a problem with the Obama machine saying they do not want to run agaist him, that the Liberal media is picking him.
Obama and The News people WANT Romney. I have a problem with my political enemy (Socilist/ Communists ) picking my candidate. Any Republican the Media advances is not my friend. Either they think Obama can beat him, or if Obama is a lost cause then he is the most liberal of all the Republicans and will advance their adgenda of bigger government, higher taxes, and the myth of man made global warming that is killing our production, raw material gathering, refining of those raw materials, and producing low cost energy that will keep costs and prices down and people working.

srussell · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2012, 04:57:44 PM »

how does the caucues work ? i heard that there were no ballots kinda a write in thing

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2012, 02:51:04 AM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on January 04, 2012, 04:48:58 PM

Vote early and often.
I think Romney has a problem, he is a liberal acting like a middle of the road, and attacking from the conservitive position and lying about the other candidates.
I also have a problem with the Obama machine saying they do not want to run agaist him, that the Liberal media is picking him.
Obama and The News people WANT Romney. I have a problem with my political enemy (Socilist/ Communists ) picking my candidate. Any Republican the Media advances is not my friend. Either they think Obama can beat him, or if Obama is a lost cause then he is the most liberal of all the Republicans and will advance their adgenda of bigger government, higher taxes, and the myth of man made global warming that is killing our production, raw material gathering, refining of those raw materials, and producing low cost energy that will keep costs and prices down and people working.

Well said, the liberal media always push the most liberal Republicans i.e. Mitt Romney, John McCain and George Bush. Be very afraid of any candidate that is the media darling.

teamnelson · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2012, 02:58:47 AM »

One vote counts ... mine does, and to me. At the end of all things I won't be graded on the outcomes, just on my participation in the process. I won't be voting for the winner, I'll be voting for the candidate that I'd be proud to call my President. If he loses, I still win.

And you know what, the fix may be in. In fact, I believe it is. I believe Romney is the progressive candidate for GOP consumption, and he will simply build on Obamas foundation. Whether he or Obama wins won't change the future a bit, except some folks will have a warm fuzzy that an (R) won. That's not enough for me. So I'm going to cast my one "wasted" vote, and sleep well knowing I clung to my principles (bitterly, along with my guns and religion).

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2012, 03:08:50 AM »

No one has said anything about Santorum. What do you guys think of him?

teamnelson · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2012, 03:26:21 AM »

Quote from: Dixie Dude on January 05, 2012, 03:08:50 AM

No one has said anything about Santorum. What do you guys think of him?

From all I've read, he's an evangelical Romney ... only slightly less progressive in his policies. A wise man once said that discernment isn't knowing the difference between right and wrong, it's knowing the difference between right and almost right. Almost right isn't good enough.

powderman · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2012, 04:12:51 AM »

A few yrs back our local sheriffs race was decided by one vote and I remember an election in Evansville Ind that was decided by ONE vote. Yes, one vote can make a difference. Anybody posted the results from Iowa yet?? POWDERMAN.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2012, 04:26:42 AM »

Who are you guys voting for from the current crop? News media and liberals think Romney could beat Obama. Problem is, he is Obama lite. I don't think Ron Paul has a real chance of even winning the Republican nomination. Newt has baggage, and compromises too much with liberals. Bachman would have been ok. Perry might have been ok. So, who even has a chance. Liberalism has been taught in our public schools and news media for years. They seem to pick the candidates not us.

teamnelson · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2012, 04:47:29 AM »

Quote from: Dixie Dude on January 05, 2012, 04:26:42 AM

Liberalism has been taught in our public schools and news media for years.

For me Paul ... because the issue is what you put right there. Liberalism is the prevailing mindset in our country, amongst Republicans and Democrats, amongst those whose voice is given opportunity. Paul will most likely not win, but he's raising awareness on the overarching issues, not just the anklebiters, and he has a large fanbase in folks my kids age. That's good news - they're sick of the MSM and social indoc program of public education. That means we have a chance of reversing the tide of progressive liberalism in society, so maybe we can have a strong candidate with a chance to win in 2016, after winning numerous seats in Congress between now and then. An Obama/Romney win in 2012 will polarize the country, but I fear that's the only hope we will have in the long run. Otherwise we'll just keep swapping liberals in the pilot house, while we hold a beer summit on the lido deck of the Titanic.

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2012, 07:44:13 AM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on January 05, 2012, 02:58:47 AM

One vote counts ... mine does, and to me. At the end of all things I won't be graded on the outcomes, just on my participation in the process. I won't be voting for the winner, I'll be voting for the candidate that I'd be proud to call my President. If he loses, I still win.

And you know what, the fix may be in. In fact, I believe it is. I believe Romney is the progressive candidate for GOP consumption, and he will simply build on Obamas foundation. Whether he or Obama wins won't change the future a bit, except some folks will have a warm fuzzy that an (R) won. That's not enough for me. So I'm going to cast my one "wasted" vote, and sleep well knowing I clung to my principles (bitterly, along with my guns and religion).

Well said TN. I refuse to vote for any liberals just because they have an "R" next to their name.

Ranch13 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2012, 09:02:41 AM »

Quote from: Dixie Dude on January 05, 2012, 04:26:42 AM

Who are you guys voting for from the current crop? News media and liberals think Romney could beat Obama. Problem is, he is Obama lite. I don't think Ron Paul has a real chance of even winning the Republican nomination. Newt has baggage, and compromises too much with liberals. Bachman would have been ok. Perry might have been ok. So, who even has a chance. Liberalism has been taught in our public schools and news media for years. They seem to pick the candidates not us.

The only way that the media gets to pick the candidates is if the voters stay home, thinking their vote doesn't count and fail to fullfill their basic responsibility as a citizen and go vote. Tired of the liberalism taught in schools? Get off the couch and get involved in your school system. Vote out the knuckle heads on the school board, make the changes needed.
I'm still watching , Gingrich is the only one quick enough on his feet to take the fight to Obama in the debates and 30 second sound bites on the news clips. Santorum has some good ideas, but has somethings in his time as a US Senator that concern me a little. Perry,,, we've had enough Texans for president in the last century we can do without any more for another good long while.
But in the end for me it will be anybody but Obama , unless it's Paul and I'ld have to hold my nose along time before I marked a ballot for him.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2012, 10:20:39 AM »

Quote from: Ranch13 on January 05, 2012, 09:02:41 AM

Quote from: Dixie Dude on January 05, 2012, 04:26:42 AM
Who are you guys voting for from the current crop? News media and liberals think Romney could beat Obama. Problem is, he is Obama lite. I don't think Ron Paul has a real chance of even winning the Republican nomination. Newt has baggage, and compromises too much with liberals. Bachman would have been ok. Perry might have been ok. So, who even has a chance. Liberalism has been taught in our public schools and news media for years. They seem to pick the candidates not us.
The only way that the media gets to pick the candidates is if the voters stay home, thinking their vote doesn't count and fail to fullfill their basic responsibility as a citizen and go vote. Tired of the liberalism taught in schools? Get off the couch and get involved in your school system. Vote out the knuckle heads on the school board, make the changes needed.
I'm still watching , Gingrich is the only one quick enough on his feet to take the fight to Obama in the debates and 30 second sound bites on the news clips. Santorum has some good ideas, but has somethings in his time as a US Senator that concern me a little. Perry,,, we've had enough Texans for president in the last century we can do without any more for another good long while.
But in the end for me it will be anybody but Obama , unless it's Paul and I'ld have to hold my nose along time before I marked a ballot for him.

And Newt doesn't have anything in his resume to cause concern?

They all do. Paul has far less than any and the only one that would try and govern from the Constitution.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #13 on:** January 05, 2012, 11:07:01 AM »

For me,
I would like Santorum, Most conservitive
Gingrich - Most government savy (has baggage the ad he did with Madusa
Perry - Do not know enough about him
Bachman - Like her views, but her speaches sound like she should be ending with "Sandimas Football Rules!" (Bill and Teds ecellent adventure referance)
Paul- while he sounds great for Domestic policy, his forgien policy scares me. The we will not be in a war unless and maybe not even is attacked tells our enemies to attack us.

Ranch13 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2012, 11:47:12 AM »

No the "baggage" that Gingrich supposedly has doesn't bother me one bit. Nothing as spooky as the screwball foreign policy that Paul spouts about having. Nothing in Newts past can be as detremental to the country as Paul thinking it's just fine for Iran to have nuclear weapons. Nothing in Newts past as bad for the country as Pauls open borders stance. And surely nothing in Newts past as horrific for the future of this country as Paul taking off on a tangent waging a third party run at the White House and handing Obama another term on a silver platter...

powderman · « **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2012, 12:01:16 PM »

Newt is a rino who hates guns and had at least one affair, an adulterer, now that is what dems look for and admire. He could probably pull a lot of dem votes. POWDERMAN.

Ranch13 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 05, 2012, 12:09:29 PM »

Where did the Newt hates guns part come from? Got any sources on that? We know Romney is on record stating his support for Massachusets gun laws and how they should be everywhere.
I don't think he'll pull alot of hardcore democrat votes, they still hate him for the way he ran Clinton in circles, and the uprising he started with his 94 Contract for America.
From the reporting it looks like Paul pulled more democrats in Iowa than he did anyother group...

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #17 on:** January 05, 2012, 12:22:32 PM »

The Paul group is feircely loyal to him.
In 1950 President Truman madea speach and forgot or read over South Korea in the speach. The Chineses and the North Koreans took this as the United States would not spend Lives or treasury to defend South Korea and we had the North invade the South lasting in an almost 70 year war, most of it cold.
If Paul becomes President and his forgien policy is not to get involved in any forgien war, our enemies will attack any and all of our allies as well as our selves.
I do like how Paul wants to reign in the NON constitutional parts of government. The EPA and the air resource boards are writting, enforcing, and judging their own laws. The call them rules but when they can fine or close a business they are laws and they need to be reigned in. Congress and state legislatures are the ones that need to write the laws for polution, federal and state police need ot enforce the laws, and real courts need to listen to appeals. Right now if you break an AQMD rule and get a fine, and you do not think you deserve the fine, you appeal to the people that made the rule and the fine.

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2012, 02:40:51 PM »

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Where did the Newt hates guns part come from? Got any sources on that?

2 minutes of googling and you can easily come up with Newt's crappy voting record on gun control bills.

1. Voted yes on the "Gun Free School Zones Act", he's in good company with Nancy Pelosi who obviously also voted yes.

2. Voted yes on the "Lautenberg Act".

3. Supports the Brady national gun registry.

4. Supports a national thumb print database which would require gun owners to be fingerprinted before purchasing any firearm.

5. Received a C grade from the GOA.

http://www.nagr.org/Newtvideo.aspx?pid=2

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 05, 2012, 02:47:39 PM »

Quote from: Ranch13 on January 05, 2012, 11:47:12 AM

No the "baggage" that Gingrich supposedly has doesn't bother me one bit. Nothing as spooky as the screwball foreign policy that Paul spouts about having. Nothing in Newts past can be as detremental to the country as Paul thinking it's just fine for Iran to have nuclear weapons. Nothing in Newts past as bad for the country as Pauls open borders stance. And surely nothing in Newts past as horrific for the future of this country as Paul taking off on a tangent waging a third party run at the White House and handing Obama another term on a silver platter...

See my above post. Newt doesn't think the 2nd Amendment means what it says. You'd rather vote for Newt and give up your 2nd Amendment rights than vote for Paul, who has a spotless record on the 2nd Amendment just because Paul doesn't want to keep us in a perpetual state of war?

Ranch13 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 05, 2012, 03:00:22 PM »

The Laughtenburg act, which took firearms away from wife beaters and child abusers doesn't bother me in the least little bit.
The rest of your enterpetation of Newts gun record is a bit skewed.
Did you listen to his speech at the NRA convention this year?
Like I said most of the things that Ron Paul says he would do would melt this country down so fast.
I also firmly believe that if Paul takes off on the third party tangent , the stuff that Obama gets away with in his second term will make his first one look like he didn't even show up for work the first 4 years.

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 05, 2012, 04:24:57 PM »

Quote from: Ranch13 on January 05, 2012, 03:00:22 PM

The Laughtenburg act, which took firearms away from wife beaters and child abusers doesn't bother me in the least little bit.
The rest of your enterpetation of Newts gun record is a bit skewed.
Did you listen to his speech at the NRA convention this year?
Like I said most of the things that Ron Paul says he would do would melt this country down so fast.
I also firmly believe that if Paul takes off on the third party tangent , the stuff that Obama gets away with in his second term will make his first one look like he didn't even show up for work the first 4 years.

Newt can say whatever he wants at the NRA convention, it doesn't erase his voting record. It's not my interpretation of Newt's voting record that's skewed, it's simply Newt's own voting record. He voted yes on the gun free school zones act, a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment. He voted in lock step with the Democrats. You obviously don't seem to care about that. The fact that you agree with the Lautenberg Act shows that you probably don't care much about the 2nd Amendment if you agree with a gun control act written by a Democrat, supported by Democrats and supported by liberal Republicans like Newt and Rick Santorum.

How does it feel to be on the same side as Democrats when it comes to gun control?

powderman · « **Reply #22 on:** January 05, 2012, 04:30:31 PM »

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Newt can say whatever he wants at the NRA convention, it doesn't erase his voting record. It's not my interpretation of Newt's voting record that's skewed, it's simply Newt's own voting record.

YEP. His record speaks for itself. POWDERMAN.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #23 on:** January 05, 2012, 04:55:33 PM »

Quote from: Doublebass73 on January 05, 2012, 02:47:39 PM

Quote from: Ranch13 on January 05, 2012, 11:47:12 AM
No the "baggage" that Gingrich supposedly has doesn't bother me one bit. Nothing as spooky as the screwball foreign policy that Paul spouts about having. Nothing in Newts past can be as detremental to the country as Paul thinking it's just fine for Iran to have nuclear weapons. Nothing in Newts past as bad for the country as Pauls open borders stance. And surely nothing in Newts past as horrific for the future of this country as Paul taking off on a tangent waging a third party run at the White House and handing Obama another term on a silver platter...

See my above post. Newt doesn't think the 2nd Amendment means what it says. You'd rather vote for Newt and give up your 2nd Amendment rights than vote for Paul, who has a spotless record on the 2nd Amendment just because Paul doesn't want to keep us in a perpetual state of war?

I would rather vote for Newt than allow Obama another 4 years. Newt may want you to register your guns in a national data base but Obama wants your guns. I think you will see gun grabs and laws when he looses in November and if he wins an out right ban or an EPA attack on the gun industry to close them. Remember what the liberals can not pass in the ballot box they will legislate, adjudicate, or use burocracy to eliminate your rights. Not just your 2nd amendment rights but all your rights. The 1st amendment only applies if you agree with him.
We all need to agree a 3rd party run by Paul or Trump will seat Obama in a 2nd term.

Ranch13 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 05, 2012, 05:15:45 PM »

Quote from: Doublebass73 on January 05, 2012, 04:24:57 PM

Quote from: Ranch13 on January 05, 2012, 03:00:22 PM
The Laughtenburg act, which took firearms away from wife beaters and child abusers doesn't bother me in the least little bit.
The rest of your enterpetation of Newts gun record is a bit skewed.
Did you listen to his speech at the NRA convention this year?
Like I said most of the things that Ron Paul says he would do would melt this country down so fast.
I also firmly believe that if Paul takes off on the third party tangent , the stuff that Obama gets away with in his second term will make his first one look like he didn't even show up for work the first 4 years.

Newt can say whatever he wants at the NRA convention, it doesn't erase his voting record. It's not my interpretation of Newt's voting record that's skewed, it's simply Newt's own voting record. He voted yes on the gun free school zones act, a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment. He voted in lock step with the Democrats. You obviously don't seem to care about that. The fact that you agree with the Lautenberg Act shows that you probably don't care much about the 2nd Amendment if you agree with a gun control act written by a Democrat, supported by Democrats and supported by liberal Republicans like Newt and Rick Santorum.

How does it feel to be on the same side as Democrats when it comes to gun control?

Feels alot better than it must feel to think some jerk that gets his jolly's out of beatin women and kids is someone that still has the right to possess a firearm.
How's it feel to be on the side of a wife beater?

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #25 on:** January 06, 2012, 01:49:18 AM »

For you guys information, I home schooled. When I didn't, I was involved. My wife worked for a Republican state senator, helped with his election. I am off my butt. What are you guys doing?

teamnelson · « **Reply #26 on:** January 06, 2012, 02:38:07 AM »

Re: laughtenberg act, the 2a makes no distinction as to the character of the bearer of an arm because it's a natural law protected, not a federal law granted. The strength of that view is it defeats subjective disarmament. Alot of evils have been done in the name of protecting women and children. The act did not take away the criminal intent or means, seriously. They still have their fists, and can buy a gun illegally through the contacts they made in prison. Solved nothing. But it set up the precedent that if I can demonize you, I can take your guns too because bad people shouldn't have them. I think prochoicers are a threat to women, children and the disadvantaged poor, can I disarm them? Think larger than the heat of the moment. As smart as Newt sounds, he is always driven by the moment.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #27 on:** January 06, 2012, 04:39:08 AM »

If Ron Paul wins the GOP I really think he would stand a chance against BHO. What you need to remember is that the young voter crowd is pulling for Paul right now. And while they are not the deciding vote in the matter, it should be rememberd that the minority in this country can very easily bring their point of view to the center stage and make it into a big issue. It happens w/ the minority communities in various cities. It happens w/ homosexual citizens making a big scene. The Occupy movement... and so on and so on.

I wouldn't unsell Paul just yet. While his supporters are technically in the minority of the GOP, they are very dedicated and very vocal.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #28 on:** January 06, 2012, 05:11:02 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on January 06, 2012, 04:17:34 AM

Quote from: TeamNelson on January 05, 2012, 04:47:29 AM
Quote from: Dixie Dude on January 05, 2012, 04:26:42 AM
Liberalism has been taught in our public schools and news media for years.

For me Paul ... because the issue is what you put right there. Liberalism is the prevailing mindset in our country, amongst Republicans and Democrats, amongst those whose voice is given opportunity. Paul will most likely not win, but he's raising awareness on the overarching issues, not just the anklebiters, and he has a large fanbase in folks my kids age. That's good news - they're sick of the MSM and social indoc program of public education. That means we have a chance of reversing the tide of progressive liberalism in society, so maybe we can have a strong candidate with a chance to win in 2016, after winning numerous seats in Congress between now and then. An Obama/Romney win in 2012 will polarize the country, but I fear that's the only hope we will have in the long run. Otherwise we'll just keep swapping liberals in the pilot house, while we hold a beer summit on the lido deck of the Titanic.
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OK, that's about the size of it-- and Rick Santorum is no different--actually worse. Here he is admitting that he is a 'fascist'.... ...reallly!

[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/1Gwwmm-cQxU[/embed]
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Meanwhile, since the TPTB wants this to be a close horserace down to the wire... ....here's a critique on how Rick Santorum rolls,,,ranked about the most corrupt Senator in Congress starting around page 206.....
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http://www.citizensforethics.org/page/-/PDFs/Reports/CREW_Beyond_Delay_Report_20060920.pdf?nocdn=1

....TM7

Thanks for posting that video..............There you have it! From the horses mouth!I'm curious, and want to hear the Rick Santorum supporters try and defend these ant-American statements from him? Only thing I can think of that would be worse than four more years of Obama, would be four more years of GW.

Ranch13 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 06, 2012, 05:12:05 AM »

Yes and the younger voters need to know that this isn't T Ball, scores (votes) do count and are kept, and second place is where the looser is....