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BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« on: January 05, 2012, 03:09:57 AM »
Ive been trying search to no avail.  I know Ranger Rick used to make some real monsters, like a 700 grainer or something.  Maybe bigger than that.  Sice he's no longer casting bullets does anyone know where I can get some BIG .458 cast bullets.
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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2012, 03:57:48 AM »
Ive been trying search to no avail.  I know Ranger Rick used to make some real monsters, like a 700 grainer or something.  Maybe bigger than that.  Sice he's no longer casting bullets does anyone know where I can get some BIG .458 cast bullets.

Western Bullet Company sells some over 500 grains and up to 630 grains. 

LINK:  http://westernbullet.com/45riflecaliber.html

I use these WBC's 500 grainers and they are very nice and have a decent price.

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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2012, 05:44:06 AM »
Jae-bok Young has some 550gr bore riders.

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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 06:26:57 AM »
I've never used anything above 405.  I'm just curious though, when is T-Rex season in LA??? ;D ;D ;D
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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 06:33:33 AM »
Jason,
With my 45 cal rifles, anything larger than a 535 grain Postel is questionable for stability.   If you search this forum I think there was a thread last summer that discussed the deposition of Ranger Ricks' moulds.  IIRC, a caster in Arkansas bought some or all of his moulds.  Hopefully someone will remember who it was.
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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2012, 08:09:38 AM »
BB,
 
When you say "your 45-70 rifles", what rifles, if you don't mind, are you talking about?  The reason I ask is I have a Lyman mould that goes 565 grains.  I haven't shot it yet so I don't know if it'll work in my Marlin and H&R rifles.
 
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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2012, 08:17:41 AM »
Jae-bok Young has some 550gr bore riders.

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Thank you very much for that link. Besides .459's I have also been looking for samples of other bullets to try and he has them!

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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 08:59:25 AM »
Don't laugh, but I used 500's on prairie dogs once.
I'm a pretty non-traditional prairie dog hunter.  I like to turn the clock back at least 75 or more years.   ;D


I've never used anything above 405.  I'm just curious though, when is T-Rex season in LA??? ;D ;D ;D

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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 01:48:49 PM »
The 535 Postell is the biggest I've tried. It seems marginal in the handi rifle, and you will feel it when you squeeze the trigger
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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2012, 05:16:57 PM »
Thanks, Tim.  Just what I was looking for.
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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2012, 08:02:30 PM »
Check out mattsbullets.com they have a 510 grain 45-70 and 700 grain bullet for the 500 smith
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2012, 08:06:24 PM »
He is the one rhat bought ranger rick molds
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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2012, 08:34:38 PM »
Jason, don't do that to me! When I read 700 grainer for the 500 Smith, I initially interpreted that as a 700 gr bullet for the 50 Smith. I thought to myself "How the H### is that going to work?" Then I realized you were saying 500 S&W. My bad, but at least I can laugh at myself.
LOL...a 700 grainer would probably blow this thing wide open!  ;D
 

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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2012, 08:43:22 PM »
nah, it'd stand up to it, once or twice...


hee hee most likely the 700 grainer would not have the velocity to clear the barrel, and if it did I suspect it would be well below 600 fps
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2012, 08:50:27 PM »
It would definitely recock the hammer for me  :)

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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2012, 12:00:41 AM »
I've shot 535 grn Postee's out of a 32" Buffalo using Black Powder.  They sure do let you know when their leaving   :o !
 
For my other 45-70's I stick with the 405's.  They don't say good by so vigorously  ;) .

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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2012, 02:29:46 AM »
I've shot 535 grn Postee's out of a 32" Buffalo using Black Powder.  They sure do let you know when their leaving   :o !
 
For my other 45-70's I stick with the 405's.  They don't say good by so vigorously  ;) .

+1 on that TopperT.

My question is why? ???   "Swampy", Brent, (thejanitor), myself and many others here shoot the 405 over 4198 at velocities from sub-sonic to two grand plus very accurately and comfortably.  As has been stated, it will take down anything in North America and most African game.  What is the point in shooting heavier bullets, sacrificing velocity, trajectory and accuracy.  Not to mention cost.  Sorry, I'll stick with my 405s.

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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2012, 02:37:45 AM »
I've shot 535 grn Postee's out of a 32" Buffalo using Black Powder.  They sure do let you know when their leaving   :o !
 
For my other 45-70's I stick with the 405's.  They don't say good by so vigorously  ;) .

+1 on that TopperT.

My question is why? ???   "Swampy", Brent, (thejanitor), myself and many others here shoot the 405 over 4198 at velocities from sub-sonic to two grand plus very accurately and comfortably.  As has been stated, it will take down anything in North America and most African game.  What is the point in shooting heavier bullets, sacrificing velocity, trajectory and accuracy.  Not to mention cost.  Sorry, I'll stick with my 405s.

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The Postells are meant to be long range target bullets but I am sure they would kill a critter just fine.  At the ranges most folks hunt with a 45-70 the Postell wouldn't make much since.  I like Postells because they make a really loud "thump" on the steel backstop at my club. ;D
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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2012, 04:01:37 AM »

My question is why? ???   "Swampy", Brent, (thejanitor), myself and many others here shoot the 405 over 4198 at velocities from sub-sonic to two grand plus very accurately and comfortably.  As has been stated, it will take down anything in North America and most African game.  What is the point in shooting heavier bullets, sacrificing velocity, trajectory and accuracy.  Not to mention cost.  Sorry, I'll stick with my 405s.

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In my case, I originally tried some 500 grain PB bullets along with some 405 and 415 gas checks and some 300 grain JHP's when I first bought my Buffalo Classic.  This was the first 45-70 I had ever owned and for which I had ever loaded.  The first few times out to the range, I found the 500's to shoot the most accurately followed by 300 grain jacketed bullets.  I still haven't found a good load for my BC using the 400 grain range bullets. 
For me, the plus side of using 500 grain bullets is that they don't use all that much powder AND I can use the same powder that I use in my revolver loads and more.....that being 2400.

I will say this; I was somewhat disappointed when I took that rifle out in the field to do my annual tinkering with prairie dogs.  With my tang sight set at it's highest setting, I could only get about 125 yards out of those 500 grain bullets.  I either need to buy a new sight that is 4 inches tall or just stick with the 300 grain bullets for any longer distance shooting.    In all honesty though, those 500 grain bullets are really fun to shoot.
So why do I use them???   FUN!!!  Isn't that the main reason why we all have become shooters?   ;)

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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2012, 06:12:48 AM »
This stability calculator says the 720gr Ranger Ricks will stabilize just fine in the 1:20" twist H&R even at 750fps which is probably about what can be done in an unthroated 45-70, the bullet is 1.67" long!  Tyler is the only one that I know of that shot a few of mine in his 45-120 that said they keyholed, but they may have just been too small in diameter to shoot well, they're .4575".

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2012, 06:46:56 AM »
I've never used anything above 405.  I'm just curious though, when is T-Rex season in LA??? ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2012, 02:25:47 AM »
In my case, I originally tried some 500 grain PB bullets along with some 405 and 415 gas checks and some 300 grain JHP's when I first bought my Buffalo Classic.  This was the first 45-70 I had ever owned and for which I had ever loaded.  The first few times out to the range, I found the 500's to shoot the most accurately followed by 300 grain jacketed bullets.  I still haven't found a good load for my BC using the 400 grain range bullets. 
For me, the plus side of using 500 grain bullets is that they don't use all that much powder AND I can use the same powder that I use in my revolver loads and more.....that being 2400.

I will say this; I was somewhat disappointed when I took that rifle out in the field to do my annual tinkering with prairie dogs.  With my tang sight set at it's highest setting, I could only get about 125 yards out of those 500 grain bullets.  I either need to buy a new sight that is 4 inches tall or just stick with the 300 grain bullets for any longer distance shooting.    In all honesty though, those 500 grain bullets are really fun to shoot.
So why do I use them???   FUN!!!  Isn't that the main reason why we all have become shooters?   ;)

 
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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2012, 04:44:30 AM »
Montana Bullet Works has many  cast bullets for the 45/70 over 405 . I tried several before settling on a 500 gr bullet using a SAECO mold #883, this bullet is a round nose bullet with a double diameter design which will allow you to load it using black powder and have a lot of room in the case. I have shot it with black powder in my Handi and it shoots very well, right now i am loading AA5744 and can very easily duplicate the bp velocities. The second bullet over 405 grs that i use is a Lee mold, it looks like a postel desgin to me and they weigh about 495 grains when i cast them. My Handi's like both bullets but they really shine in my 1873 Springfield rifles, one is the H&R Officers model and i use the Lee postel bullet in it. I use the SAECO 883 500 gr bullet in my 1873 Springfield Navy Arms Infrantry rifle. If you arent a bullet caster, they have reasonalble prices for their bullets, i am sure you will find the bullet your looking for at MBW's....JimP.

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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2012, 07:38:13 PM »
Ive been trying search to no avail.  I know Ranger Rick used to make some real monsters, like a 700 grainer or something.  Maybe bigger than that.  Sice he's no longer casting bullets does anyone know where I can get some BIG .458 cast bullets.
I have a stash on them and some of his other. 458 if ya need some an the 720gr ones.

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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 07:58:19 PM »
Ok I just gotta ask


What the heck do you use a 720 grain bullet launched ( or lobbed ) from a .45-70 for??  I am sure there is some intent, but I cannot imagine...


Don't get me wrong I like the heavy for caliber bullets for their BC and down range energy, but a 720 grain bullet at Tim's projected 750 fps delivers 900 ft lbs at the muzzle.  A max Trapdoor level load of 50.0 gr of Varget with a 405 grain bullet gives a velocity of 1720 fps, and a muzzle energy of 2,655 ftlbs.

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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2012, 02:59:54 AM »
Speaking of Tyler, where is he?
Haven't heard anything from him in a long time.
 
 
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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2012, 01:56:25 PM »
Ok I just gotta ask


What the heck do you use a 720 grain bullet launched ( or lobbed ) from a .45-70 for??  I am sure there is some intent, but I cannot imagine...


Don't get me wrong I like the heavy for caliber bullets for their BC and down range energy, but a 720 grain bullet at Tim's projected 750 fps delivers 900 ft lbs at the muzzle.  A max Trapdoor level load of 50.0 gr of Varget with a 405 grain bullet gives a velocity of 1720 fps, and a muzzle energy of 2,655 ftlbs.
Some guys like them in there 45-70's and other like them in there .458 Win Mag.
 
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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2012, 01:58:44 PM »
Speaking of Tyler, where is he?
Haven't heard anything from him in a long time.
 
 
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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2012, 02:34:24 PM »
Speaking of Tyler, where is he?
Haven't heard anything from him in a long time.
 
 
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Re: BIG 45-70 cast bullets
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2012, 02:45:42 PM »
maybe spending all his time and money on the books?

Yeah... right...  ::)
 
Let me introduce you to the term for what gets every college boy's time and money: CO ED's!   :P  I think Tyler's hormones just kicked in.   ;D  I'd worry about the boy if the only thing he wanted to fondle was his 45-120!   ;)
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