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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2012, 04:59:22 AM »
I'm not worried about going after deer with it I have a 12 gauge pump slug gun with a 4x Leupold that has served quite well and keeps the venison on the table and in my state they would hang me for using a 410 I was more so just doing it for fun to see what it would do. I shot bird shot in it as well and it seemed to pattern nice and tight and its killed a fair number of grouse for me over the years so I have no lack of confidence in that department. For a $50 shotgun i'm not going to complain it has served me well.

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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2012, 07:21:32 AM »
  I bought my grandaughter a Rossi .410/.22 combo when she was about 7 yrs old.  That little .410 handles slugs very well..enough so I might try woodchucks up to 50 yards. Of course, I only tried one brand (WW), so i don't know how it would work with Rems, Feds or Brennekes...
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2012, 11:54:07 AM »
Well nothing wrong with those results. If it shoots it well no reason to mess with the others at today's prices.

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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2012, 04:04:27 PM »
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I can understand if one wants to "tinker' with a .410, and Brenneke slugs may well help; but if one were to move up a notch, to a 20 guage..then we are talking about some real deer knockdown power.  ..And it's not expensive to do if it's H&R..and you can find a barrel here on GBO classified.

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I agree, the 20 is a huge step up from a 410. 410 and deer in my mind needs to be prefaced with the "short range" caveat. The 410 does have its place in deer hunting where legal. In my case that's all the recoil that both of my daughters could handle so the 410 meant the difference between great days in the field deer hunting with my girls or having them stay home and play video games all day.
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2012, 06:52:58 PM »
My handloaded 410 slug is a 310 grain LWNGC @ 1800+ FPS out of a Winchester AA-HS Hull.  :o   Note: Gun is an SB2 with a modified 444M barrel.   
 
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2012, 11:32:26 PM »
My handloaded 410 slug is a 310 grain LWNGC @ 1800+ FPS out of a Winchester AA-HS Hull.  :o   Note: Gun is an SB2 with a modified 444M barrel.   
 
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Thats one STOMPIN" "410" shell!!  ::) ::)
 
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2012, 12:04:46 PM »
 BB;
   Now, that definitely is a 'different breed of cat'..
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2012, 12:13:12 PM »
I got a "magnum" verision of this in the works.  Hopefully will have something to post in a couple of months.
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2012, 01:26:08 PM »
Since getting my 20's I havent used the 410; I can find or make a 20ga load for everything within reason, after that its .727 Ol' Ugly Overkill.
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2012, 03:21:35 AM »
Hey dannyfro! I shot this outta my sons old mod.88  410 last year. the federal slugs didn't do so good, but those 2 1/2" winchesters shoot pretty good! That was from about 27yds. scout4

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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2012, 05:12:35 AM »
Hey dannyfro! I shot this outta my sons old mod.88  410 last year. the federal slugs didn't do so good, but those 2 1/2" winchesters shoot pretty good! That was from about 27yds. scout4

Try some Breneke's!  They have shot will in a couple of my .410s thru the years.
 
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2012, 08:28:59 AM »
Looks like better results than mine. Not to worried about the slugs. At over a buck a piece it starts to get spendy.

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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2012, 10:07:14 PM »
My handloaded 410 slug is a 310 grain LWNGC @ 1800+ FPS out of a Winchester AA-HS Hull.  :o   Note: Gun is an SB2 with a modified 444M barrel.   
 
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Im curious, what does LWNGC stand for?  I got the Lead and the Gas Check but that is about it.  Is WN a Wide Nose? :-[

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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2012, 11:53:09 PM »
My handloaded 410 slug is a 310 grain LWNGC @ 1800+ FPS out of a Winchester AA-HS Hull.  :o   Note: Gun is an SB2 with a modified 444M barrel.   
 
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Im curious, what does LWNGC stand for?  I got the Lead and the Gas Check but that is about it.  Is WN a Wide Nose? :-[

Thats what I guessed.. Lead, Wide, Nosed, Gas, Check bullet...
 
I would like to hear MORE about it too!!
 
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2012, 02:08:17 PM »
I believe it's Long Wide Nose Gas Check.
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2012, 11:41:54 AM »
too bad someone doesn't make a Minie ball mold in 41 caliber.    Weight forward and a wide skirt at the base just might stabilize it somewhat out of a smoothbore......
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2012, 04:57:45 PM »
too bad someone doesn't make a Minie ball mold in 41 caliber.    Weight forward and a wide skirt at the base just might stabilize it somewhat out of a smoothbore......

Lee's SWC loaded backwards might work quite well.  Especially if you use a wad base to push it out.  ;)
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2012, 10:06:40 AM »



   I saw a blog post not long ago where someone was using a standard 158 gr SWC bullet placed in a standard shot cup and loaded as usual.  There were no field tests, but function tests said it shot fine in a full choked gun.
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #48 on: March 12, 2012, 09:16:37 AM »
I took my nephew's smoothbore leveled it up and used gorrila glue to attach fiber optic sights that came off a muzzleloader,ended up getting 1 1/2" groups at 40yds

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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #49 on: March 12, 2012, 03:46:42 PM »
Nothing wrong with those results! Sounds like you got it dialed in.

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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2012, 05:38:55 AM »
I have used these in the past and they are a nasty little round... When messing around with them up at hunting camp I shot a 4x4 oak post at 20 yrds and it went clear though it


http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-3213-brenneke-usa-close-encounter-410-bore-2-12-14-oz-rifled-slug-ammunition.aspx


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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2012, 07:32:00 PM »
I also cut my 410 barrel back passed the choke to make a slug gun. I added both  front and back rifle sights. The gun looks more like a carbine than a shot gun. I reload brass 410 shells with black powder and a patched 380. round ball. I need to slug this barrel also to determine what size slug will fit.  I also reload with #5 shot and it makes a dandy squirrel load.

I know this is an old post, but could you fill mein on the details of the patched round ball load? Kind of curious if I can make the same idea work in a 20 guage, though I might use smokeless, pyrodex, or 777. If I ever get around to making some black, might try that as well.

Basically I'm always looking for ways to remove "manufacturer only" parts from the equation... in this case that would be plastic shot cups. So was wondering what the details on your load is?

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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2012, 07:36:25 PM »
After a while of deer hunting only, expecially if you have put one in the freezer, you get tired of passing up on the other stuff.  Next season I will rifle hunt for the first half of the season then switch to my 12 Ga Partner (or 20 if I can find a barrel) for the rest of the season.  When I was in the Army we hunted "game of opportunity" carrying "sixes and slugs".

Just curious, why would you choose the 20 over the 12? 

My H&R is a 20... bought it when I really thought I was going to end up living in the car... had they had a 12 on the rack... would've bought that. Almost went for the Pardner Pump in 12, but didn't want to let the $$$ go.

Now that things are better, I keep regretting it's a 20, not a 12.  But I'm now in Ca. where everything gun related is a complete PITA, LOL!

But yes, 6's and slugs + sidearm strikes me as great way to go.

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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2012, 04:17:27 AM »
For me, the 20 is a way more 'civilized' load, with a plentiful selection and availability of loads everywhere. If I 'need' more payload, some 3" 20s will carry about as much as a 12. FWIW, I dont hunt ducks or geese, so the 20 has done everything Ive asked of it to satisfaction.
If you want to shoot big round balls, even patched, it isnt recommended in a choked barrel, unless you want to chance splitting the muzzle. The best accuracy will be likely from a snug fit in a cylinder bore, so if you can get that from a RB, patched or not, that fits into a case long enough to fill the chamber and not let it jump a gap (so maybe use 3" hulls that you verify chamber length with). I made a loading block and soaked some patching in a lube/beeswax mix, placed it on the block, pressed in a RB, folded the patch over and snipped it off. The snipped end was an easy press fit down over the ball and stuck on well. Ths let me use a RB size I had and a patch thickness to get the bore fit I wanted.
If the proper RB or patched RB fit cant fit into a case, you COULD (aint sayin you Should) drop a ball into the forcing cone (slightly oversize to the bore, so it doesnt move downbore thus creating an obstruction) and follow it with a charged and wadded hull, shortened if needed to fit behind the ball. The obvious danger in this is if you decide not to shoot it and remove the charged hull without removing the RB, then load a shotshell as normal (if it would fit, so CHECK IT). Sure dont want somebody blowing up a gun/themselves for a lapse of common sense.
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Re: 410 With slugs?
« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2012, 06:37:09 PM »
For me, the 20 is a way more 'civilized' load, with a plentiful selection and availability of loads everywhere. If I 'need' more payload, some 3" 20s will carry about as much as a 12. FWIW, I dont hunt ducks or geese, so the 20 has done everything Ive asked of it to satisfaction.
If you want to shoot big round balls, even patched, it isnt recommended in a choked barrel, unless you want to chance splitting the muzzle. The best accuracy will be likely from a snug fit in a cylinder bore, so if you can get that from a RB, patched or not, that fits into a case long enough to fill the chamber and not let it jump a gap (so maybe use 3" hulls that you verify chamber length with). I made a loading block and soaked some patching in a lube/beeswax mix, placed it on the block, pressed in a RB, folded the patch over and snipped it off. The snipped end was an easy press fit down over the ball and stuck on well. Ths let me use a RB size I had and a patch thickness to get the bore fit I wanted.
If the proper RB or patched RB fit cant fit into a case, you COULD (aint sayin you Should) drop a ball into the forcing cone (slightly oversize to the bore, so it doesnt move downbore thus creating an obstruction) and follow it with a charged and wadded hull, shortened if needed to fit behind the ball. The obvious danger in this is if you decide not to shoot it and remove the charged hull without removing the RB, then load a shotshell as normal (if it would fit, so CHECK IT). Sure dont want somebody blowing up a gun/themselves for a lapse of common sense.

Agreed, wouldn't want to risk blowing the gun up. I was thinking that the patch would let me use a safer sided round ball, without having to use a modern plastic wad.

Thing is, I get mixed messages about loading for shotguns...

On the one hand you read and see the youtubes of people firing just about anything out of them... doing all sorts of things that the other camp... the "change anything by even a .0001 of an inch and a pressure spike is likely" camp... absolutely panics over.

I grew up reading the books that the second camp comes from, so like it or not, I'm in the "worried about safety" camp. Yet I see things that make me wonder.

Of course that might just be testimony that gun makers know there are folks that will try anything, out there. So's they build them a little stronger than needed?