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Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« on: January 08, 2012, 10:20:37 AM »
If you want to read, see or hear about Ron Paul, you have to visit the internet.
My goodness! The main stream media must really be afraid of the man.I went to three big main stream news giants and it's as though he isn't even in NH ::)  The Janitors of Fox and ABC studios get more news coverage.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2012, 02:35:24 PM »
Alot of people would have done it for 3.
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 05:19:00 AM »
google search gives lots of info on a soros/paul connection.
I support newt,  but,  show me a republican candidate who has NOT lied, and I will vote for him/her.
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 07:54:43 AM »
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/ron-paul-on-barney-frank-panel-for-defense-cuts-george-soros-ties-sustainable-defense-task-force-institute-for-policy-studies-paper-obama-rule-through-executive-orders/

RP sure wouldn't associate with billionares ::)

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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 08:08:05 AM »
sometimes we are judged by the company we keep.
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2012, 04:04:02 PM »
google search gives lots of info on a soros/paul connection.
I support newt,  but,  show me a republican candidate who has NOT lied, and I will vote for him/her.

You don't mind supporting a candidate who has voted multiple times to violate the 2nd Amendment?
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 03:27:58 AM »
google search gives lots of info on a soros/paul connection.
I support newt,  but,  show me a republican candidate who has NOT lied, and I will vote for him/her.

You don't mind supporting a candidate who has voted multiple times to violate the 2nd Amendment?
when bloombergs mayor coalition tried to shut down the gun maker industry with frivilous lawsuits, congress passed a law to stop those suits. ron paul voted no along with the democrats.
don't think that he's the champion of constitutional rights.
I'll save his lies about abortion for another thread.
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2012, 05:11:41 AM »
google search gives lots of info on a soros/paul connection.
I support newt,  but,  show me a republican candidate who has NOT lied, and I will vote for him/her.

You don't mind supporting a candidate who has voted multiple times to violate the 2nd Amendment?
when bloombergs mayor coalition tried to shut down the gun maker industry with frivilous lawsuits, congress passed a law to stop those suits. ron paul voted no along with the democrats.
don't think that he's the champion of constitutional rights.
I'll save his lies about abortion for another thread.

 
 
 
 
Lets hear it from the man you would label gungrabber :o
 
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Mr. Speaker, I rise today as a firm believer in the Second amendment and an opponent of all federal gun laws. In fact, I have introduced legislation, the Second Amendment Restoration Act (HR 153), which repeals misguided federal gun control laws such as the Brady Bill and the assault weapons ban. I believe the Second amendment is one of the foundations of our constitutional liberties. However, Mr. Speaker, another foundation of those liberties is the oath all of us took to respect constitutional limits on federal power. While I understand and sympathize with the goals of the proponents of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (HR 1036), this bill exceeds those constitutional limitations, and so I must oppose it.
It is long past time for Congress to recognize that not every problem requires a federal solution. This country's founders understood the need to separate power between federal, state, and local governments to maximize individual liberty and make government most responsive to citizens. The reservation of most powers to the states strictly limited the role of the federal government in dealing with civil liability matters; it reserved jurisdiction over matters of civil tort, such as alleged gun-related negligence suits, to the state legislatures.
While I am against the federalization of tort reform, I must voice my complete disapproval of the very nature of these suits brought against gun manufacturers. Lawsuits for monetary damages from gun violence should be filed against the perpetrators of those crimes, not gun manufacturers! Holding manufacturers liable for harm they could neither foresee nor prevent is irresponsible and outlandish. The company that makes a properly functioning product in accordance with the law is acting lawfully, and thus should not be taken to court because of misuse by the purchaser (or in many cases, by a criminal who stole the weapon). Clearly these lawsuits are motivated not by a concern for justice, but by a search for deep pockets and a fanatical anti-gun political agenda.
However, Mr. Speaker, the most disturbing aspect of these lawsuits is the idea that guns, which are inanimate objects, are somehow responsible for crimes. HR 1036 shifts the focus away from criminals and their responsibility for their actions. It adds to the cult of irresponsibility that government unfortunately so often promotes. This further erodes the ethics of individual responsibility for one's own actions that must form the basis of a free and moral society. The root problem of violence is not the gun in the hand, but the gun in the heart: each person is accountable for the deeds that flow out of his or her own heart. One can resort to any means available to commit a crime, such as knives, fertilizer, pipes, or baseball bats. Should we start suing the manufacturers of these products as well because they are used in crimes? Of course not — the implications are preposterous.
Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would remind my fellow supporters of gun rights that using unconstitutional federal powers to restrict state gun lawsuits makes it more likely those same powers will be used to restrict our gun rights. Despite these lawsuits, the number one threat to gun ownership remains a federal government freed of its constitutional restraints. Expanding that government in any way, no matter how just the cause may seem, is not in the interests of gun owners or lovers of liberty.
In conclusion, while I share the concern over the lawsuits against gun manufacturers, which inspired HR 1036, this bill continues the disturbing trend toward federalization of tort law. Enhancing the power of the federal government is not in the long-term interests of defenders of the Second amendment and other constitutional liberties. Therefore, I must oppose this bill.
 
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2012, 05:19:48 AM »
RP is no different than any other politition.  he voted NO on the law I referenced.  he spreads as much BS as newt or anyone.  but he is better than obama.
why can't folks admit that RP is not perfect.  If they would, I might look at him again.
It's his followers that turned me against him.  I've been called names, I've been called stupid and you want me to become one of you? no thanks.

in your copy of his speech, he uses some really skewed logic in his argument about the lawsuits.
without that law, gunmaking would have ended in the U.S.
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2012, 07:10:23 AM »

why can't folks admit that RP is not perfect.  If they would, I might look at him again.
It's his followers that turned me against him.  I've been called names, I've been called stupid and you want me to become one of you? no thanks.


Ok....Paul is not perfect! Does that help? Regarding: 
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It's his followers that turned me against him.  I've been called names, I've been called stupid and you want me to become one of you? no thanks.
Well..... I can say the same thing about the Romney and Newt disciples!
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2012, 09:01:46 AM »

why can't folks admit that RP is not perfect.  If they would, I might look at him again.
It's his followers that turned me against him.  I've been called names, I've been called stupid and you want me to become one of you? no thanks.


Ok....Paul is not perfect! Does that help? Regarding: 
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It's his followers that turned me against him.  I've been called names, I've been called stupid and you want me to become one of you? no thanks.
Well..... I can say the same thing about the Romney and Newt disciples!
I have never called any republican stupid because they don't support the person that I do.
that kind of behavior is out of line.  I don't see arrogance in anyone except RP supporters.
It reminds me of the church of christ, who think they are the only ones going to heaven. they can be very arrogant when discussing any other denomination.
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2012, 09:44:37 AM »
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I have never called any republican stupid because they don't support the person that I do.

I'm sure YOU haven't, but others here have, sometimes using nicer verbiage....but to that effect nevertheless.

You didn't answer my first query.......does that help?
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2012, 09:54:03 AM »
google search gives lots of info on a soros/paul connection.
I support newt,  but,  show me a republican candidate who has NOT lied, and I will vote for him/her.

better not hold your breath  ;)
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2012, 09:55:47 AM »
No matter who is running, it will always be a lessor of 2 evils vote. The bes thing is to pick a candidate that has the most view points in what you as a voter believe in, and vote. Nobody, will ever be the perfect candidate. gypsyman
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2012, 10:08:51 AM »
The best thing is vote to cause gridloc  ;)
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2012, 10:30:22 AM »
The best thing is vote to cause gridloc  ;)
a lot of people do exactly that.  vote for a republican prez, and democrat congress.
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2012, 11:58:10 AM »
RP is no different than any other politition.  he voted NO on the law I referenced.  he spreads as much BS as newt or anyone.  but he is better than obama.
why can't folks admit that RP is not perfect.  If they would, I might look at him again.
It's his followers that turned me against him.  I've been called names, I've been called stupid and you want me to become one of you? no thanks.

in your copy of his speech, he uses some really skewed logic in his argument about the lawsuits.
without that law, gunmaking would have ended in the U.S.


I don't recall anyone on this forum calling RP perfect. In the first place to do so would be branding themselves an idiot.His followers come from a broad segment of voters, with the young becoming more and more supportive of him.Good grief! The man finished with as many delegates as Romney and Santorum in Iowa, and he finished second in NH. Someone out there must like him.....You think? If you like one of the others running fine! Vote for them and don't vote for Paul. That's what the process is all about.Don't expect Ron Paul supporters like me and others on the forum to be silent about him.We see him as the REAL deal! Not some silver spoon fed, Neocon Liberal that's not quite as bad as Obama.We don't buy into the .............Anything is better than Bologna!  We are passionate about Paul, and since he cannot get the credit he deserves from the media, we will keep him visible on the internet. If this gripes anyone, All I can say is........Tough!
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2012, 12:44:41 PM »
google search gives lots of info on a soros/paul connection.
I support newt,  but,  show me a republican candidate who has NOT lied, and I will vote for him/her.

You don't mind supporting a candidate who has voted multiple times to violate the 2nd Amendment?
when bloombergs mayor coalition tried to shut down the gun maker industry with frivilous lawsuits, congress passed a law to stop those suits. ron paul voted no along with the democrats.
don't think that he's the champion of constitutional rights.
I'll save his lies about abortion for another thread.

Nice job dodging my original question by changing the subject and bashing Ron Paul instead.

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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2012, 02:00:09 PM »
I will vote for newt in the primary if he's still running then.
regardless of who gets the republican nomination, that's who will get my vote in november.

I will NOT sit home and pout, or write in someone, or otherwise waste my vote.
in MY opinion, it is unamerican to do so.

If vote wasters allow obama to win.  he WILL consider that a mandate and destroy the constitution, since he believes it's a flawed document.  if that happens, you can blame arrogance, not the republican party.

I will be surprised if this post don't get me banned, but I just tell it like I see it.
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2012, 03:50:03 PM »
I guess I'll take that as a yes, you don't mind supporting a candidate who has voted multiple times to violate the 2nd Amendment.
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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2012, 04:39:30 PM »
And I dont hear any one mentioning Buddy Roemer, I am thinking follow the money! Still think the politicians should wear their sponser patchs on their suits like in Nascar.  It aint about the (Party), its about the job!  Dont need a candidate to be my religious or moral compass, need a candidate to take care of my paycheck!
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2012, 04:57:07 AM »
google search gives lots of info on a soros/paul connection.
I support newt,  but,  show me a republican candidate who has NOT lied, and I will vote for him/her.

You don't mind supporting a candidate who has voted multiple times to violate the 2nd Amendment?
http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Gingrich/Gun-Control.php
any of the candidates will do just fine. they're all at this site.
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2012, 05:10:02 AM »
Newt is moot. ear
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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2012, 03:26:52 PM »
google search gives lots of info on a soros/paul connection.
I support newt,  but,  show me a republican candidate who has NOT lied, and I will vote for him/her.

You don't mind supporting a candidate who has voted multiple times to violate the 2nd Amendment?
http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Gingrich/Gun-Control.php
any of the candidates will do just fine. they're all at this site.
Gingrich sure makes it sound good:



Gingrich is a firm advocate of a citizen's right to bear arms.
"The right to bear arms is not about hunting. It's not about target practice ... The right to bear arms is a political right designed to safeguard freedom so that no government can take away from you the rights that God has given you, and it was written by people who had spent their lifetime fighting the greatest empire in the world and they knew that if they had not had the right to bear arms, they would have been enslaved. And they did not want us to be enslaved. And that is why they guaranteed us the right to protect ourselves. It is a political right of the deepest importance to the survival of freedom in America."

April 29, 2011, speaking at the National Rifle Association's annual convention staged in Pittsburg, Pennsylvania.

The only problem is that his words don't match his voting record. He voted in favor of the famous "Gun Free School Zones Act". A God given right does not end where school zone signs begin. The guy is a fraud, plain and simple. If your vote on gun control legislation matches Nancy Pelosi's vote then there is no way you believe in the 2nd Amendment.
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2012, 03:42:37 PM »
google search gives lots of info on a soros/paul connection.
I support newt,  but,  show me a republican candidate who has NOT lied, and I will vote for him/her.

You don't mind supporting a candidate who has voted multiple times to violate the 2nd Amendment?
http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Gingrich/Gun-Control.php
any of the candidates will do just fine. they're all at this site.
Gingrich sure makes it sound good:



Gingrich is a firm advocate of a citizen's right to bear arms.
"The right to bear arms is not about hunting. It's not about target practice ... The right to bear arms is a political right designed to safeguard freedom so that no government can take away from you the rights that God has given you, and it was written by people who had spent their lifetime fighting the greatest empire in the world and they knew that if they had not had the right to bear arms, they would have been enslaved. And they did not want us to be enslaved. And that is why they guaranteed us the right to protect ourselves. It is a political right of the deepest importance to the survival of freedom in America."

April 29, 2011, speaking at the National Rifle Association's annual convention staged in Pittsburg, Pennsylvania.

The only problem is that his words don't match his voting record. He voted in favor of the famous "Gun Free School Zones Act". A God given right does not end where school zone signs begin. The guy is a fraud, plain and simple. If your vote on gun control legislation matches Nancy Pelosi's vote then there is no way you believe in the 2nd Amendment.

and RP uses skewed logic in the gun control argument.
and, he says he's against abortion, but he voted in favor of it in at least one instance.
If he will lie about one thing, he will lie about anything.
during a campaign, every politician has handlers to tell them what the public wants to hear.
RP is no different.  but I've said several times, if he gets the nomination, he will get my vote without hesitation. IMO, it's unamerican to throw away your vote.  some people on this site have said they would just as soon have obama again, than any republican besides RP.  I can't imagine a so-called conservative saying something like that.  it would mean total destuction of this country.
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and RP uses skewed logic in the gun control argument.
and, he says he's against abortion, but he voted in favor of it in at least one instance.

Do you have any examples of this? Ron Paul is the most pro-gun politician out there. He's also anti abortion. My guess is the abortion vote you speak of would have violated the Constitution so he voted with the Constitution.
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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2012, 03:37:11 AM »
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and RP uses skewed logic in the gun control argument.
and, he says he's against abortion, but he voted in favor of it in at least one instance.

Do you have any examples of this? Ron Paul is the most pro-gun politician out there. He's also anti abortion. My guess is the abortion vote you speak of would have violated the Constitution so he voted with the Constitution.
I'll ask you. how is it unconstitutional to stop frivolous lawsuits against against lawful commerce.
re: abortion.  on a law that would prevent people from taking underage girls across state lines for abortions without parental consent, he voted NO!!  if it had not passed, it would have taken away a parents CONSTITUTIONAL right to raise their children as they see fit.  it would have set a dangerous precedent.  taking away parental rights are normally a liberal tactic.
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Re: Paul call Newt a chicken hawk
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2012, 07:43:40 AM »
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and RP uses skewed logic in the gun control argument.
and, he says he's against abortion, but he voted in favor of it in at least one instance.

Do you have any examples of this? Ron Paul is the most pro-gun politician out there. He's also anti abortion. My guess is the abortion vote you speak of would have violated the Constitution so he voted with the Constitution.
I'll ask you. how is it unconstitutional to stop frivolous lawsuits against against lawful commerce.
re: abortion.  on a law that would prevent people from taking underage girls across state lines for abortions without parental consent, he voted NO!!  if it had not passed, it would have taken away a parents CONSTITUTIONAL right to raise their children as they see fit.  it would have set a dangerous precedent.  taking away parental rights are normally a liberal tactic.

NW already posted why Paul voted the way he did, go back to page 1 of this thread an reread it. Let me know if you don't understand it and I will explain it to you. Here is an excerpt from it that explains all you need to know:

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would remind my fellow supporters of gun rights that using unconstitutional federal powers to restrict state gun lawsuits makes it more likely those same powers will be used to restrict our gun rights. Despite these lawsuits, the number one threat to gun ownership remains a federal government freed of its constitutional restraints. Expanding that government in any way, no matter how just the cause may seem, is not in the interests of gun owners or lovers of liberty.

The abortion bill you speak of might be very well intentioned but at the same time was also unconstitutional which is why Paul voted against it. If you choose to violate the Constitution for what seems like a good idea then it's a slippery slope to go down. At the end of the day you're still violating the Constitution. If you think that's a good idea then you're no different than a liberal who says that gun control laws are fine because they keep us "safe". I understand what you're saying in that we as parents should have control over our own children but that is a state issue, not a federal one. The bill you are speaking of would have made it a "federal" crime to transport a minor across state lines. Abortion is a state issue no matter how you slice it since the Constitution does NOT grant the federal government the power to regulate it.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

---- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783