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Jesse Ventura calls ace sniper Kyle a lier over 'punch hoax'...
« on: January 09, 2012, 02:50:31 AM »
MMMmmmmm!?...Sniper Kyle is on TeeVee saying he punched and knocked down Ventura in a seal bar...Ventura says nope, didn't happen...it's a total fabrication....
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.Exclusive: Jesse Ventura Blasts Navy SEAL ‘Punch’ Hoax
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Former Governor: Incident “never happened…someone is out to destroy my credibility”
Paul Joseph Watson
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Saturday, January 7, 2012
Following claims made by US Navy SEAL Chris Kyle that he punched Jesse Ventura for badmouthing US troops during a wake for a slain soldier in Coronado, California, Ventura has denounced the story as an outrageous lie, asserting that the event never happened.
Kyle, who has been the subject of numerous television interviews over the past few days while he promotes his new book, is a sniper marksmen who has been made into somewhat of a poster child for US military involvement in the Middle East following his tales of killing hundreds of Iraqi insurgents.
Kyle claims that he met Ventura in a bar in Coronado in 2006 while Ventura was in town to speak to a new class of SEAL graduates at nearby Naval Amphibious Base Coronado. Also present were family members holding a wake for Michael Mansoor, one of the first SEALs killed in Iraq. Kyle claims Ventura began loudly objecting to the war in Iraq before calling the troops “murderers” and saying “we deserved to lose a few guys”.
Kyle then claims he punched Ventura, knocked him to the floor, and quickly ran away.
Infowars today spoke with Tyrel Ventura, Jesse Ventura’s son, who related to us how Ventura is shocked, heartbroken and saddened about how a fellow Navy SEAL could invent such a hurtful and abhorrent lie.
The event never happened, Ventura has never met Kyle, and the whole story is a transparent hoax seemingly designed as an attempt at character assassination given Ventura’s very public recent battles with the federal government, in particular his fight with the TSA, and his vehement anti-war stance, Tyrel told us after talking with his father.
Ventura explained that he has only ever visited the bar in question with groups of friends, and the notion that the story if true would not have already become public in the space of over five years is plainly ludicrous.
Ventura labels the story a total fabrication and is beyond heartbroken that a fellow service member and Navy SEAL would invent such outrageous lies designed to defame him and help sell a book. He adds that it is incredibly vicious to claim at a wake he would insult the family members of a slain soldier, which is one of the worst slurs that could be made against anybody, not to mention a former Navy SEAL like Ventura.
In his Facebook response, Ventura makes reference to another false claim that had to be retracted about him supposedly tail gating in California last week, suggesting that there is an organized effort to “destroy my credibility”.
Such actions may be an effort to pre-empt the possibility that Ventura could enter the presidential picture as a candidate for the Libertarian Party. Tyrel Ventura told us that Jesse is completely blown away that the establishment is now coming after him by way of manufactured hoaxes and cynical acts of character assassination in a bid to politically discredit him.Close friend Alex Jones points out that Ventura was “veering towards riding off into the sunset for good,” but that such attacks on his character could force the former Governor to re-emerge as a prominent force on the US political scene. Jones said that the smear has completely backfired because it will only make Ventura become more public and be more aggressive in asserting his anti-war, pro-freedom principles.
Anyone who knows Ventura also knows that he is a supreme patriot, a proud former SEAL, and would never insult the family members of a fallen soldier at a wake – such egregious slurs are completely inconsistent with Ventura’s character, notes Jones.
Ventura is currently residing at his remote home in the Baja region of Mexico which is virtually cut off from civilization, but is planning to travel to the nearest town in order to do a Skype interview with the Alex Jones Show over the next few days.
His son Tyrel Ventura will appear on the Alex Jones Show tomorrow to address the hoax. Jesse Ventura is expected to make further statements on the issue over the course of the next week.
Read Jesse Ventura’s Facebook statement below.
The event this man spoke of never happened. I have been to Mc P’s many times since leaving the Navy. I was never there alone. I was always accompanied by other people. If this happened 6 years ago, someone would have known of it before now. Certainly in the UDT/SEAL community it would have been known. This has to be news to all of us.
I have always opposed the war in Iraq but I have never spoken or wished any ill will towards the soldiers. My heart aches that soldiers have died or been wounded because this war should never have taken place. I am perplexed over the agenda this man has and why a fellow Navy Seal would tell a lie about an event that never happened.
Clearly between this story and the previous week’s story about supposedly getting pulled over for tailgaiting in CA that was also a lie, someone is out to destroy my credibility. I find it very interesting that both these stories are being spread by Fox news and it’s affiliates. As a Navy veteran you realize you can’t believe every sea story you hear. Let me finish by stating both of the recent two national stories about me are completely untrue lies, neither event ever happened.
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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a regular fill-in host for The Alex Jones Show.

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Re: Jesse Ventura calls ace sniper Kyle a lier over 'punch hoax'...
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 11:50:11 PM »
My opinion is that Ventura is an overblown windbag.  Sniper Kyle seems to be pretty laid back and collected from the interviews i've seen.  I'd say Ventura prolly did get laid out over being a pompus douche at a fellow seals funeral. 
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Re: Jesse Ventura calls ace sniper Kyle a lier over 'punch hoax'...
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 12:57:52 AM »
  So a public figure got punched out in a public place and that fact never became....public untill five years later when the guy is in a position to benefit from publicity?  The guy making the claim is pitching his new book, making the rounds on TV interviews and now, at just this moment, makes a claim to have taken this big name down a peg?  Yeah.  OK.
 
  You can believe it if you want to.  I think that people who don't like Ventura and think he is an obnoxous wind bag will believe it because they would like to punch him in the mouth so they will believe this guy did it just to believe it.  Whatever.  I'm with Carl Sagan who said that extrordinary claims require proof before they are believable.   (different context, but the same applies)  Absent some third party coroboration I see a guy making a tall claim (if you count punching a 60 year old man as a tall claim).  OK, buddy.  Sure you did. 
 
 

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Re: Jesse Ventura calls ace sniper Kyle a lier over 'punch hoax'...
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 02:54:00 AM »
I was watching a show where one narrator suggested Jesse probably wouldn't remember it if it did happen because of all the steroids he was taking at the time. I also think jl is onto something- people want to believe it because they would like it to be true.

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Re: Jesse Ventura calls ace sniper Kyle a lier over 'punch hoax'...
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 05:38:06 AM »
  So a public figure got punched out in a public place and that fact never became....public untill five years later when the guy is in a position to benefit from publicity?  The guy making the claim is pitching his new book, making the rounds on TV interviews and now, at just this moment, makes a claim to have taken this big name down a peg?  Yeah.  OK.
 
  You can believe it if you want to.  I think that people who don't like Ventura and think he is an obnoxous wind bag will believe it because they would like to punch him in the mouth so they will believe this guy did it just to believe it.  Whatever.  I'm with Carl Sagan who said that extrordinary claims require proof before they are believable.   (different context, but the same applies)  Absent some third party coroboration I see a guy making a tall claim (if you count punching a 60 year old man as a tall claim).  OK, buddy.  Sure you did. 
 
 
I'm with jl & Carl Sagan on this.  BTW this is a good rule for some posters to live by.
"You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts." - Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

When you allow a lie to go unchallenged, it becomes the truth.

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Re: Jesse Ventura calls ace sniper Kyle a lier over 'punch hoax'...
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2012, 05:45:09 AM »
  So a public figure got punched out in a public place and that fact never became....public untill five years later when the guy is in a position to benefit from publicity?  The guy making the claim is pitching his new book, making the rounds on TV interviews and now, at just this moment, makes a claim to have taken this big name down a peg?  Yeah.  OK.
 
  You can believe it if you want to.  I think that people who don't like Ventura and think he is an obnoxous wind bag will believe it because they would like to punch him in the mouth so they will believe this guy did it just to believe it.  Whatever.  I'm with Carl Sagan who said that extrordinary claims require proof before they are believable.   (different context, but the same applies)  Absent some third party coroboration I see a guy making a tall claim (if you count punching a 60 year old man as a tall claim).  OK, buddy.  Sure you did. 
 
 
I'm with jl & Carl Sagan on this.  BTW this is a good rule for some posters to live by.

I agree.  There are lots of posters on this forum that should back up their claims with proof.

What I posted was my opinion.  It might be right or wrong in this case.  I just said that I would believe a guy who is calm and collected over the dude that is publically a bully and obnoxious.
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Re: Jesse Ventura calls ace sniper Kyle a lier over 'punch hoax'...
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 06:04:11 AM »
I agree.  There are lots of posters on this forum that should back up their claims with proof.

What I posted was my opinion. It might be right or wrong in this case.  I just said that I would believe a guy who is calm and collected over the dude that is publically a bully and obnoxious.
Sam - Believe me when I say, that post was not directed at you.  An opinion is exactly that an opinion.  No need to back opinions up, I respect an honest opinion, even if I don't agree. 

It's just that some posters  :-X , have a tendency to throw out claims that you, I, and any sane person would know to be cow manure.  They then expect you to believe it to be true.  When you tell them it's a load of manure, and point out conflicting facts in their previous posts or lack of posts showing their alleged actions.  They proceed to complain to the moderators, and cry that you are engaging in personal attacks.  Sorry, enough of my rant.  Back to the OP
"You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts." - Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

When you allow a lie to go unchallenged, it becomes the truth.

My quandary, I personally, don't think I have enough Handi's but, I know I have more Handi's than I really need or should have.

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Re: Jesse Ventura calls ace sniper Kyle a lier over 'punch hoax'...
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 02:16:53 PM »

The story here is about Ventura calling Kyle's story a bunch of BS after Kyle went on telaversion and claims he beat down Ventura.  The article in post #1 quotes Ventura several times, who leaves  no doubt claiming that Kyle is lieing in his opinion. That's what the article is about.
 
For us mere mortals we will just have to wait and see how this plays, and if more wittness or evidence pops up; but for right now Ventura claims Kyle is a BS lier....that's about it--there's no other agenda here except the one you're trying to inject......so stay tuned and maybe we'll see how this pans out....carry on.
 
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TM - Would you please tell us who the "you're" in your comment is?  I do believe I was directing my
comment to singleshotsam.  No comments were directed at you or, was there an "agenda" being pursued.  I wish you would please refrain from thinking everything is about you.  As you say: "carry on".

Regarding this post and your comment; "us mere mortals we will just have to wait and see how this plays", I have been saying that all along, but you always seem to disagree with me.  Seems I can't win for agreeing or disagreeing with you. :o   Play nice now you hear?
"You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts." - Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

When you allow a lie to go unchallenged, it becomes the truth.

My quandary, I personally, don't think I have enough Handi's but, I know I have more Handi's than I really need or should have.

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Re: Jesse Ventura calls ace sniper Kyle a lier over 'punch hoax'...
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 01:47:11 AM »
People, People!  Can't we just agree that if nobody has punched Ventura in the face then we need to draw straws to get the job done ;)
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Re: Jesse Ventura calls ace sniper Kyle a lier over 'punch hoax'...
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 02:43:54 AM »
I agree with you on that TM.  But I think he would get a lot further in getting a larger following if he didn't act like such a goob.
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Re: Jesse Ventura calls ace sniper Kyle a lier over 'punch hoax'...
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 09:34:50 AM »
TM7 & OSR You two will never learn will you? The rest of you can thank them later for getting this one closed! I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
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Re: Jesse Ventura calls ace sniper Kyle a lier over 'punch hoax'...
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2012, 12:37:37 AM »
Several post have been deleted from this discussion due to personal attacks - Singleshotsam - 01/16/12 5:38 a.m.
 
TM7 & OSR You two will never learn will you? The rest of you can thank them later for getting this one closed! I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

No, I'm not going to lock and delete a topic because two people can't follow forum rules.  I'm just going to delete out the personal attacks and keep the topic relevant.  While this forum used to be the un-moderated stomping grounds for the people on this forum to flame each other, it is no longer allowed.  What aggravates me is that it can be a great place to come and read links to the news people think is important to them.  If I have to do nothing but delete posts to make that happen then I will be happy to do so.
 
 
I'm voting 3rd party in this election by writing in Jesus Christ for president.  Sadly even if this were an option most of you would still vote Republican because "It's a two party system."