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NDAA + Enemy Expatriation Act = ???
« on: January 12, 2012, 02:59:27 AM »
People,,,,Sen Joe Leibermann has been at it again. first he silently sponsors/writes the NDAA making the USA a battleground and fair game of US citizens. Next he is sponsoring/writing the Enemy Expatriation Act allowing his government to strip US citizenship without conviction at will....taking up where the NDAA left off...Is there a pattern here?...is there a pattern with Joe Leiberman as he leaves office.....?
 
 
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Title: New Bill Known As Enemy Expatriation Act Would Allow Government To Strip Citizenship Without Conviction
Source: Addicting Info
URL Source: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/0 ... itizenship-without-conviction/
Published: Jan 6, 2012
Author: Stephen Foster Jr.
Post Date: 2012-01-10 13:52:10 by bush_is_a_moonie
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First, Congress considered the National Defense Authorization Act, sections of which gave the President the authority to use the military to arrest and indefinitely detain Americans without trial or charge. The language was revised because of strong condemnation from the American people. But now a new bill has emerged that poses yet another threat to the American citizenry.  Congress is considering HR 3166 and S. 1698 also known as the Enemy Expatriation Act, sponsored by Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Charles Dent (R-PA). This bill would give the US government the power to strip Americans of their citizenship without being convicted of being “hostile” against the United States. In other words, you can be stripped of your nationality for “engaging in, or purposefully and materially supporting, hostilities against the United States.” Legally, the term “hostilities” means any conflict subject to the laws of war but considering the fact that the War on Terror is a little ambiguous and encompassing, any action could be labeled as supporting terrorism. Since the Occupy movement began, conservatives have been trying to paint the protesters as terrorists.  The new law would change a part of US Code 1481 which can be read in full here. Compare 3166 to 1481 and the change is small. The new section makes no reference to being convicted as it does in section (7). So even though the language of the NDAA has been revised to exclude American citizens, the US government merely has to strip Americans of their citizenship and the NDAA will apply. And they will be able to do so without convicting the accused in a court of law.  I hope I’m wrong, but it sounds to me like this is a loophole for indefinitely detaining Americans. Once again, you just have to be accused of supporting hostilities which could be defined any way the government sees fit. Then the government can strip your citizenship and apply the indefinite detention section of the NDAA without the benefit of a trial. This certainly must be questioned by American citizens. The way these defense obsessed Republicans think, our rights are always in danger of being taken away.  To read the full text of the bill http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h112

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Re: NDAA + Enemy Expatriation Act = ???
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 03:10:17 AM »
TM7, you should read this, signed 3 January 2012 by POTUS.

http://www.defencetalk.com/reports/Defense_Strategic_Guidance.pdf

Under Priorities:
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Defend the Homeland and Provide Support to Civil Authorities. U.S. forces will
continue to defend U.S. territory from direct attack by state and non-state actors. We will
also come to the assistance of domestic civil authorities in the event such defense fails or
in case of natural disasters, potentially in response to a very significant or even
catastrophic event. Homeland defense and support to civil authorities require strong,
steady––state force readiness, to include a robust missile defense capability. Threats to the
homeland may be highest when U.S. forces are engaged in conflict with an adversary
abroad.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 03:34:45 AM »
TM7, you should read this, signed 3 January 2012 by POTUS.

http://www.defencetalk.com/reports/Defense_Strategic_Guidance.pdf

Under Priorities:
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Defend the Homeland and Provide Support to Civil Authorities. U.S. forces will
continue to defend U.S. territory from direct attack by state and non-state actors. We will
also come to the assistance of domestic civil authorities in the event such defense fails or
in case of natural disasters, potentially in response to a very significant or even
catastrophic event. Homeland defense and support to civil authorities require strong,
steady––state force readiness, to include a robust missile defense capability. Threats to the
homeland may be highest when U.S. forces are engaged in conflict with an adversary
abroad.
TN, I read it all and it was very interesting.
my question to you is, are people using scare tactics on this NDAA, or is there something to it ?
I just can't see anyone being stripped of their citizenship.
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Re: NDAA + Enemy Expatriation Act = ???
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 05:00:53 AM »
Those in power know their own plans and goals include stripping us of our freedom and liberty and fully expect a shooting war to begin. They are just laying the ground work to make their actions more palitible to those who do not choose to fight and to make it look to the international community like we're still following the rule of law even tho the federal government stopped doing that many years ago.

I've been saying it here for at least ten years now. The US will one day make Soviet Russia and Communist China look pale in comparison. Nazi Germany will look like a daycare center compared to where the US is headed.


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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 05:04:32 AM »
Bug, worst case scenario this battlespace shaping, laying foundational policies upon which further policy is layered.

I was skeptical but not alarmed with NDAA, well maybe a little. Then my ears perked with the Expatriation Act.
Now the new Defense Strategy blatantly states a priority in civil defense, which historically has been avoided due to posse comitatus. Add to that the inclusion of a NG Commander on the JCS, the NG historically belonging to their respective state's governors, and only loaned to support federal operations. These are all layers, upon which the wrong person can do horrible things.

We've been told that citizen's have nothing to fear from the NDAA ... as long as we're not on the suspected terror list. I saw how we treated suspected terrorists in Iraq, and according to Janet Reno, most of the members of this board should be on her list. Expatriation gives them the ability to then take that person and strip them of their rights, notice it does not give them alternative citizenship - that's important. If you're a US citizen, profiled on a watch list, detained indefinitely, and I strip your citizenship, who will come to your aid? It is entirely subjective, based on suspicion, and very political. And the US military is to be used to implement these policies.

Each of these layers removed a protection to individual's liberty, and all assurances we've been told are entirely dependent on the good graces of the person in charge. Government should never be structured in such a way that only some of the people have liberty based on the whim of the leadership. That is the very reason we declared independence from England.
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Re: NDAA + Enemy Expatriation Act = ???
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2012, 05:17:48 AM »
Those in power know their own plans and goals include stripping us of our freedom and liberty and fully expect a shooting war to begin. They are just laying the ground work to make their actions more palitible to those who do not choose to fight and to make it look to the international community like we're still following the rule of law even tho the federal government stopped doing that many years ago.

I've been saying it here for at least ten years now. The US will one day make Soviet Russia and Communist China look pale in comparison. Nazi Germany will look like a daycare center compared to where the US is headed.

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TeamNelson, both parties have been chipping away at freedom and the constitution for a long time now. The dirrection of thew Republicans and the Democrats is the same. Sooner is better than later for the TSTHTF. They will have less time to pasify the masses with thier distractions.
 
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 05:55:06 AM »
won't the fact that obama is putting 1000s of military out of work, work against him if he tries something like this?  a lot of young men, unemployed, with firearms, could possibly recruit a lot of help to clean house in D.C.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 11:54:29 AM »
won't the fact that obama is putting 1000s of military out of work, work against him if he tries something like this?  a lot of young men, unemployed, with firearms, could possibly recruit a lot of help to clean house in D.C.
We were still in the depression. Many thousands of troops came home from the European war. Keynesian economists said the economic result would be worse than what we had already endured. That unemployment would rise unimaginably. The one thing they all forgot was that the money being spent on the war was now left with the people to spend. Not only did they find jobs, the economy began to grow rather well.


Not taking up for the current imbecile-in-chief, just stating what happened.


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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 12:23:32 PM »
The difference after the European war is that we were manufacturing goods in the US. Today's economy is service based, not much durable production going on, the dollar was stronger, cost of living was lower, and credit was less pervasive. We've been at war 10 years, many hundreds of thousands have gotten out during that time, and many of those are still unemployed, or using their GI Bill to get a degree, and finding there is no job after graduation. Unlike the previous wars, there is no actual $ to bring back here. Its all on credit already. And public funds do not create wealth producing jobs.


The 500,000 uniformed (est. total of 750,000 if you add civilian support workforce) put on the street will not have $ to spend. The thousands of small business owners who make their living, and employ others, providing local services to the military families will die off. 1/3 of all food orders, 1/3 of all uniform orders equals 1/3 of all transport/supply jobs, trucking, security ... 1/3 of the military is a lot bigger than 500k unemployed people.


But a national security force that takes no constitutional oath could be raised to ensure the safety of our children as outlined in these documents. Now where have I heard that idea floated around again? (And DSCP is already making khaki long sleeved shirts.)


I in no way shape or form imagine that cutting the military by 1/3 is going to be used to reduce our national budget or debt, even though that will be the argument given. (Just like all the lies told when the debt ceiling was raised). It's going to be redirected into activity that is not under constitutional purview, and is solely under executive control. Both parties want that, it will be so.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2012, 05:41:55 PM »
Fear not. Congress is likely to soon approve another $Trillion debt limit increase. He'll prolly use a bunch of it to help him get re-elected. If ya think it's bad now just wait until we go in debt yet another Trillion.

He has spent more money in three years than was spent in the previous hundred or more years. We gonna borrow our way out of this mess don't ya know.


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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2012, 01:39:27 AM »
TN, I wasn't thinking of a brown shirt army.
I was thinking about this group revolting.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2012, 03:13:29 AM »
TN, I wasn't thinking of a brown shirt army.
I was thinking about this group revolting.


It could go either way ... depends on how hungry they are and how its done. Get you a nice pro-military sounding Progressive in there, makes it sound like we're doing our vets a favor, etc. Manipulation of hungry fearful people is real easy. Look at how many are voting for Obama.


Truthfully, if it came to it, vets would be split down the middle like we've always been.
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