Okay let's take your false claims apart.
Swift: We know gen Patton was a great military leader and strategist....and we know that he did this job very well, and he thoroughly knew when hostilities were over. We know that he was once Eisenhower's superior, but later his subordinate, and that their families were friends. We know that post ww2 Patton was assigned as Occupation Commander of Bavaria by Eisenhower, and we know that Patton respected the Vermacht and after the hostilites we know Patton, as a man of honor, was not a masochistic villian who wanted to starve, enslave, steal, and decimate Germany
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So far, your comment is truthful.
Patton, as a man of honor, was not a masochistic villian who wanted to starve, enslave, steal, and decimate Germany as the Baruch-Morganthau plan mandated...this is all historical record. It is also actual history that Eisenhower relieved Patton of this duty, specifically because he DID NOT carry out the letter of the Morganthau Plan, and particularly the punitive JCS 1067. This is all historical record despite those that would obsfuscate, or attempt to re-write this important histroy. I wholely recommend researching this part of Patton's career which was ended rather abruptly. For some reason there are some who do not want us to freely study this particular part of Patton's life and thus function to prevent discussion or discovery....go figure that one..
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This is a complete fabrication. The Baruch-Morganthau plan did not mandate that Patton be ordered to: "
to starve, enslave, steal, and decimate Germany as the Baruch-Morganthau plan mandated...this is all historical record." And most definitely not historical record. For information on what the plan actually was about, all you have to do is look at this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgenthau_Plan No record of anything even remotely, approaching your claims, about "decimating" Germany, it's people, and specifically nothing about ordering Patton to "decimate" millions of German POW's as you continually claim.
If it's historical record, where are the records?
Your claim that Eisenhower relieved Patton of his command, is also true. But your claim that he was relieved of command for not "
carry[ing]
out the letter of the Morganthau Plan, " is without factual basis. Your further attempt to include "
and particularly the punitive JCS 1067." is laughable, since the alleged footnote, leads to a bogus "unknown URL". So where is your historical record?
After the close of World War II, Patton (now a full general) became the occupation commander of Bavaria, and made arrangements for saving the world-famous Lipizzaner stallions of Vienna, fearing that the Red Army would slaughter the horses for food. Patton was relieved of duty after openly revolting against the punitive occupation directive JCS 1067.[113] His view of the war was that with Hitler gone, the German army could be rebuilt into an ally in a potential war against the Russians, whom Patton notoriously despised and considered a greater menace than the Germans. During this period, he wrote that the Allied victory would be in vain if it led to a tyrant worse than Hitler and an army of "Mongolian savages" controlling half of Europe. Eisenhower had at last had enough, relieving him of duty.
. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton .
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Amazingly, most of the above paragraph is factual, with the exception of the part underlined and in bold. The real reason was Eisenhower (Patton's superior) was tired of Patton openly criticizing his decisions. See below, or go to:
http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/1900s/p/patton.htmGeorge Patton - Postwar With the end of the war, Patton enjoyed a brief trip home to Los Angeles where he and
Lieutenant General Jimmy Doolittle were honored with a parade.
Assigned to be the military governor of Bavaria, Patton was irritated not to receive a combat command in the Pacific. Openly critical of Allied occupation policy and believing that the Soviets should be forced back to their borders, Patton was relieved by Eisenhower in November 1945 and assigned to the Fifteenth Army which was tasked with writing the history of the war. Patton died on December 21, 1945, from injuries sustained in a car accident twelve days earlier.
And BTW, Until recently, it was only speculation that Patton had been assassinated. I certainly don't know for sure. But after is auto accident he seemed to be recovering nicely. Andut it is known for a fact an agent of the well-known OSS (Office of Strategic Services) or American military spy, a certain Douglas Bazata, a Jew of Lebanese origin, announced it in front of 450 invited guests; high ranking, ex-members of the OSS, in the Hilton Hotel in Washington, the 25th of September, 1979. Bazata said, word-for-word:
"For diverse political reasons, many extremely high-ranking persons hated Patton. I know who killed him. Because I am the one who was hired to do it. Ten thousand dollars. General William Donovan himself, director of the O.S.S, entrusted me."
So go figure that one.....
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Ah TM, I was wondering when that (Douglas Bazata, a Jew) would come out.
Here are the real facts:
Conspiracy Theories: The Mysterious Death of General Patton Published December 19, 2008
FOXNews
- 2006: Patton accident scene
Was General George S. Patton murdered?
On December 21, 1945, America's iconic four-star General, who had triumphed from the deserts of North Africa to Hitler's doorstep, was pronounced dead at the 130th Field Hospital in Heidelberg, Germany. He was 60-years-old.
Twelve days earlier, General Patton had set off on a pheasant hunting trip near Mannheim when his Cadillac staff car collided with a two-and-a-half ton U.S. Army truck. Patton was immediately paralyzed from the neck down. His driver, PFC Horace Woodring and his chief of staff, General Hap Gay, walked away with barely a scratch. Was it just a freak automobile accident as the Army concluded or was it, as some conspiracy theorists believe, a calculated assassination attempt by the Russians or the OSS?
In "War Stories Investigates: The Remarkable Life and Mysterious Death of General Patton," we tried to uncover the truth. Our investigation uncovered very few records from the accident. When we dug through Patton's military personnel file at the National Archives in St. Louis, out of more than 1300 pages of documents, a mere 15 were devoted to the car crash. Strangely, the Army accident report went missing shortly after the accident.
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Catch the "War Stories Classic: The Remarkable Life and Mysterious Death of General Patton," Mon., December 22 at 3 a.m. ETWe traveled to Germany with Oliver North to the scene of the crash and to the hospital room where Patton spent his last days. We also stepped inside Patton's restored 1939 Cadillac, which is on display at the Patton Museum of Cavalry and Armor at Ft. Knox in Kentucky.
Several of Patton's grandchildren spoke to us, including grandson James Patton Totten, who said, "My grandmother had hired several private detectives to investigate it and they didn't find anything to substantiate the rumor."
We met up with Patton's granddaughter Helen Patton Plusczyk in Heidelberg at the Christ Church where her grandfather's funeral was held. She recalled one of the conspiracy theories she'd heard over the years: "The most outrageous one came from a mysterious colonel, who had been a spy for the Russians, the Germans, and Americans during the war, operating radio stations in Normandy. That a nurse, or a medical aide, had been instructed by someone, to — as soon as my grandmother would leave the hospital room — open the windows of Grandpa's room, so that he would contract pneumonia."
We tracked down Bertha Hohle, the 24-year-old nurse from Minnesota who cared for the general in the hospital: "He said to me once, 'Why can't I feel my hands?' That's really hard to tell somebody that, look at that, you can't use your arms." Bertha did not feel that Patton was murdered. She believed he died from pulmonary edema and congestive heart failure, which were cited as the official causes of death. An autopsy was never performed.
One person who strongly believes Patton was murdered was military author and journalist Robert Wilcox. Speaking publicly for the first time, Wilcox told "War Stories Investigates" that OSS spymaster William "Wild Bill" Donovan ordered an agent to kill the often outspoken general because he wanted to drag America into another war… with Russia. Wilcox told us: "[Douglas] Bazata is a world class marksman. And he shot, at close range, a special weapon into that car and that's what broke his neck."
When the accident failed to kill Patton, Wilcox said that a Russian agent snuck into Patton's room to poison him." Military Historian Kevin Hymel disagreed strongly with Wilcox's theories: "Yes, he did have enemies. But did he have enemies that were so afraid of him, that they would kill him? That's a pretty far stretch."
While General Patton's death may forever be shrouded in mystery, one thing is certain, he was a brilliant military leader. Retired Brigadier General Albin Irzyk, a tank commander who led Patton's 3rd Army to Bastogne, said it best: "He's the purest warrior we've ever had, I think he's by far the greatest field commander we've ever had. He couldn't have been a Marshall, he couldn't have been an Eisenhower, he was Patton. He climbed his mountain. There's nothing left for him to conquer."
— Cyd Upson is "War Stories" senior producer. Michael Weiss is "War Stories" producer Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469688,00.html#ixzz1l6XjgBwv TM - I guess I was right, when I told you that your claim about Patton belonged in the Conspiracy section. Your claim about Patton's alleged actions were also a violation of the rules concerning hijacking of the thread "Freakin' IDJITS! from subdjoe".
For my part, I refuse to answer any more of your nonsense regarding Patton on this thread.
Have a nice day now, you hear?