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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2012, 08:09:36 AM »
Received this email from a friend.  Don't know if this was actually "found" on a SeaBee message board, but I agree with the message.

"FOUND ON A SEABEE MESSAGE BOARD:

                Piss on a Crucifix, and they call you an "Artist"
                Piss on The American Flag, and they'll call you a Freedom of Speech "Constitutionalist"
                Piss on a Police Car, and they'll call you an Occupy Wall Street "Freedom Lovin' 99
                percenter"
                Piss on a Taliban piece of @#$% that just tried to kill you and your fellow Marines, and
                they'll call you a "Villain"
                Sure is a @#$%&*-up administration we have running this great country!!!!!
                Be sure to (non-cuss word deleted to comply with non-political rule) them ALL GONE in
                November!!!!!"

Kinda puts things in perspective.
It's still inconceivable that some will still take the side of the enemy when ever they can.
Libs and PC on one side, evil on the other side and the troops stuck in the middle. 
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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2012, 08:15:08 AM »
No one has the right to make a negative comment on the actions of these Marines unless he has been in battle.  Combat is not a game among friends, that's why the other side is called "the enemy" and it is the job of line personnel to kill them.
 
To do so without hesitation or remorse requires a change in most individuals psychological makeup.  This change cannot help but effect ones viewpoint on many things.  Urinating on an enemy corpse is no more important then nailing a unit patch to a forehead, stuffing an ace of spades in a mouth or cutting off an ear.  Screw 'em, they are (were) the enemy and they are DEAD!
 
If this is an inevitable attitude of large unit line Troopers, imagine what a person who is trained to methodically kill other people, not in the heat of battle, but kill people who are unaware that they are in any danger.  These "targets" must be dehumanized for him to be completely effective.  Even the Nazis dehumanized the Jews...
 
The high level military officials who feign outrage are pandering to the politicians because the flag ranks are just that, politicians.
 
The politicians have no right to pass judgement or even speak of it at all.  The are interested in only one thing, their political career.  And for H. Clinton to stand there and harp on this "desecration," as she put it, well let me just say I would piss on her even if she wasn't dead.
 
My one serious post for 2012 is now complete.
No one has the right to make a negative comment on the actions of these Marines unless he has been in battle.  Combat is not a game among friends, that's why the other side is called "the enemy" and it is the job of line personnel to kill them.
 
To do so without hesitation or remorse requires a change in most individuals psychological makeup.  This change cannot help but effect ones viewpoint on many things.  Urinating on an enemy corpse is no more important then nailing a unit patch to a forehead, stuffing an ace of spades in a mouth or cutting off an ear.  Screw 'em, they are (were) the enemy and they are DEAD!
 
If this is an inevitable attitude of large unit line Troopers, imagine what a person who is trained to methodically kill other people, not in the heat of battle, but kill people who are unaware that they are in any danger.  These "targets" must be dehumanized for him to be completely effective.  Even the Nazis dehumanized the Jews...
 
The high level military officials who feign outrage are pandering to the politicians because the flag ranks are just that, politicians.
 
The politicians have no right to pass judgement or even speak of it at all.  The are interested in only one thing, their political career.  And for H. Clinton to stand there and harp on this "desecration," as she put it, well let me just say I would piss on her even if she wasn't dead.
 
My one serious post for 2012 is now complete.
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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2012, 08:26:56 AM »
I thought about this , listened to alot of talk. Way I see it is if the Marines feel that way then do what they want as far as tinkling on dead enemy. Maybe it sends a message to their enemy . What I will take issue with is the cost of the time wasted by our military on this prank. The Whitehouse is cutting the budget and looking for ways to do it. Hey wake up quit pizzing it away trying to find fault with the guys protecting our country pizzing on the enemy !
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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2012, 08:35:56 AM »
I  Just   hope   these   MARINES   dont   face   court   marshal   by   some  of   our   pinko  polititions  .

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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2012, 08:43:24 AM »
Aw come on! They are just kids! NO THEY ARE THE FINEST FIGHTING MEN THE WORLD KNOWS AND ARE PROTECTING US ! TO WASTE THEIR TIME AND OUR TAX DOLLARS IS PURE BS ! please excuse my loudness but I feel its that important .
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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2012, 09:53:12 AM »
Aw come on! They are just kids! NO THEY ARE THE FINEST FIGHTING MEN THE WORLD KNOWS AND ARE PROTECTING US ! TO WASTE THEIR TIME AND OUR TAX DOLLARS IS PURE BS ! please excuse my loudness but I feel its that important .

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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2012, 04:23:19 PM »
Who cares what the Taliban says? Marines sure as hell don't.
When you unleash the dogs of war and then you freak because they hike their leg and mark their territory, Yeah that's weird

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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2012, 05:55:54 PM »
Where's the outrage about crap like this.
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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2012, 06:08:42 PM »
I don't see what the big deal is . Patton said when he peed in the river he was pizzing on the whole Germain nation. If their trying to kill you what's wrong with peeing on them?

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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2012, 01:04:06 AM »
I thought about this , listened to alot of talk. Way I see it is if the Marines feel that way then do what they want as far as tinkling on dead enemy. Maybe it sends a message to their enemy . What I will take issue with is the cost of the time wasted by our military on this prank. The Whitehouse is cutting the budget and looking for ways to do it. Hey wake up quit pizzing it away trying to find fault with the guys protecting our country pizzing on the enemy !
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Yes, it sent a message. The Taliban issued a statement that marines have a shortage of diapers and can't control themselves in battle, need diapers in battle...stuff like that....Just gets weirder and weirder doesn't it..
 
 
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« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2012, 05:24:36 AM »
Well just sayin what their comeback was...kinda funny I think the marines would say.  Btw, Patton had an extreme respect for the German Military and People....even violated Morgenthau's and Eisenhower's order to decimate the millions of German prisoners. I believe he regretted alot his 'job' entailed doing...

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TiMee - Please let's not add any conspiracy claims to this thread.  Morgenthau & Eisenhower did not order Patton to decimate German POW's.
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« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2012, 06:41:29 AM »
One should read the definition of decimate . It appears many cities were decimated along with the German army. Many commanders may well have been given that order.
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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2012, 08:22:31 AM »
OSkR: You are unaware and uneducated in post ww2 history obviously,  and I persume not there.. Anyone who doubts what happened in post WW2 Germany needs to look up Morgenthau Plan, Patton's immediate post war statements, and be prepared for some very shocking stuff. Otre diaz on this big guy..carry on.... ;)
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TM - Most positively not "obviously".  I do know you are obviously not qualified to pass judgement on whether I am "unaware and uneducated in post ww2 history obviously,".
 
Let's see if we can get one thing straight here.  Maybe we can finally understand what you are trying to say.  What specifically are you referring to when you say "decimate"?  Please enlighten us, so that we can see what you think decimate means.  Your definition may be correct, but I doubt it.

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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2012, 11:57:23 AM »
OSR..'decimate' you can look up in  dictionary...it means to wipe out, decimate is a commonly used word in the English language. I am qualified to draw conclusions on what you write and say, and moreover on your absence of cogent remarks.
 
Open minded Readers that want to understand more of WW2 history should simply read the wiki article on The Morgenthau Plan, a plan to decimate, slavery, theft, and depravity brought by the Ally victors namely at the hands of The Morgenthau Boys. Patten, and others were indeed outspoken on this plot,,,Yet, nothing changed until more Germans were starved and killed than any actual war activities. Keep in mind this wiki article is 'truth light', kind of a cleaned up and whitewashed version of what happened to Germany, which was actually a holocuast. Article below"
..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgenthau_Plan 
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This thread is about IDJITS or the same, perhaps with the narrative switch out of the way we can be permitted to continue with that discussion as the mod no doubt wishes..
 
..TM7
TM - The term decimate, originated with the Romans, when they ordered every tenth (The word decimation is derived from Latin meaning "removal of a tenth") man in a Legion that showed cowardice to be executed.  In modern terms it doesn't " means to wipe out " .  Since you apparently don't understand what in your words is " a commonly used word in the English language .", how can you possibly be "qualified to draw conclusions on what [I] write and say, and moreover on [my alleged] absence of cogent remarks."

You are correct that; " This thread is about IDJITS or the same, perhaps with the narrative switch out of the way we can be permitted to continue with that discussion as the mod no doubt wishes.. ", so maybe you can explain why you were the one that decided to bring up the following (your Post #46):


Well just sayin what their comeback was...kinda funny I think the marines would say.  Btw, Patton had an extreme respect for the German Military and People....even violated Morgenthau's and Eisenhower's order to decimate the millions of German prisoners.  I believe he regretted alot his 'job' entailed doing...TM7

Thanks again.

 
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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2012, 06:44:56 PM »
Your welcome OSR....but if you read the Morgenthau wiki article you will see that decimate is a rather appropriate choice of words...to destroy a great number or proportion of (modern English, not old Latin); however if your prefer the word 'destroy' I'm down with that, too.  In any case, the Morgenthau wiki article shows what happened to post war Germany, facts and figures, politics, vendettas, racism and the whole shebang; and it was just a dreadful story of slavery, death camps, starvation, genocide, etc. and the Wiki article is a light version oabout what happened.  Fortunately, greater politcal powers rose to prevent this decimation,,, errrr destruction, of Germany
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BTW,,, are you sure English is your first language.....??..... ;) ;) ;) ;D  Now can we return to IDJITS discussion?
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...TM7
TM - Unfortunately decimate whether in the old Latin context or the more modern definition, is not what you claim it to mean.  Since we got that out of the way and proved that you didn't understand what you were claiming.  Let's get back to your other claim.

Well just sayin what their comeback was...kinda funny I think the marines would say.  Btw, Patton had an extreme respect for the German Military and People....even violated Morgenthau's and Eisenhower's order to decimate the millions of German prisoners. I believe he regretted alot his 'job' entailed doing...

TM7
Now where among your"proofs" and "evidence" is it stated the Patton was ordered by Morgenthau and Eisenhower to: "decimate" in your words or "destroy" also in your words "the millions of German prisoners"?  I really would like you to show me where in the Wiki article you use as "proof" that is stated. ::)

Your comment:  "BTW,,, are you sure English is your first language.....??..... ;) ;) ;) ;D  Now can we return to IDJITS discussion?" , is laughable coming from you to say the least.  Maybe you should stick to the mangled Spanish, which you attempt to use, but also can't master.   ;D ;D ;D ;D , I am well aware of your attempts to distract me with miscellaneous facts which never support your claims.  Awaiting your further attempts to provide proof, with bated breath. ::)   

Until then, I again point out to you that this is the "Today's News" and not the conspiracy section. Thanks again!
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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2012, 07:18:35 PM »
Old School is right about that decimate thing.. that's what I thought of, when it was mentioned as an order given to Patton.
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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2012, 06:49:11 AM »
Old School is right about that decimate thing.. that's what I thought of, when it was mentioned as an order given to Patton.
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YT3....OSR, riiight!?  Don't know about that , maybe if he was a Roman Centurion 2500 years ago!Let's go to Thesaurus.com to have a look at modern English usuage, which we normally employ to day:
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Main Entry: decimate <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/D00/D0091200" target="_blank"><img src="http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif" border="0" alt=" pronunciation" /> [des-uh-meyt] /ˈdɛsəˌmeɪt/
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: destroy
Synonyms: annihilate, butcher, commit genocide, execute, exterminate, kill off, massacre, obliterate, slaughter, stamp out, wipe out
Notes: decimate means to kill or destroy in large numbers; defeat means to win a victory over or to beat
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TM - You do know that quite a few other people (posters) have been right when they challenged your "facts", quite a few times more than you would care to admit, and you have been wrong a lot more times, than you would ever admit.  So let's deal with your above claim, about my being wrong in my definition.  Even your "evidentiary post" states the definition of decimate means: "destroy".  It does not mean "annihilate, butcher, commit genocide, execute, exterminate, kill off, massacre, obliterate, slaughter, stamp out, wipe out", those, if you read carefully are: "Synonyms" which by their very definition, are words which are "similar" in meaning, not the exact same thing. 
 Now that the English lesson part is out of the way.  Like I requested previously, would you kindly provide proof to your claim that Morgenthau and Eisenhower ordered Patton:

 
Btw, Patton had an extreme respect for the German Military and People....even violated Morgenthau's and Eisenhower's order to decimate the millions of German prisoners. I believe he regretted alot his 'job' entailed doing...
 TM7
 
TM - If you can't back it up, like I did when you challenged my post about, muslim atrocities against US personnel;  just say so, and stop "dancing".

Now as far as Gen Patton's dislike and resistence to the Baruch-Morganthauists...it is a historical unarguable documented fact, ...  The wiki article did mention his resistance to the Morgenthau Boys ...in one line, very understated.  I suggest doing a search, something like "Gen Patton + Morgenthau Plan" ...here' some more info on his opposition to the decimation of Germany in the latter half of the article:
...TM7
TM - I don't doubt your claim that Patton may have had a dislike of what you call the "Baruch-Morgenthauist", but your claim that "The wiki article did mention his resistance to the Morgenthau Boys ...in one line, very understated." would serve as proof about your claim regarding the:

Btw, Patton had an extreme respect for the German Military and People....even violated Morgenthau's and Eisenhower's order to decimate the millions of German prisoners. I believe he regretted alot his 'job' entailed doing...
TM7

shows that you are purposely avoiding the question. :o

 Like I said, I do believe this OP was about "Freakin' IDJITS!" and not some conspiracy theory, you dreamed up.  I have no problem with you bringing it up, but it really doesn't belong in this discussion.
 Thanks again for honoring my request. ::) [/td][/tr][/table]
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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2012, 10:47:45 AM »
(Ridiculous and hopeless narrative of an obfuscator and reality denier, really appearing ignorant OSR, synonyms are words that serve to define other words,,, and can be used in place of the root word. Your narrative is exactly like Billy Bob's "depends what the meaning of is is".. ::) an enforced ignorance. People are smarter than this...
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TM - "obfuscator and reality denier, really appearing ignorant OSR, " - Back to name calling?  You do know that name calling is a sign of desperation. :o   
Even your rebuttal confirms my point, "synonyms are words that serve to define other words " nowhere does it say meaning the same as the other word.  Even your quote attributed to "Billy Bob's "depends what the meaning of is is".  "is incorrectly attributed, it was actually your hero Bubba Clinton, during the Monicagate hearings.

 
 
Like I requested previously, would you kindly provide proof to your claim that Morgenthau and Eisenhower ordered Patton:
 
  Btw, Patton had an extreme respect for the German Military and People....even violated Morgenthau's and Eisenhower's order to decimate the millions of German prisoners. I believe he regretted alot his 'job' entailed doing...Morganthau, Eisenhower, FDR were Patten's superiors,,he recieved dirtectives from them...a schoolboy knows this. The tiff bewteen Patten and Eisenhower was well known. Do not try to re-wrte history and reality to suit your personal bias and agenda.
  TM7
 
TM - Again you posted an incorrect statement of fact, Morgenthau was not in Patton's chain of command, thus not his "superior", and would not have in your words; "recieved dirtectives from them...a schoolboy knows this."
 Eisenhower & FDR of course, were in his chain of command and thus his superiors.  I agree that there were disagreements between Eisenhower and Patton on tactics and objectives.  Nowhere was it stated that any of the three allegedly ordered Patton:
 
 
  Btw, Patton had an extreme respect for the German Military and People....even violated Morgenthau's and Eisenhower's order to decimate the millions of German prisoners. I believe he regretted alot his 'job' entailed doing...
  TM7
 
TM - I suggest that you take a little of your own advice and: "Do not try to re-wrte history and reality to suit your personal bias and agenda. "
 
 If you can't back your statement up, like I did when you challenged my post about, muslim atrocities against US personnel;  just say so, and stop "dancing".   It would behoove you to follow Will Rogers advice: "If you find yourself ina hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging."  ;D

 
 
  I have backed up information on the brutal Morgenthau Plan you are trying to defensd, and  I gave a link quoting Gen Patton regarding hiss view of the Morgenthauist; including quotes and letters of his. I also suggested a 'search' by those interested in the topic. I will not be a research associate for egomaniacal trolls,,,so you will just have to do your own research. It is insulting to the readership here and demeaing to the entire board.
 TM7
 
TM - I'm sorry, but I have to tell you that you didn't back up your claim that Patton was ordered:
 
  Btw, Patton had an extreme respect for the German Military and People....even violated Morgenthau's and Eisenhower's order to decimate the millions of German prisoners. I believe he regretted alot his 'job' entailed doing...
  TM7
 
Regarding your claim that I was trying to defend the Morgenthau Plan, that is obfuscation at it's finest.  I you would be so kind to show me where exactly I defended the Morgenthau Plan, I would be extremely grateful. ;D   Pray tell, what does Patton's point of view have to do with your claim that he was ordered " to decimate the millions of German prisoners". So what your saying is that you have no proof for your claims other than the fact you decided that it would serve your interest to claim that it was so?  What is insulting to the readership and the entire board is to allow falsehoods to go unchallenged.  If you made those false allegations, about those figures when they were alive, you would have been sued for defamation.
There is no 'conpiracy theory' defuser here whatsoever you can employ--just hard baked historical facts. Anybody claiming otherwise is actually pissing on the memory and honor of Gen Patton, and that too is quite disgusting... there is nothing of honor in your request, so you are on your own to stew in your nihilism, ignorance,  and negativity.......TM7
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TM - If it was; "hard baked historical facts" like you claim, you would have been able to provide  such as historical documents with such orders as proof.  I am not and have not anywhere in this thread been "pissing on the memory and honor of Gen Patton, and that too is quite disgusting ".  Again I ask you to point out where I did so.  In fact, I am an admirer of Gen. Patton, and thus feel that I should not allow you to make unfounded allegations about him.  If you have any further conspiracy theories, regarding Patton, I would welcome a discussion in the Conspiracy Theories Forum.
 Like I said, I do believe this OP was about "Freakin' IDJITS!" and not some conspiracy theory, you dreamed up.  I have no problem with you bringing it up, but it really doesn't belong in this discussion.  Thanks again for your understanding.
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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2012, 12:46:02 AM »
Can you boys take it down a notch or do i need to lock this thread?
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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2012, 06:06:45 AM »
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I believe he(Patton) regretted alot his 'job' entailed doing...

No TM7, Make no mistake about it, a man (patton) that believes that he has been continously reincarnated from thousands of years of warfighting, does not regret what he did in WW2.
 
I do believe he admired the German's fierceness and organization.  That man loved an outstanding opponent on the battlefield. Probably wasnt a nose or ear hunter, just really respected a good soldier- weather freind or foe. That was one of the best miltary leaders our country has ever seen- and propbably the world.  Makes you wonder if reincarnation is real.
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« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2012, 07:58:48 AM »
Can you boys take it down a notch or do i need to lock this thread?
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SSSam,,...I think it is obvious what is going on here and OSR's  methodology...Anyway, Sam I'm done on this one, bigger fish to fry....thanx for being tolerant, but I do hope you see a modus operandi here.... ::)
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OSR....when English usuage is your stumbling block, it is your problem--not mine...your minutia is designed to curtail free flow of ideas. Its obviouis to readers here.
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fyi,,,,Billy Bob is Klinton ..! in vernacular....keep up.
 
And Synonyms are meanings for other words, duh!.
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As for the Topic of Gen Patton and his conflicts with the Morgenthauists, it is a matter of confirmed history. I suggest any interested forum member look into this as previously suggested, search: Gen Patton and Morgenthau for example. For disinterested members, or those with personal agenda,  just de-sublimate on your own time. .. TM7

Sam - No problem from me.  Just replying to comments, accusations, and falsehoods.  Unlike the other party in this discussion, there is no name calling or insinuations on my part. 

TM - Modus Operandi? I'm sure that what other posters see, is you making up facts, or what; if I wanted to be polite, call, stretching the truth.
   Accusations, accusations, let me know when you have facts.  As I have previously stated; and to paraphrase a common American saying, since you seem so oblivious to it:

       "Tell me no lies, and I won't ask you any questions."

   If you wish, you can continue to call me any names you so desire, or you can insinuate as to your ability to comprehend the written English word, or my alleged inability to do so, or you can tell me about my supposed lack of education or lack of knowledge of history, you can even resort to childish comments, like "duh!", but I, and most of the posters know what is actually fact.  Believe me, it's not what you think.

   Regarding your last attempt (quoted in bold) to backpedal, I agree.  There were conflicts, and disagreements.  But, I still say your comment, that:

... Btw, Patton had an extreme respect for the German Military and People....even violated Morgenthau's and Eisenhower's order to decimate the millions of German prisoners.  I believe he regretted alot his 'job' entailed doing...
TM7

is revisionist history at it's best or a bold face lie, at it's worst. 
Now as I stated on two previous occasions, we can return to your OP which I believe is Freakin' IDJITS!  Thank you again for your comments.

"You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts." - Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

When you allow a lie to go unchallenged, it becomes the truth.

My quandary, I personally, don't think I have enough Handi's but, I know I have more Handi's than I really need or should have.

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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2012, 06:38:10 PM »
Okay let's take your false claims apart.
 
Swift:     We know gen Patton was a great military leader and strategist....and we know that he did this job very well, and he thoroughly knew when hostilities were over. We know that he was once Eisenhower's superior, but later his subordinate, and that their families were friends. We know that post ww2 Patton was assigned as Occupation Commander of Bavaria by Eisenhower, and we know that Patton respected the Vermacht and after the hostilites we know Patton, as a man of honor, was not a masochistic villian who wanted to starve, enslave, steal, and decimate Germany
 ..TM7
So far, your comment is truthful. :o
 
 
Patton, as a man of honor, was not a masochistic villian who wanted to starve, enslave, steal, and decimate Germany as the Baruch-Morganthau plan mandated...this is all historical record. It is also actual history that Eisenhower relieved Patton of this duty, specifically because he DID NOT carry out the letter of the Morganthau Plan, and particularly the punitive JCS 1067. This is all historical record despite those that would obsfuscate, or attempt to re-write this important histroy.  I wholely recommend researching this part of Patton's career which was ended rather abruptly. For some reason there are some who do not want us to freely study this particular part of Patton's life and thus function to prevent discussion or discovery....go figure that one..
 ..TM7
 
This is a complete fabrication.  The Baruch-Morganthau plan did not mandate that Patton be ordered to: "to starve, enslave, steal, and decimate Germany as the Baruch-Morganthau plan mandated...this is all historical record."  And most definitely not historical record.  For information on what the plan actually was about, all you have to do is look at this link:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgenthau_Plan
 
    No record of anything even remotely, approaching your claims, about "decimating" Germany, it's people, and specifically nothing about ordering Patton to "decimate" millions of German POW's as you continually claim. :o If it's historical record, where are the records?
    Your claim that Eisenhower relieved Patton of his command, is also true.  But your claim that he was relieved of command for not "carry[ing] out the letter of the Morganthau Plan, " is without factual basis.  Your further attempt to include "and particularly the punitive JCS 1067." is laughable, since the alleged footnote, leads to a bogus "unknown URL".  So where is your historical record?
 
 
After the close of World War II, Patton (now a full general) became the occupation commander of Bavaria, and made arrangements for saving the world-famous Lipizzaner stallions of Vienna, fearing that the Red Army would slaughter the horses for food. Patton was relieved of duty after openly revolting against the punitive occupation directive JCS 1067.[113] His view of the war was that with Hitler gone, the German army could be rebuilt into an ally in a potential war against the Russians, whom Patton notoriously despised and considered a greater menace than the Germans. During this period, he wrote that the Allied victory would be in vain if it led to a tyrant worse than Hitler and an army of "Mongolian savages" controlling half of Europe. Eisenhower had at last had enough, relieving him of duty.
 .  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton .
 ..TM7
 
Amazingly, most of the above paragraph is factual, with the exception of the part underlined and in bold.  The real reason was Eisenhower (Patton's superior) was tired of Patton openly criticizing his decisions.  See below, or go to:   http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/1900s/p/patton.htm

George Patton - Postwar With the end of the war, Patton enjoyed a brief trip home to Los Angeles where he and Lieutenant General Jimmy Doolittle were honored with a parade. Assigned to be the military governor of Bavaria, Patton was irritated not to receive a combat command in the Pacific.  Openly critical of Allied occupation policy and believing that the Soviets should be forced back to their borders, Patton was relieved by Eisenhower in November 1945 and assigned to the Fifteenth Army which was tasked with writing the history of the war.  Patton died on December 21, 1945, from injuries sustained in a car accident twelve days earlier.

 
And BTW, Until recently, it was only speculation that Patton had been assassinated. I certainly don't know for sure. But after is auto accident he seemed to be recovering nicely. Andut it is known for a fact an agent of the well-known OSS (Office of Strategic Services) or American military spy, a certain Douglas Bazata, a Jew of Lebanese origin, announced it in front of 450 invited guests; high ranking, ex-members of the OSS, in the Hilton Hotel in Washington, the 25th of September, 1979. Bazata said, word-for-word:
  "For diverse political reasons, many extremely high-ranking persons hated Patton. I know who killed him. Because I am the one who was hired to do it. Ten thousand dollars. General William Donovan himself, director of the O.S.S, entrusted me."
 So go figure that one..... ???
 ..TM7
 
Ah TM, I was wondering when that (Douglas Bazata, a Jew) would come out.  ::) Here are the real facts:
 
 Conspiracy Theories: The Mysterious Death of General Patton  Published December 19, 2008
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    Was General George S. Patton murdered?
On December 21, 1945, America's iconic four-star General, who had triumphed from the deserts of North Africa to Hitler's doorstep, was pronounced dead at the 130th Field Hospital in Heidelberg, Germany. He was 60-years-old.
Twelve days earlier, General Patton had set off on a pheasant hunting trip near Mannheim when his Cadillac staff car collided with a two-and-a-half ton U.S. Army truck. Patton was immediately paralyzed from the neck down. His driver, PFC Horace Woodring and his chief of staff, General Hap Gay, walked away with barely a scratch. Was it just a freak automobile accident as the Army concluded or was it, as some conspiracy theorists believe, a calculated assassination attempt by the Russians or the OSS?
In "War Stories Investigates: The Remarkable Life and Mysterious Death of General Patton," we tried to uncover the truth. Our investigation uncovered very few records from the accident. When we dug through Patton's military personnel file at the National Archives in St. Louis, out of more than 1300 pages of documents, a mere 15 were devoted to the car crash. Strangely, the Army accident report went missing shortly after the accident.
Catch the "War Stories Classic: The Remarkable Life and Mysterious Death of General Patton," Mon., December 22 at 3 a.m. ET
We traveled to Germany with Oliver North to the scene of the crash and to the hospital room where Patton spent his last days. We also stepped inside Patton's restored 1939 Cadillac, which is on display at the Patton Museum of Cavalry and Armor at Ft. Knox in Kentucky.
Several of Patton's grandchildren spoke to us, including grandson James Patton Totten, who said, "My grandmother had hired several private detectives to investigate it and they didn't find anything to substantiate the rumor."
We met up with Patton's granddaughter Helen Patton Plusczyk in Heidelberg at the Christ Church where her grandfather's funeral was held. She recalled one of the conspiracy theories she'd heard over the years: "The most outrageous one came from a mysterious colonel, who had been a spy for the Russians, the Germans, and Americans during the war, operating radio stations in Normandy. That a nurse, or a medical aide, had been instructed by someone, to — as soon as my grandmother would leave the hospital room — open the windows of Grandpa's room, so that he would contract pneumonia."
We tracked down Bertha Hohle, the 24-year-old nurse from Minnesota who cared for the general in the hospital: "He said to me once, 'Why can't I feel my hands?' That's really hard to tell somebody that, look at that, you can't use your arms." Bertha did not feel that Patton was murdered. She believed he died from pulmonary edema and congestive heart failure, which were cited as the official causes of death. An autopsy was never performed.
One person who strongly believes Patton was murdered was military author and journalist Robert Wilcox. Speaking publicly for the first time, Wilcox told "War Stories Investigates" that OSS spymaster William "Wild Bill" Donovan ordered an agent to kill the often outspoken general because he wanted to drag America into another war… with Russia. Wilcox told us: "[Douglas] Bazata is a world class marksman. And he shot, at close range, a special weapon into that car and that's what broke his neck."
When the accident failed to kill Patton, Wilcox said that a Russian agent snuck into Patton's room to poison him." Military Historian Kevin Hymel disagreed strongly with Wilcox's theories: "Yes, he did have enemies. But did he have enemies that were so afraid of him, that they would kill him? That's a pretty far stretch."
While General Patton's death may forever be shrouded in mystery, one thing is certain, he was a brilliant military leader. Retired Brigadier General Albin Irzyk, a tank commander who led Patton's 3rd Army to Bastogne, said it best: "He's the purest warrior we've ever had, I think he's by far the greatest field commander we've ever had. He couldn't have been a Marshall, he couldn't have been an Eisenhower, he was Patton. He climbed his mountain. There's nothing left for him to conquer."
— Cyd Upson is "War Stories" senior producer. Michael Weiss is "War Stories" producer
 
 Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469688,00.html#ixzz1l6XjgBwv
 
 TM - I guess I was right, when I told you that your claim about Patton belonged in the Conspiracy section.  Your claim about Patton's alleged actions were also a violation of the rules concerning hijacking of the thread "Freakin' IDJITS! from subdjoe". 
 For my part, I refuse to answer any more of your nonsense regarding Patton on this thread.
 Have a nice day now, you hear? ;D
 
 
 
 
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Re: Freakin' IDJITS!
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2012, 12:25:38 AM »
I've locked this one because TM7 and OSR ironically can't stop having a pissing contest.  Everybody make sure to thank them for taking this thread so far OT.
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