Author Topic: Green Mountain 58cal barrel (Read 1995 times)

Dogmann · « **on:** January 14, 2012, 12:06:59 PM »

Does anyone here have a green mountain replacement barrel in 58cal ? Does it shoot better with conicals or ball? It states it's for 1inch TC receivers..... Besides
The big boar what other TCs are 1inch?

IronBrigade · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2012, 03:00:12 PM »

The 58 caliber green mountain barrels have a slow 1:70 twist for rb. I don't own one, but I'm sure you could shoot certain conicals with reasonable accuracy with that barrel.

30HERRETT · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2012, 01:46:17 AM »

Renegades are all 1"

Hawkens in 54 and 58 are 1"

Dogmann · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2012, 02:27:40 AM »

Green Mountain on their web site state that this barrel is round ball specific .... But that twist is awful slow.....?

41cal · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:08:25 AM »

54 and 58 cal hawkens and all renegades have 1" barrels

Semisane · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2012, 10:17:46 AM »

I have a .58 caliber (1:70 twist) Green Mountain barrel with a TC Hunter Peep sight on a TC Hawken stock.

It shoots OK.

Why even bother with conicals? That big ball will do anylthing that needs doing. Here's a doe I shot from the box stand you see in the background (something like 70 yards). I had to track her a full six feet, but the blood trail was good.

Dogmann · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2012, 12:35:56 PM »

!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that's AWESOME!

pab1 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2012, 01:13:33 PM »

Quote from: Semisane on January 17, 2012, 10:17:46 AM

Why even bother with conicals? That big ball will do anylthing that needs doing.

X2!

Dogmann · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2012, 02:53:23 PM »

QUESTION!......

Will the GM 58 barrel fit in a TC big boar stock? GM states this is for a Renegade/Hawkin stock only...??

bubba.50 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2012, 04:46:08 PM »

the t/c big boar is a renegade. i have nothing against roundballs but in my opinion they're about as aggravatin' to load as sabots so i shoot maxi's and lee r.e.a.l. bullets in my grn mtn slow twist bbls and they shoot as good as i can. the lee's especially work well for me. my opinion and yer welcome to it. luck and have a good'en friend, bubba.

pab1 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2012, 05:34:13 PM »

Quote from: bubba.50 on January 17, 2012, 04:46:08 PM

the t/c big boar is a renegade.

Other than minor differences in the stocks they are the same.

MikeC · « **Reply #11 on:** January 19, 2012, 05:09:25 PM »

I should have read this thread before starting one with a question answered here.
Semisane, looking at the notes on your target you provided in your post, it looks like you loaded a 58 cal PRB with 85 gr. of FFg. Is that the load you took the deer with? What is the recoil of the 58 compared to a 54 of equal load?

Rock Home Isle · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2012, 04:06:20 AM »

That is pretty good shot placement there Semisane. Very nice.

Semisane · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2012, 10:13:31 AM »

MikeC, I was using 95 grains GOEX FFg when I took that doe. That's a long heavy barrel that soaks up recoil. It's no more than what I would classify as "moderate" with loads in the 95 grain range, and "light to moderate" with 85 grains. At any rate, 35 or 40 shots with 85/95 grain loads in an afternoon shooting session do not bother me at all. I start noticing recoil with charges of 105 grains or higher. Though even those loads aren't real bad. They just aren't as accurate for me as the 85 - 95 grain loads. Compared to a .54 - a slightly noticeable difference, but not much.

beaverman · « **Reply #14 on:** January 22, 2012, 03:55:39 PM »

Quote from: Dogmann on January 15, 2012, 02:27:40 AM

Green Mountain on their web site state that this barrel is round ball specific .... But that twist is awful slow.....?

That 1;70 twist is optimum for RB!

tacklebury · « **Reply #15 on:** January 22, 2012, 04:02:50 PM »

I personally like the concept of Forsythe Rifling. Been hoping to build a RB only underhammer for a long time. Forsythe is actually around 1:104 up to 1:130 ratio. Stabilizes 62+ caliber balls very well.

Dogmann · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2012, 04:17:49 PM »

I got my GM 58 today!!

Dogmann · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2012, 11:19:28 AM »

Well I got my 58 in Febuary and today I finally got to shoot it. One word- Awesome!
Two words- Badd A**! Really a great gun and better bigger hunk of lead ... I want another !!!

tacklebury · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2012, 01:24:36 PM »

Cool, almost ready to load up some .625 RB's in the smoothbore I'm making.

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2012, 05:17:24 PM »

Dogman, you must have gotten the last 58. GM says August and they keep pushing it back.
P.A.

Dogmann · « **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:10:15 PM »

I did....

wiley · « **Reply #21 on:** July 20, 2012, 03:32:17 AM »

These are on special, wonder what the twist is??
http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/greenmountainspecials/58-gatling-cut-rifled-barrel-blank-28-x-125

Semisane · « **Reply #22 on:** July 20, 2012, 08:53:47 AM »

I've been looking at those myself for a possible build Wiley. But DANG - a 1.25" round barrel has got to be a bit on the the heavy side.

Dogmann · « **Reply #23 on:** July 26, 2012, 04:47:14 PM »

While on the the subject of .58's...

What is the twist of a TC big boar?
What is the twist of a TC custom shops renegade 58?

Thanks!

BE Wild Willy · « **Reply #24 on:** July 26, 2012, 06:41:00 PM »

Here's a link for consideration...

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/chart_muzzleloaders.php

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #25 on:** August 13, 2012, 09:11:13 AM »

The Green Mountian 58 drop-in will not be available until September. I have yet another Renegade Hunter stock waiting for a 58 barrel. Since June I have had two other stocks prepped for a GM 58. Both of those are now 56 smoothies. If the GM58 doesn't show up in Sept this stock may end up a 62 smoothbore. We will see.

Aim before you shoot, P.A.

update: I got a nice GM 58 from bubba50. 32inchs is a looooooooong little doggie.

update: Midway [offers GM barrels at a lower price] has discontinued barrel #255271. That is the 58.
They had been pushing the available date back, now it appears they gave up.