interesting article

[KIMBER45]

http://news.yahoo.com/why-gay-parents-may-best-parents-131902676.html

[powderman]

Liberal lies. POWDERMAN. 

[KIMBER45]

Liberal lies. POWDERMAN. 

I'd be interested in reading a similiar study proving these are lies. Do you have any such articles?

[Brett]

Liberal lies. POWDERMAN. 

I'd be interested in reading a similiar study proving these are lies. Do you have any such articles?

Yes, I believe the were published in a little collection of books called the Holy Bible.

[KIMBER45]

Liberal lies. POWDERMAN. 

I'd be interested in reading a similar study proving these are lies. Do you have any such articles?

Yes, I believe the were published in a little collection of books called the Holy Bible.

Any recent studies contradicting the article? I don't want this to turn into a religious discussion.

[magooch]

I started to read the article, but it was more than a bit queer.  So that queered it for me.  It's a queer thing how some folks want to dwell on some of the queer things that go on now days. 

[Empty Quiver]

The ability to produce these well raised children, where does that come into play?


I have this little theory that through the eons of human evolution the species has pretty well gotten procreation and child rearing down pat. Experimentation will continue to occur, but I tend to doubt this will prove to be a viable alternative. There were those who sacrificed virgins to the sun gods, that was a trip down the wrong road too.


Many things can be made to work, same sex parenting among them, but don't confuse this with optimal.

[KIMBER45]

I started to read the article, but it was more than a bit queer.  So that queered it for me.  It's a queer thing how some folks want to dwell on some of the queer things that go on now days.

I would like some honest discussion on this topic. I wonder if I'm just wasting my time hoping to get it!

[teamnelson]

I could provide you with recent research showing domestic violence is a factor higher (2-3x) in same sex couples; that suicidal ideation and completion is higher amongst same sex couples; dealing with sexually transmitted disease in the family, which is documented as some times the motivating factor in a same sex couple remaining committed to each other. All of these are present in straight families, but at a higher rate amongst same sex couples. Other studies show PTSD, alcohol/substance abuse, depression are also higher in same sex couples. I work in this field, I see it all the time.

It's all out there, published in academic journals subject to peer review. Not popular to discuss by the MSM true, as it dispels the shangri-la myth of the homosexual activist agenda. Not to sound trite, but many of the homosexuals I relate with are upfront about their issues, and recognize the dangers associated. Many opt not to have/adopt children recognizing its a toxic environment; and homosexuals cannot accidentally turn up pregnant. We all know of straight couples that turned up pregnant, got married thinking that would make it better, and were lousy parents.

Real parenting studies compare methodologies; this is a cause looking for proof. Gay doesn't make you a better or worse parent, and there are some real issues present in a same sex family you will not find in a straight family, that directly impact children

[KIMBER45]

I could provide you with recent research showing domestic violence is a factor higher (2-3x) in same sex couples; that suicidal ideation and completion is higher amongst same sex couples; dealing with sexually transmitted disease in the family, which is documented as some times the motivating factor in a same sex couple remaining committed to each other. All of these are present in straight families, but at a higher rate amongst same sex couples. Other studies show PTSD, alcohol/substance abuse, depression are also higher in same sex couples. I work in this field, I see it all the time.

It's all out there, published in academic journals subject to peer review. Not popular to discuss by the MSM true, as it dispels the shangri-la myth of the homosexual activist agenda. Not to sound trite, but many of the homosexuals I relate with are upfront about their issues, and recognize the dangers associated. Many opt not to have/adopt children recognizing its a toxic environment; and homosexuals cannot accidentally turn up pregnant. We all know of straight couples that turned up pregnant, got married thinking that would make it better, and were lousy parents.

Real parenting studies compare methodologies; this is a cause looking for proof. Gay doesn't make you a better or worse parent, and there are some real issues present in a same sex family you will not find in a straight family, that directly impact children

I find this topic very interesting. If possible, could you please send me some of the articles stated above. And thank you for your contribution.

[powderman]

KIMBER 45. Gods word is as true today as it was thousands of years ago. God has not changed, man has. Homosexuals should never, EVER, be allowed to raise children or be in authority over them. The kids are raised with the same perverted ideas of their parents, in their own sick image. A shame to see lives wasted and souls lost. Below is some scripture you can look up if you are really interested in what God has to say about it. POWDERMAN. 
 
Romans. 1st ch, verses 26-28.
1st Corinthians ch 6 verse 9.
Leviticus ch 18 verse22--ch 20 verse 13.
Ephesians ch 5 vs 12.
Deuteronomy. ch 22 vs5--ch 23 vs 17, 18
2nd Kings ch 23 vs 7
1st Kings ch 14 vs24--ch 15 vs 12
1st Timothy ch 1 vs 8-11.
Jude ch 7.

[teamnelson]

Kimber45,

This is dated - there are some excellent books written on this, most of what I read is in scholarly articles that I cannot repost here.

The  prevalence of domestic violence among Gay and Lesbian couples is approximately  25 - 33%. It is as common as it is in heterosexual relationships. (Barnes, It's Just a Quarrel', American Bar Association  Journal, February 1998, p. 25.)
Each  year, between 50,000 and 100,000 Lesbian women and as many as 500,000 Gay men  are battered. (Murphy, Queer  Justice: Equal Protection for Victims of Same-Sex Domestic Violence, 30 Val. U.  L. Rev. 335 (1995).)
While  same-sex battering mirrors heterosexual battering both in type and prevalence,  its victims receive fewer protections. (Barnes,  It's Just a Quarrel', American Bar Association Journal, February 1998, p. 24.)
In  a 1988 study of gay and lesbian teens, results showed that the third most  frequently reported problem for gay teens was violence. Over 40% of the sample  had suffered violence because of their sexual orientation, and 49% of the  violence occurred within the family.  (Martin, A. D., & Hetrick, E. A. (1988). The stigmatization of the Gay and Lesbian adolescent. Journal of Homosexuality, 17,  163-183.)

Since the 90's trend lines of domestic abuse in LGBT couples have surpassed opposite sex couples as a natural result of better data collection - the more accepting society has become, the more likely they are to report, etc.

Here's an article on the impact of Domestic Violence on children: http://www.dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C74/
My professional experience has resonated with the article - children raised around DV are not well parented.

Suicide in LGBT community: I apologize for this link, its a gay pride site, but it has a good synopsis with reference to studies. http://www.youthprideri.org/Resources/Statistics/tabid/227/Default.aspx

Salient point:

Gay and lesbian youth are 2 to 3 times more likely to attempt suicide than heterosexual young people.

There's more for depression, substance abuse, etc. I don't think you'll find it difficult to unearth more. The LGBT community is open to themselves about the problems as they are trying to help each other out. They are not so open in front of the camera, of course, its embarassing.

Really up until the Diagnostic Statistical Manual IV, which is the behavioral health clinician's desktop reference, homosexuality was always associated with depression. The language was toned down as the lifestyle became more publicly acceptable, but the data is still there. Genuine happiness, self-contentment, etc. is very rare in the LGBT community - which many within the community blame on those outside putting stress on them. But the data from within the counseling room reveals that the depression comes from within - they are not happy. Many admit to be unhappy before discovering or coming out, and hoped that coming out would make them happy.

I'm keeping faith out of the dialogue per your request. I would suggest though that this is another instance where science corroborates the wisdom provided by the faith community.

[KIMBER45]

Kimber45,

This is dated - there are some excellent books written on this, most of what I read is in scholarly articles that I cannot repost here.

The  prevalence of domestic violence among Gay and Lesbian couples is approximately  25 - 33%. It is as common as it is in heterosexual relationships. (Barnes, It's Just a Quarrel', American Bar Association  Journal, February 1998, p. 25.)
Each  year, between 50,000 and 100,000 Lesbian women and as many as 500,000 Gay men  are battered. (Murphy, Queer  Justice: Equal Protection for Victims of Same-Sex Domestic Violence, 30 Val. U.  L. Rev. 335 (1995).)
While  same-sex battering mirrors heterosexual battering both in type and prevalence,  its victims receive fewer protections. (Barnes,  It's Just a Quarrel', American Bar Association Journal, February 1998, p. 24.)
In  a 1988 study of gay and lesbian teens, results showed that the third most  frequently reported problem for gay teens was violence. Over 40% of the sample  had suffered violence because of their sexual orientation, and 49% of the  violence occurred within the family.  (Martin, A. D., & Hetrick, E. A. (1988). The stigmatization of the Gay and Lesbian adolescent. Journal of Homosexuality, 17,  163-183.)

Since the 90's trend lines of domestic abuse in LGBT couples have surpassed opposite sex couples as a natural result of better data collection - the more accepting society has become, the more likely they are to report, etc.

Here's an article on the impact of Domestic Violence on children: http://www.dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C74/
My professional experience has resonated with the article - children raised around DV are not well parented.

Suicide in LGBT community: I apologize for this link, its a gay pride site, but it has a good synopsis with reference to studies. http://www.youthprideri.org/Resources/Statistics/tabid/227/Default.aspx

Salient point:

Gay and lesbian youth are 2 to 3 times more likely to attempt suicide than heterosexual young people.

There's more for depression, substance abuse, etc. I don't think you'll find it difficult to unearth more. The LGBT community is open to themselves about the problems as they are trying to help each other out. They are not so open in front of the camera, of course, its embarassing.

Really up until the Diagnostic Statistical Manual IV, which is the behavioral health clinician's desktop reference, homosexuality was always associated with depression. The language was toned down as the lifestyle became more publicly acceptable, but the data is still there. Genuine happiness, self-contentment, etc. is very rare in the LGBT community - which many within the community blame on those outside putting stress on them. But the data from within the counseling room reveals that the depression comes from within - they are not happy. Many admit to be unhappy before discovering or coming out, and hoped that coming out would make them happy.

I'm keeping faith out of the dialogue per your request. I would suggest though that this is another instance where science corroborates the wisdom provided by the faith community.

good stuff- thanks for the info.