Author Topic: .458 300 gr HP Remington bullet (Read 1761 times)

BBF · « **on:** January 17, 2012, 07:31:13 AM »

Very recently I had the chance to "bleed" one of my Handi's in 45-70 Govt on a Red Deer Doe with a handloaded cartridge.

35.0 gr of SR 4759 book value 1780 fps from a 28" barrel which is less then the factory load
I guesstimate an impact velocity of approx 1600 feet at 35 yards from the Handi.

The entrance hole broke on rib and damaged the ones on either side. Both lungs were liquefied.
I suspect somewhere inside the chest the bullet came apart into at least two pieces since we had two exit holes.

One piece broke another rib going out, the other destroyed enough of the shoulder to make it scrap.

I do not have any beef with Rems CorLokt bullets, the HP is another story.

I do have the 405 gr FN's, unfortunately the 300 gr.bullets group much better.
Does anyone use the Sierra,Federal or Hornady bullets in the same weight and how did you like them?

keith44 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:26:14 AM »

I will report on the Hornady 300 gr hollow points next year when I actually have the opportunity to use them.

rbursek · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:46:26 AM »

I had a Sierra 300gr HP blow up on a fat fall black bear at 15yds back in the 80's, now Sierra reccomends the 300gr HP for varmints. I think what you got was the performance that bullet would do at that velocity and range. It maybe made for slower velocities and/or light game as white tail.

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2012, 11:08:02 AM »

Fill the hollowpoint with JB Weld.

tacklebury · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2012, 02:42:08 PM »

I found too much meat damage on the 300 hp personally. I have switched to the Hornady 350 gr. FP and really love it thus far. It's just as consistent and accurate as the 300 and won't explode on bone. Great penetration.

Swampman · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2012, 02:56:31 PM »

Quote from: BBF on January 17, 2012, 07:31:13 AM

Very recently I had the chance to "bleed" one of my Handi's in 45-70 Govt on a Red Deer Doe with a handloaded cartridge.

35.0 gr of SR 4759 book value 1780 fps from a 28" barrel which is less then the factory load
I guesstimate an impact velocity of approx 1600 feet at 35 yards from the Handi.

The entrance hole broke on rib and damaged the ones on either side. Both lungs were liquefied.
I suspect somewhere inside the chest the bullet came apart into at least two pieces since we had two exit holes.

One piece broke another rib going out, the other destroyed enough of the shoulder to make it scrap.

I do not have any beef with Rems CorLokt bullets, the HP is another story.

I do have the 405 gr FN's, unfortunately the 300 gr.bullets group much better.
Does anyone use the Sierra,Federal or Hornady bullets in the same weight and how did you like them?

The deer died.....seems like the bullet worked fine to me.

twoshooter · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2012, 04:15:23 PM »

I have shot many whitetails with those bullets without issue, I found that 270, 30-06 and 7mm mag all produced greater tissue damage and meat loss. You might want to slow them down a little more and see. Unless you are a factory rep or something or a professional hunter, you never get to shoot enough game to really learn how bullets perform. Decades ago my friend and I would buy goats, injured or sick animals at the local auction, etc very cheap and shoot them and then do autopsies on the carcass to see how the bullets performed, then use the remains for coyote bait. Probably would not go over so well today.

Hooker · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2012, 04:50:25 PM »

I've been using the Hornady 300 hp for years with good success from point blank to 267 yards.
I use IMR4198 and it kicks the bullet at out a little over 2000 fps. Not a max load but still pretty healthy.
I use the same load for deer and hogs and you can eat right up to the bullet hole. Although the exit holes are a good size I've never seen signs of bullet fragmentation.

Pat

Florida Jim · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2012, 05:28:48 PM »

I had the same problem with 30gr hp's.
I switched to 300gr Nosler partition PP's. They've given me excellent results on the two deer That I've shot with them.
Jim

Larry L · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2012, 06:22:06 PM »

I load the Remmy HP s and as long as you keep them around 1400'ps or slower they perform picture perfect. Unless you are shooting a long distance, you don't need the velocity with a 45-70, you've got LOTS of energy in that slow, heavy pill.

keith44 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2012, 07:50:03 PM »

Quote from: Larry L on January 17, 2012, 06:22:06 PM

I load the Remmy HP s and as long as you keep them around 1400'ps or slower they perform picture perfect. Unless you are shooting a long distance, you don't need the velocity with a 45-70, you've got LOTS of energy in that slow, heavy pill.

Sorry Larry, 1,400 fps with a 300 grain bullet is only 1,305 ft lbs of energy, at the muzzle. that is not lots in my book. Move that same 300 grain bullet at 1,800 fps and you get 2,158 ft lbs at this level we are talking lots.

Swampman · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2012, 10:59:13 PM »

Premium bullets and high velocity aren't needed with the .45-70. Cast lead bullets and Trapdoor velocities will kill anything in North America.

keith44 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 18, 2012, 08:17:44 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on January 17, 2012, 10:59:13 PM

Premium bullets and high velocity aren't needed with the .45-70. Cast lead bullets and Trapdoor velocities will kill anything in North America.

yup, and that extra velocity is insurance for something at an odd angle, and at an unknown range that might be too far.

Swampman · « **Reply #13 on:** January 19, 2012, 12:04:41 AM »

A hard cast bullet will shoot through anything walking. A premium bullet rarely will.

BBF · « **Reply #14 on:** January 19, 2012, 09:23:59 AM »

Quote from: Larry L on January 17, 2012, 06:22:06 PM

I load the Remmy HP s and as long as you keep them around 1400'ps or slower they perform picture perfect. Unless you are shooting a long distance, you don't need the velocity with a 45-70, you've got LOTS of energy in that slow, heavy pill.

My thinking as well, I'll bring it down to just above 405 gr factory velocity and see how it groups. I don't worry about anything far out since I don't have the hunting condition that warant this. All "harvesting" is done for the winter.

Swampy:
Yes the Deer died, I like to waste as little meat as possible and loosing one front leg/shoulder isn't taken lightly. Of course I could have aimed a big further back if you know the bullet is coming apart but then what would get ruined?

Swampman · « **Reply #15 on:** January 19, 2012, 09:35:11 AM »

Ribs which aren't worth fooling with?

cjrjck · « **Reply #16 on:** January 19, 2012, 04:00:21 PM »

A heavy, hard cast, big meplat .458 slug is hard to beat in the 45/70.

Just my opinion but with the lightweight, lightly constructed 300 grain .458 jacketed bullets, velocity can be your enemy. Pushed to 1800+ fps and they may fall apart. Pushed to only 1400 fps and they behave like a 300 grain jacketed bullet bullet out of a 44 Mag or 45 Colt at that same speed (very good). But why not then just shoot your 45 or 44? The 300 Grain Barnes TSX would be an exception to this rule. It will expand well at 1400 fps and still hold together at 1800 fps. At that speed, the petals will fall off at some point but the remaining flat nosed slug will continue on. The 350 grain Speer FP is excellent at higher speeds. But to me, the best jacketed bullet for the 45/70 is the 350 grain Hornady FP. It expands even at the lower velocities but easily handles the higher velocities.

tacklebury · « **Reply #17 on:** January 19, 2012, 04:44:11 PM »

On the deer I hit, it was at 50 yards almost broadside, the bullet went in hit a rib and by the time it exited, it'd obliterated 3 ribs on the near side, 5 vertebrae and the top of 5 ribs on the far side. It came out the side of the deer the size of my big paws fist... That's too much devastation and waste on meat in my book, not to mention 1/2 my straps destroyed.... If I shot this bullet again, it'd only be at much lower velocity or a head shot on a doe..

BBF · « **Reply #18 on:** January 20, 2012, 08:35:05 AM »

Quote from: cjrjck on January 19, 2012, 04:00:21 PM

A heavy, hard cast, big meplat .458 slug is hard to beat in the 45/70.

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........................................... But to me, the best jacketed bullet for the 45/70 is the 350 grain Hornady FP. It expands even at the lower velocities but easily handles the higher velocities.

Both of my Handi's shoot the Hdy 350 gr RN consistently well. Both the FN and RN bullets require, according to Hornady, a MV of 1800 fps minimum.
That is more then I like to shoot with. If it was moose or elk, yes.

KIMBER45 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 03, 2012, 01:41:02 PM »

I shoot the 405 gr. Rem. bullet at about 1600fps. No complaints at all. Kills deer especially if they are in thick brush or small saplings as long as the saplings are within 2 feet of the deer.I'm speaking from experience. My friend shoots the 300 gr. bullet and ruins alot more meat than my 405 gr. bullet.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2012, 04:58:13 AM »

I tried the Hornady 300 grain HP's but have switched to the Hornady 350 GRain RN's or FP's ahead of 28.0 grains of 2400 in Remington brass. A great hunting load at about 1600 fps from what I can ascertain w/o a chronograph and have learned from others. I am loading it with 28.0 grains of the old (20+ years old) 2400 but will unfortunately soon have to switch over the the new 2400, which, according to what I have read is a bit different. I may have to bump up to somewhere between 28.5 and 29.0 grains of the new 2400 to get an load similar to the "old" 2400 load of 28.0 grains....<><....

HappyHunter · « **Reply #21 on:** April 08, 2012, 05:58:22 AM »

I took two deer last year with the 300gr jhp rem bullet. They where loaded up in a 458 Socom cartridge, and went about 1800 fps at muzzle.

First shot was broadside at about 75 yards. No recovery of bullet exit hole about 5/8-3/4 inch. Deer traveled 10 yards. this was a heart lung shot.

2nd shot was a deer at 50 yards, quartering forward. Shot entered in front of shoulder and was recovered behind rear oppisite quarter. Expansion was a picture perfect mushroom, I found "meat lose" acceptable.

Again these are traveling at aprox. 1800 fps.

This year I will be playing with the 358 Hoosier. I can set up for much longer shots, and hope to do so.

Fred