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romneys weakness
« on: January 19, 2012, 11:24:25 AM »
No one especially the media is touching this and it will sink Romney faster than an Italian cruise ship. If discovered after the primary many will just give up and not vote making obama a shoo in. either way WE LOOSE.


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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2012, 11:45:38 AM »
Does not surprise me a bit. Mitt is nothing but a liberal, with the republican party and ole Mitt himself portraying him as a conservative. If Obama gets in again, then yes we loose. If Obama is elected, don't we as a country deserve him. After all its what we voted in. Of coarse I think we loose also if Mitt is the next prez.
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2012, 12:29:35 PM »
wondered when folks would notice this....Perry,Santorum,Paul, newt,all passed the 2nd Am. litmus test..I hate to support Romney....so I lose both ways...

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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2012, 12:38:15 PM »
Mitt suported the semi-auto ban in 2008 and lied about being a hunter. I would never vote for the RINO.

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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2012, 02:00:20 PM »
Thanks for posting this torpedoman, I'm glad people are starting to discover this. I lived in Massachusetts during his time as governor so I haven't forgotten any of it.

Another thing that ties in with this story that isn't mentioned in that excellent flier is this:
One of Romney's favorite lines is how he balanced the Mass budget without raising taxes. This of course is a complete lie, he raised fees which are just a tax of a different name. Two of the fees he raised were the following:

Mass concealed carry permit - was $25, Romney signed the fee increase which brought it up to $100.
Mass F.I.D. card (Mass won't let you buy a hunting rifle or shotgun without this card) - was $25, Romney signed the fee increase which brought it up to $100.

Some friend to gun owners, huh?

I have no clue as to why Republicans are voting for this guy other than they think he can beat Obama. What is the point of nominating a liberal gun grabber who signed a Socialist healthcare bill into law to run against a liberal gun grabber who signed a Socialist healthcare bill into law?
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2012, 02:01:18 PM »
Anybody but Obama.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2012, 04:37:00 PM »
Want to keep your guns, vote for only Constitutionalist running, Ron Paul.


I don't trust any of the others. Give them a bill with one of their pet projects on it, plus a small anti gun law tacked on, and they will sign it.  Anything unconstitutional given to Paul will be vetoed. He has always been consistent about such.
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2012, 04:55:48 PM »
torpedoman - Thanks for the heads up.  I was wondering as to why Mitt didn't return the GOA questionnaire, now I know.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2012, 05:21:49 PM »
Thanks for posting this torpedoman, I'm glad people are starting to discover this. I lived in Massachusetts during his time as governor so I haven't forgotten any of it.

Another thing that ties in with this story that isn't mentioned in that excellent flier is this:
One of Romney's favorite lines is how he balanced the Mass budget without raising taxes. This of course is a complete lie, he raised fees which are just a tax of a different name. Two of the fees he raised were the following:

Mass concealed carry permit - was $25, Romney signed the fee increase which brought it up to $100.
Mass F.I.D. card (Mass won't let you buy a hunting rifle or shotgun without this card) - was $25, Romney signed the fee increase which brought it up to $100.

Some friend to gun owners, huh?

I have no clue as to why Republicans are voting for this guy other than they think he can beat Obama. What is the point of nominating a liberal gun grabber who signed a Socialist healthcare bill into law to run against a liberal gun grabber who signed a Socialist healthcare bill into law?


exactly..Romney RINO
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2012, 06:08:15 PM »
Opposite of what the media & Dems say, Romney will be the easiest to beat, this is but one reason.
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2012, 06:10:05 PM »
I wish everyone in SC could see this before Sat.
Any thoughts, I don't know anyone there.
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 06:27:40 PM »
The Media knows,
They think Romney is the least likely to beat Obama and that is why they are not attacking him.
If we have the same candidate as last time the outcome will be the same.  A liberal rebublican is prefered if Obama is going to loose than any of the conservitives.  Even if the Press picks him and he is ellected, they will go after him tooth nad nail to make him a 1 term president.

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 07:32:32 PM »
  I cannot and will not vote for Romney in the general election. It that means we get 4 more years of Obama so be it. At least I will know I did not vote for the destruction of the constitution and a free America.
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2012, 11:26:25 PM »
If you allow Obama to stay in office that's what you voted for by default.
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2012, 12:42:39 AM »
If you allow Obama to stay in office that's what you voted for by default.

THIS IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY!!!!!  You will willingly vote for a socialist candidate who disguises himself as a conservative, who is anti-gun, is pro spending just so you can get rid of an anti gun pro spending President!

Obama = Romeny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
I'm voting 3rd party in this election by writing in Jesus Christ for president.  Sadly even if this were an option most of you would still vote Republican because "It's a two party system."

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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2012, 12:51:04 AM »
Romney has his flaws, no doubt about it. But anyone who thinks he's as bad for our future as O-Bummer hasn't been paying attention to at least one of the two.
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2012, 02:00:32 AM »
If you allow Obama to stay in office that's what you voted for by default.

THIS IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY!!!!!  You will willingly vote for a socialist candidate who disguises himself as a conservative, who is anti-gun, is pro spending just so you can get rid of an anti gun pro spending President!

Obama = Romeny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, folks who are too stuborn to admit they have to adapt are what's wrong with this country.  Evil exist because good men do nothing.  Are you going to do nothing again?
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2012, 02:25:11 AM »
If you allow Obama to stay in office that's what you voted for by default.

THIS IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY!!!!!  You will willingly vote for a socialist candidate who disguises himself as a conservative, who is anti-gun, is pro spending just so you can get rid of an anti gun pro spending President!

Obama = Romeny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Exactly , what has America benefited  with a Romney figurehead in office ...... Nothing, zip Nada , the big goose egg, status Quo. Cronyism.

In addition to the Anti-gun issues I have with him , I have other issues

1, “I want individuals to have their own insurance. That means the insurance company will have an incentive to keep you healthy. It also means that if you don’t like what they do, you can fire them. I like being able to fire people who provide services to me. You know, if someone doesn’t give me the good service I need, I want to say, ‘You know, I’m going to go get someone else to provide that service to me.’ “

Mitt misses the point ,
It's not that we cant fire our Health INS companies we can do that now, it's the fact they can fire us and do!!!.

2. "'There were a couple of times when I wondered whether I was going to get a pink slip".
 
Mitt misses the point -
Ok I'm knit picking however , There is a big difference in receiving a pink slip when your net worth is 50k or less a year , then when your net worth is 100 Billion or more.

3, "Corporations are people too"

Mitt misses the point -
No they are not. Citizens United is one of the worst rulings ever to be handed down from the Supreme Court. Corporations are entities not people and only beholding to specific people , their shareholders. Employees are a necessary overhead. If corporations can fully automate, reduce number of employees, reduce infrastructure, lower labor costs by off-shoring  -  they do. Thats not a jab, thats what corporations do. Corportaions are entities that exist to make profits for their stakeholders. They are not people.
 
4. I'll bet you 10 thousand dollars.

Mitt misses the point -
Ok I am knit picking here also , however Mitt doesn't understand how a bet like that is out of touch with the common man. Even Perry was set aback. To Mitt 10k is a tip, and a small wager. To the average middle class that's probably 1/4 of yearly income. No common man could wager that amount.  I am not faulting him it's just that's he has been in the upper brackets for so long you have lost touch with the real America.

5. "I got a little bit of income from my book, but I gave that all away. Then, I get speakers fees from time to time, but not very much.”

Mitt misses the point -
He calls 374k in speaking fees not very much. last year given the number of speeches he gave, that equates to 41k an hour , 374kk is 7 times more than most people made all year.  Again Mitt is out of touch with the common man. He  simply cannot represent the vast majority of conservative Americans because he is not cut from the same cloth. And rather than just embrace this fact he keeps trying to be a man of the Streets. Give me a break.

6.“For the past 10 years, my income comes overwhelmingly from investments made in the past, rather than ordinary income or earned annual income." “It’s probably closer to the 15 percent rate than anything,”

Now we come to the crux of my main issue with Mitt.
I cannot trust Mitt with true tax reform. Period.

I'm sure Mitt is doing everything leagle the Tax codes allow , but that's the problem. To only have to pay 15% because tax codes allow the most wealthy in our country lower tax rates with regards monies made off of investments etc, while that same tax code socks middle class workers with higher tax rates on earned income from working is just wrong.

I also have an issue with Mitts off-shore cayman island accounts that are set up to dodge paying ones fair share in taxes.

Under Mitts tax plan, taxes will increase on working poor and middle class while giving even more tax breaks to the most wealthy "Job creators? "  than they have now.  Mitts Cronys have had tax cuts for years. Where are the Jobs ? oh yeah offshore , and Mitt wants to provide them with even more tax breaks?. Trickle down economics has never worked ...ever!!!

I would no sooner put the The fox in charge of watching the hen house.. I have seen this all play before and know how it ends -  RINO, Status Quo, corporate cronysim , and out of touch with the common man. 

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2012, 02:30:36 AM »
If you allow Obama to stay in office that's what you voted for by default.

THIS IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH OUR COUNTRY!!!!!  You will willingly vote for a socialist candidate who disguises himself as a conservative, who is anti-gun, is pro spending just so you can get rid of an anti gun pro spending President!

Obama = Romeny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, folks who are too stuborn to admit they have to adapt are what's wrong with this country.  Evil exist because good men do nothing.  Are you going to do nothing again?

 
Evil exist because good men will vote for the lessor of two evils, because evil told them good can't win. I will not vote for the destruction of the constitution. I do not have to vote for the destruction of the constitution. Why should I have to vote for the speed of the destruction of my country when there still is a choice for freedom, because those responsible for the destruction of America say the constitutional candidate can't win?


I am not doing nothing. I am voting for Ron Paul. If Romney wins, I will vote for the Libertarian candidate.
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2012, 02:32:17 AM »
And that's doing nothing...
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2012, 02:35:33 AM »

No, folks who are too stuborn to admit they have to adapt are what's wrong with this country.  Evil exist because good men do nothing.  Are you going to do nothing again?

Actually, the question is "Are YOU going to do nothing again?" A vote for "the lesser of two evils" is simply approving of the destruction of freedom! If your principles mean that little to you, then you get what you deserve.
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2012, 02:39:31 AM »
I'm going to use a tactic that is well proven.  I'm going to vote against someone I don't like.  That's doing something.  Saying if I don't get my way, I'm taking my toys and going home is doing nothing.  You guys that got Obama elected will get him reelected.  That I'm pretty sure of.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2012, 02:48:47 AM »
And that's doing nothing...

 
No, that is doing what's right. Not voting is doing nothing. Voting for the slower destruction of the constitution is not an option for me. The internet black out shows we can beat these people if we all stick together. Voting the lessor of two evils is joining them. The republicans are better than the demarcates, but not much. If we want to keep America a free country we have a long fight ahead of us. I will not join the other side. Bush and Obama have been chipping away at the constitution, I will not vote for anybody that has will continue.
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2012, 03:03:44 AM »
Romney is a moderate by today's standards.  Gingrich and Santorium are slightly right of Center.  Ron Paul knows the constitution.  Hopefully one of the later three will beat Romney.  Gingrich will do better in debates with Obama.  Santorium is passionate about what he believes which is good.  Paul is also passionate about what he believes.  Too bad we can't get the slickness of Romney, the ability to debate of Gingrich, Santoriums passion, and Pauls love of the constitution and very limited Federal government all rolled into one. 

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2012, 04:14:10 AM »
This financial ship is heading over the edge of a cliff. In fact is there now with debt at 103% of GDP. The debt  is unpayable and unsustainable. When other countries stop buying our debt, the game is over. In fact, China and Russia have already begun decreasing their US debt holdings. When confidence is lost in our ability to pay, interest rates will begin to rise very rapidly. At that point we become Greece. Only one candidate will put this ship in reverse and it is not one of the three big government RINO candidates who have very little understanding of economics. It may already be too late, but there is at least a chance with Ron Paul. If you vote for one of the others, you might as well move to another country. The IMF cannot bail out the US.  It will get ugly.


I'm with Farmboy. What is there not to like about freedom and liberty? Capital always flows from a less free environment to a more free environment. Big government is the anathema of freedom. They are polar opposites.  Central Planning does not and has never worked anywhere it has been tried.
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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2012, 11:05:13 AM »
I'm going to use a tactic that is well proven.  I'm going to vote against someone I don't like.  That's doing something.  Saying if I don't get my way, I'm taking my toys and going home is doing nothing.  You guys that got Obama elected will get him reelected.  That I'm pretty sure of.

 
Compromising with evil by voting for the lessor of two evils is doing something(evil). I am not taking my toys and going home. I am fighting for my life and freedom. Those that voted for Obama got him elected. Those that voted for McCain in the primaries helped Obama win.


Those that vote for Romney in the primaries will help Obama win reelection.
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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2012, 12:51:44 PM »
Backing someone that can win is just logical.....nevermind :o
 
Backing someone who could win a sack race is illogical.
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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2012, 01:00:46 PM »
And that's doing nothing...

FACT: A vote for either Romney or Obama is a vote for a proven gun grabber that voted in favor of Socialist healthcare.

The end result is the same.

It's your right to be a prostitute for the Republican party if you want to be. I just think it's foolish that you're asking all of us to vote for a Socialist gun grabber just to replace Socialist gun grabber.
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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2012, 01:39:21 PM »
Backing someone that can win is just logical.....nevermind :o
 
Backing someone who could win a sack race is illogical.


Do you have something to add to this thread concerning Romney's weakness, or did you just come here to flame and troll? Most of your comments lead me to believe the latter.Stick to the subject
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« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2012, 01:47:31 PM »
I don't see that Romney has any weakness other than the fact that he's filthy stinking rich and he made most of it himself.  We could use someone like that.  I won't vote for him in the primary but I will in the Fall.
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