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« on: January 21, 2012, 04:04:23 PM »
I guess I was wrong about Ron Paul.  With a third place, distant second place and now fourth place finish, he obviously has the leadership skills, charisma and support that I argued he did not have.  Oh well, I stand humbled.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2012, 06:36:45 PM »
Quote from: Casull on January 21, 2012, 04:04:23 PM
I guess I was wrong about Ron Paul.  With a third place, distant second place and now fourth place finish, he obviously has the leadership skills, charisma and support that I argued he did not have.  Oh well, I stand humbled.

It's OK, just look at the bright side. We can now focus on which gun grabber is going to run against Obama.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 07:00:03 PM »
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Quote from: Casull on January 21, 2012, 04:04:23 PM
I guess I was wrong about Ron Paul.  With a third place, distant second place and now fourth place finish, he obviously has the leadership skills, charisma and support that I argued he did not have.  Oh well, I stand humbled.

It's OK, just look at the bright side. We can now focus on which gun grabber is going to run against Obama.

 
Thats about the size of it. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 05:31:21 AM »
Quote from: Doublebass73 on January 21, 2012, 06:36:45 PM
Quote from: Casull on January 21, 2012, 04:04:23 PM
I guess I was wrong about Ron Paul.  With a third place, distant second place and now fourth place finish, he obviously has the leadership skills, charisma and support that I argued he did not have.  Oh well, I stand humbled.

It's OK, just look at the bright side. We can now focus on which gun grabber is going to run against Obama.



Don't bet the farm on it! It's all about getting the delegate votes to win the Republican Nomination.

He expected to lose SC, and didn't want to waste his money on a state he couldn't win.Even with that said, he increased his overall  percentage increase of votes from 3.62% in 2008 run to 13% in 2012. In Iowa he went from 9.9% in 2008 to 21.4%. In NH, from 7.8% to 23%.

He did better in SC than most expected, and even picked up endorsement's from three state GOP Senators. This fight has just begun, and he will pick up more steam as it heads west.

keep your eye's on Colo. Nevada and Wash. It could wipe the smile off some of these faces that loved to make snide remarks, and root for the lesser candidates. :o . Make no mistake about it.........The RP Revolution is alive and well!
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 06:24:04 AM »
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It could wipe the smile off some of these faces that loved to make snide remarks, and root for the lesser candidates.

 
 
 
Yep, I know what you mean.  That's why I was just enjoying wiping a few smiles off those that make snide remarks about every other candidate. 
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 07:07:28 AM »
It was to be expected. SC is 2/3 evangelical - "kill them all for Christ". They even jeered R.P. with his bare mention of Christs law of the "golden rule". So, they vote for the angry adulterer. It must go back to 1637 when SC was the state Anglican party. Then they were a little more moderate. If you had moral thoughts that differed from them, they only confiscated your property, cut your ears off, and banished you from the colony. Then in 1660, along came the Levelers that believed that God created all men (even Indians) with natural rights of equality before the law. Oh what a den of vipers they were.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 07:48:12 AM »
Ouch.  Are you going to villianize the next state that dare not choose RP?   
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2012, 08:57:39 AM »
Put him into the "Also Ran" box.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2012, 09:00:37 AM »
Generally speaking, I like South Carolina: there are some nice people there, plus they have a long deer season with generous bag limits. On the other hand... their forebearers were stoopid, starting the war between the states. And nowadays SC is overrun by 'Conservative Christians' which are tied together by only a couple things... they don't like abortion, they don't like gay people, and they're sure God is on their side (just like the Jihadists). They're also infected with that strange combination of Christianity and jingoistic nationalism... they like the US being everywhere, and confuse 'defense' expenditures with patriotism. In other words, they're not given to careful consideration of anything outside their little circles.


So... for Ron Paul not to win SC kind of makes sense, esp. as he didn't do much campaigning there, relative to the others.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 09:29:47 AM »
Quote from: BBF on January 22, 2012, 08:57:39 AM
Put him into the "Also Ran" box.


Ron Paul is no quitter! Just hide and watch. It ain't over by a long shot.
No one on the Paul side thought it would be easy. Nothing worth fighting for ever is.

This country was founded by people who were told they didn't have a chance.
Washington fought against the odds and won!
According to historians’, approximately 40-45% colonists  actively supported the rebellion. About 15-20% of the population from the thirteen colonies remained loyal to the British, and the remainder were neutral. He help to win our independence without the support of over half his countrymen. ;) Even if Paul doesn't win the nomination, he wins because unlike last time, the GOP will need him, his idea's and supporters to win against Obama. He will even be helping those that would ridicule him! :o
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 11:22:10 AM »
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It could wipe the smile off some of these faces that loved to make snide remarks, and root for the lesser candidates.

 
 
 
Yep, I know what you mean.  That's why I was just enjoying wiping a few smiles off those that make snide remarks about every other candidate.

It must make you feel good to support candidates with a proven record of voting for gun control bills rather than a candidate who has a flawless record when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 01:04:00 PM »
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It must make you feel good to support candidates with a proven record of voting for gun control bills rather than a candidate who has a flawless record when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.

 
 
Why would you LEAP to that conclusion?  I haven't indicated that I've supported any candidate.  But, unlike some others, I also haven't indicated that I would vote for obama or sit out the election if I didn't get my SOLE choice.   
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 02:50:32 PM »
On Feb. the 20th, Veterans for Congressman Ron Paul will March on the White House to show support for Dr. Paul.If you live in the DC area and want to support Paul, this would be a great opportunity to do so.Active and Inactive Veterans are welcome to attend, and will be at the head of the group marching.Check out the link below for more info on the march.!




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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2012, 12:33:19 AM »
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Why would you LEAP to that conclusion?  I haven't indicated that I've supported any candidate.  But, unlike some others, I also haven't indicated that I would vote for obama or sit out the election if I didn't get my SOLE choice

What's funny is there are people on this website that are begging RP supporters NOT to vote at all...
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 01:16:19 AM »
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Why would you LEAP to that conclusion?  I haven't indicated that I've supported any candidate.  But, unlike some others, I also haven't indicated that I would vote for obama or sit out the election if I didn't get my SOLE choice

What's funny is there are people on this website that are begging RP supporters NOT to vote at all...
that's strange, I haven't seen that.
I had big hopes for Perry, but then switched to newt because he's the smartest and we've known him for 32 years.  but again, if Paul gets the nomination, I'll support him and even put his sign in my  yard.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2012, 03:58:21 AM »
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It must make you feel good to support candidates with a proven record of voting for gun control bills rather than a candidate who has a flawless record when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.
Didn't you mean to say the ONLY candidate of the bunch that voted against the law stopping the frivilous lawsuits against the firearms manufacturers, intended to drive them out of business by bankrupting them in lawsuits?
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 04:05:22 AM »
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It must make you feel good to support candidates with a proven record of voting for gun control bills rather than a candidate who has a flawless record when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.
Didn't you mean to say the ONLY candidate of the bunch that voted against the law stopping the frivilous lawsuits against the firearms manufacturers, intended to drive them out of business by bankrupting them in lawsuits?
that's right.  if that law had not passed, gun manufacturing would have ended in the USA.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2012, 04:10:33 AM »
Yes and without firearms and ammunition, the second ammendment would of been a moot point.....
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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2012, 05:41:33 AM »
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What's funny is there are people on this website that are begging RP supporters NOT to vote at all...

 
 
Very strange indeed.  I don't recall seeing this either.    ::)
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2012, 05:42:18 AM »
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It must make you feel good to support candidates with a proven record of voting for gun control bills rather than a candidate who has a flawless record when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.
Didn't you mean to say the ONLY candidate of the bunch that voted against the law stopping the frivilous lawsuits against the firearms manufacturers, intended to drive them out of business by bankrupting them in lawsuits?
that's right.  if that law had not passed, gun manufacturing would have ended in the USA.
GOA grades on the candidates:
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We already went over this in another thread:
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Dr. Paul wasn't willing to violate the Constitution even in favor of a well intentioned law. Apparently you guys have no problem violating the Constitution if it suits your agenda. Here is why he voted against it:
Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would remind my fellow supporters of gun rights that using unconstitutional federal powers to restrict state gun lawsuits makes it more likely those same powers will be used to restrict our gun rights. Despite these lawsuits, the number one threat to gun ownership remains a federal government freed of its constitutional restraints. Expanding that government in any way, no matter how just the cause may seem, is not in the interests of gun owners or lovers of liberty.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2012, 05:43:40 AM »
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Didn't you mean to say the ONLY candidate of the bunch that voted against the law stopping the frivilous lawsuits against the firearms manufacturers, intended to drive them out of business by bankrupting them in lawsuits?

 
 
I didn't know that.  I guess some people's definition of "flawless" is different than others.   ::)
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2012, 05:44:20 AM »
Quote from: Ranch13 on January 23, 2012, 03:58:21 AM
Quote from: Doublebass73 on January 22, 2012, 11:22:10 AM
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It must make you feel good to support candidates with a proven record of voting for gun control bills rather than a candidate who has a flawless record when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.
Didn't you mean to say the ONLY candidate of the bunch that voted against the law stopping the frivilous lawsuits against the firearms manufacturers, intended to drive them out of business by bankrupting them in lawsuits?



Ron Paul’s principles may be too hard for some to grasp! His point was that such commerce is not a federal issue but a state one, thus his vote against the bill.He doesn't favor the ability to sue gun makers, but that such tort issues are reserved to each state. 
By the way folks! Ron Paul has an  A+ GOA &NRA record. He is a believer in the Constitution not Institution.Because he believes in it, he practices what he preaches. That old spin that he is no friend to the gun owner ain't gonna fly. ::) This sounds to me like it comes from closet Obama supporters :o Think about it! He has a better chance of beating the O man, than any of the RINO'S




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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2012, 05:48:14 AM »
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It must make you feel good to support candidates with a proven record of voting for gun control bills rather than a candidate who has a flawless record when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.

 
 
Why would you LEAP to that conclusion?  I haven't indicated that I've supported any candidate.  But, unlike some others, I also haven't indicated that I would vote for obama or sit out the election if I didn't get my SOLE choice.
Every other Republican candidate still in the race besides Ron Paul has a record of voting in favor of multiple gun control bills. If you do decide to support a candidate besides Paul you will be voting for someone who thinks the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean what it says. Romney is the worst with Newt a close 2nd. Slick Rick is a little better than the other two but not by a whole lot.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2012, 05:50:28 AM »
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It must make you feel good to support candidates with a proven record of voting for gun control bills rather than a candidate who has a flawless record when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.

   
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Didn't you mean to say the ONLY candidate of the bunch that voted against the law stopping the frivilous lawsuits against the firearms manufacturers, intended to drive them out of business by bankrupting them in lawsuits?

 
 
I didn't know that.  I guess some people's definition of "flawless" is different than others.   ::)

Better call the GOA and let them know they don't know what they're talking about. An "A+" is flawless in my book.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2012, 05:54:18 AM »
Ron Paul, rated A+ by the GOA as opposed to the wussy field NRA? Yet another reason to support him....
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2012, 06:19:46 AM »
Well I suppose if you want to stand on that states rights  stuff, then you probably also have to be in severe disagreement with the Supreme Courts decisions to throw out the conviction of those in New Orleans after Katrina for not turnin in their guns, over turning the  DC gun ban, and the Chicago gun ban, after all those laws were all made on the state and local level....... ::)
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2012, 06:59:24 AM »
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Better call the GOA and let them know they don't know what they're talking about. An "A+" is flawless in my book.

 
 
Sorry, but I don't need someone else to tell me what "flawless" means.  I can figure that one out myself.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2012, 06:59:32 AM »
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Well I suppose if you want to stand on that states rights  stuff, then you probably also have to be in severe disagreement with the Supreme Courts decisions to throw out the conviction of those in New Orleans after Katrina for not turnin in their guns, over turning the  DC gun ban, and the Chicago gun ban, after all those laws were all made on the state and local level....... ::)
Nope, the Bill of RIghts also applies to the states.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2012, 07:33:14 AM »
Not if you follow Paul's line of rationalization for voting against the firearms manufactures defense bill. ::)
 Altho it may have been another example of his having tagged a couple barrels of pork to the bill, then voted against it, so he could say nope never voted for any bills with pork in them..... :o
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2012, 09:06:09 AM »
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Expanding that government in any way, no matter how just the cause may seem, is not in the interests of gun owners or lovers of liberty.


I wish there was some other way for neocons to learn this than the hard way. EVERY time the Federal Government passes a law, it increases its control over the people, and sets precedent. It is willful ignorance to look at his statement above as anti-gun; its the most pro-gun position voiced in Congress right now. Its a statement against the expansion of Federal powers into the gun issue. Some folks here are thinking checkers ... anti-gunners are thinking chess. Everytime you add even a smidgeon of control to the Fed, all it takes is one election and all those powers you gave the Fed are being used against use.


I don't want to keep flip flopping tyrants until I find the tyrant I agree with. How about no more tyrants at all?


Man, all I hear is fear coming from the GOP ...




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