Author Topic: Ron Paul (Read 8665 times)

mcbammer · « **Reply #120 on:** January 31, 2012, 05:08:57 AM »

Being a fiscal conservative myself . Ron Paul fits that profile to me more than the other candidates. I expect he will be a 3rd party candidate in general election.

BBF · « **Reply #121 on:** January 31, 2012, 08:09:31 AM »

Quote from: mcbammer on January 31, 2012, 05:08:57 AM

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....... I expect he will be a 3rd party candidate in general election.

If so, he will ensure a second term for the present Occupant.

teamnelson · « **Reply #122 on:** January 31, 2012, 12:31:25 PM »

Quote from: BBF on January 31, 2012, 08:09:31 AM

If so, he will ensure a second term for the present Occupant.

I hear this alot as though it is the worst possible outcome. It is horrible indeed, by I suggest to you what would be even worse is a false sense of security having ousted him only to replace him with someone identical in agenda and priorities. I say "even worse" because instead of continuing to fight for liberty, many here and elsewhere will rest on their laurels, feeling as though they had accomplished some great victory by ousting the Occupant. And as they rest, the Replacement (R) will strengthen the chains of slavery all the more tightly on wrists and ankles. That would be worse, and victory for the Progressive agenda will be assured.

Ironic, as many who voted for the Occupant did so as a statement for diversity in our country. They walked away claiming victory, but now live in shame and regret having realized that "electability" is not what leads a nation.

I would hope that should the Occupant get a 2nd term, that would unify the conservatives in our nation, the liberty loving constitutionalists. Perhaps we will FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MANY YEARS actually have a REAL candidate to run in 2016, and hundreds of stirred up conservatives getting out and running for everything from dog catcher to Senator in the mean time. If a 2nd term of the Occupant is what it takes to rally folks to restore our nation, then I say bring it on. I am sick of mealy mouthed conservatives living their lives in fear and trembling, settling for spineless candidates just to say a Republican won. That's not enough, it will never be enough ... but if that's all the GOP has to give anymore, then we have MUCH bigger issues than a 2nd term of Obama.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #123 on:** January 31, 2012, 12:37:20 PM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on January 31, 2012, 12:31:25 PM

I would hope that should the Occupant get a 2nd term, that would unify the conservatives in our nation, the liberty loving constitutionalists. Perhaps we will FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MANY YEARS actually have a REAL candidate to run in 2016, and hundreds of stirred up conservatives getting out and running for everything from dog catcher to Senator in the mean time. If a 2nd term of the Occupant is what it takes to rally folks to restore our nation, then I say bring it on. I am sick of mealy mouthed conservatives living their lives in fear and trembling, settling for spineless candidates just to say a Republican won. That's not enough, it will never be enough ... but if that's all the GOP has to give anymore, then we have MUCH bigger issues than a 2nd term of Obama.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What he said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Casull · « **Reply #124 on:** January 31, 2012, 12:42:01 PM »

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I would hope that should the Occupant get a 2nd term, that would unify the conservatives in our nation, the liberty loving constitutionalists. Perhaps we will FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MANY YEARS actually have a REAL candidate to run in 2016

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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What he said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TeamNelson and Cuts Crooked, does that mean that you both believe that RP is not a REAL candidate?

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #125 on:** January 31, 2012, 01:23:03 PM »

Read it again Casull.........he said "spineless candidates". Is that how you define RP? There those who fully understand who he was talking about, and then there are those who pretend they don't. The GOP does not perceive Paul as a real candidate and many here promote that image.........to the detriment of freedom.

Casull · « **Reply #126 on:** January 31, 2012, 01:27:52 PM »

Well, I read it again. Still says what I thought (even put it all in caps).

teamnelson · « **Reply #127 on:** January 31, 2012, 02:07:22 PM »

Quote from: Casull on January 31, 2012, 12:42:01 PM

TeamNelson and Cuts Crooked, does that mean that you both believe that RP is not a REAL candidate?

Matthew 23:24, you blind guides, you strain at a gnat, but swallow a camel.

Casull · « **Reply #128 on:** January 31, 2012, 02:31:20 PM »

BTW, looks like RP is about to score his 2nd fourth place finish. And, with a whopping 6.6% of the vote.

Gary G · « **Reply #129 on:** January 31, 2012, 03:04:22 PM »

Quote from: Casull on January 31, 2012, 02:31:20 PM

BTW, looks like RP is about to score his 2nd fourth place finish. And, with a whopping 6.6% of the vote.

That is a planned strategy. Gingrich and Santorum will get zero delegates assuming Romney wins. Meanwhile, R.P. has been in Maine, Nevada and Colorado working on his campaign. He should do very well there, gaining more delegates. In the end it will be Romney and Paul as the other two are not on ballots in several states and can't possibly get enough delegates. Paul has a shot. Romney and Paul are the only two delegates qualified in VA. I would not be surprised if the conservative Paul does not beat the liberal Romney there.

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #130 on:** January 31, 2012, 04:39:44 PM »

Quote from: Casull on January 31, 2012, 02:31:20 PM

BTW, looks like RP is about to score his 2nd fourth place finish. And, with a whopping 6.6% of the vote.

Even more impressive than that is 50% of the Florida Republican primary voters support a socialist gun grabber who has flip flopped more times in his career than John Kerry. We should all be proud to call ourselves Republicans today.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #131 on:** January 31, 2012, 04:45:31 PM »

Quote from: Casull on January 31, 2012, 02:31:20 PM

BTW, looks like RP is about to score his 2nd fourth place finish. And, with a whopping 6.6% of the vote.

I see it's more important for you to side with a winner than support the only candidate that stands for the constitution. A majority of Americans think the same way. As a nation we will deserve the tyranny that will come upon us.

We are only one supreme court justice from declaring the second amendment unconstitutional. Will we turn in our guns and except the tyrannical police state, or will we fight back and suffer the bloodiest civil was in the history of the world? Our President is now negotiating a small arms treaty with the plan to disarm us. Romney for sure and most likely Newt will sign it.

I would rather support the only candidate that stands for the constitution than side with a winner who will end freedom in America.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #132 on:** February 01, 2012, 12:55:48 AM »

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BTW, looks like RP is about to score his 2nd fourth place finish. And, with a whopping 6.6% of the vote.

FWIW, I was flipping through channels last night and saw Fox News actually covereing Ron Pauls speech from Nevada last night to thousands of people. I couldn't believe they actually gave him any coverage. The anchors even stated that he could really get a crowd fired up.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #133 on:** February 01, 2012, 01:16:56 AM »

according to the news outlets, all of our security agencies need to consult RP.
it seems that iran is planning attacks inside the USA.
according to RP, iran is no threat, and you still want him in the WH.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #134 on:** February 01, 2012, 02:24:02 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on February 01, 2012, 01:16:56 AM

according to the news outlets, all of our security agencies need to consult RP.
it seems that iran is planning attacks inside the USA.
according to RP, iran is no threat, and you still want him in the WH.

Sure!!!! If Paul were president they would have no reason to attack us. War mongering makes more enemies than it stops!

Swampman · « **Reply #135 on:** February 01, 2012, 02:28:20 AM »

A friend described RP as acting like a Mister Rogers that's had too many beers.

Matt · « **Reply #136 on:** February 01, 2012, 02:39:50 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on February 01, 2012, 01:16:56 AM

according to the news outlets, all of our security agencies need to consult RP.
it seems that iran is planning attacks inside the USA.
according to RP, iran is no threat, and you still want him in the WH.

ANY ATTACK THAT IS BLAMED ON IRAN WILL BE A FALSE FLAG OPERATION. Do not fall for the BS again.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #137 on:** February 01, 2012, 02:48:03 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on February 01, 2012, 01:16:56 AM

according to the news outlets, all of our security agencies need to consult RP.
it seems that iran is planning attacks inside the USA.
according to RP, iran is no threat, and you still want him in the WH.

Would those be the same agencies that said Saddam had large stock piles of WMDs?

We are sending a large army to attack Iran. Wouldn't you expect them to fight back. They saw what we did with our allies in Egypt. They saw what we did in Libya. Syria is next what threat have they made against us? We started a war in Vietnam over a false flag attack on one of our ships. It's time we question what our leaders and those agencies are doing.

Russia and China have both said that if we attack Iran they will join on Iran's side. Maybe we should think things though before we start WW III.

jimster · « **Reply #138 on:** February 01, 2012, 03:13:32 AM »

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Would those be the same agencies that said Saddam had large stock piles of WMDs?

Yup...same deal, same thing, history repeated.

Iran is not a threat...nor was Iraq...we could bury them from the sky anytime if they were a threat.

We have to stop waging half ass-ed wars on other countries...sending in American "police" officers in military uniforms. Any people in their right minds would fight back against this type of invasion. So would I...

Right now we have a large portion of our population messed up enough to have voted for Obama, and many will again. We also have a large bunch of people having the same old brain farts and will vote republican, half-assed wars for no apparent reason other than they threaten to change their monetary system....and get people to think they are a threat to us somehow even though we have the power bury them without one solder on the ground.

It's all about money folks...and the only person in their right mind in this election is Ron Paul, everyone else is the same old deal, history repeating itself. Republicans might as well just merge with democrats far as I'm concerned...they all have the same policies of slapping around third world countries and sucking up to the big countries that do the same thing, because they can kick our butts.

Anyone on here want to tackle China's WMD's?? I guess we can't go police tham can we?

gypsyman · « **Reply #139 on:** February 01, 2012, 03:15:15 AM »

Attacking Iran would only get the native's fired up. It's their religion your fighting, not their nationality. Case in point, the 9-11 attackers. All but one was a Saudi. If Sadom had let inspectors in to verify WMD's, he'd probably be alive today.Unless his own people would have got to him. Ron Paul does have the right idea, pull back the military, shut down the Fed.Reserve, cut Federal spending. Unfortunatley, most people that vote, don't understand the predicamant that this country is in. Or, how bad it might get. Even if R.Paul did get elected, it's going to get alot worse, before it get better. gypsyman

dukkillr · « **Reply #140 on:** February 01, 2012, 03:17:47 AM »

Quote from: jimster on February 01, 2012, 03:13:32 AM

Right now we have a large portion of our population messed up enough to have voted for Obama, and many will again. We also have a large bunch of people having the same old brain farts and will vote republican, half-assed wars for no apparent reason other than they threaten to change their monetary system....and get people to think they are a threat to us somehow even though we have the power bury them without one solder on the ground.

But... but... but... The "Security" people tell me that Iran is going to attack! We need to attack first! They are always right!

Oh wait... how do those "Security" people make their money again? Uh... But... We're drawing two wars to a close and many of them will be unemployed if we don't find someone to invade quick? Ahhhh... suddenly it all becomes so clear.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #141 on:** February 01, 2012, 03:28:27 AM »

Yeah, the CIA and NSA aren't as smart as regular folks. I feel all touchy-feely about iran now.

Swampman · « **Reply #142 on:** February 01, 2012, 03:30:22 AM »

Most Republican understand all those things. They also know that someone has to get elected to fix them. Ron Paul and I think a lot alike. Neither of us will ever be in a position to make our beliefs into national policy.

magooch · « **Reply #143 on:** February 01, 2012, 03:47:20 AM »

Getting back to the notion that we might need to have a second term of the obamanation to wake the country up and then get back to conservatism; no way Jose. This time around might just be the last opportunity to stop the slide into total socialism and total bankruptcy. Actually, we may already be too far down that road to stop it. In any case, there is no scenario where this country would be better off with Obama in place of any of the maybe less than perfect alternatives.

If we are truly going to recover and get back to something close to sanity, the House must remain Republican and the Senate must be wrenched from the slimey hands of Harry Reid. This is not a game; it truly is about whether, or not the United States of America will survive and bear any semblance to the great country we grew up in and faught to maintain.

BBF · « **Reply #144 on:** February 01, 2012, 06:55:39 AM »

In response to TN's speculation that a 2nd term may be beneficial to unite the Conservatives,
one thing for sure.

If the Occupant gets another term and succeeds in converting the USA into a European type Socialist country or worse it will take many and mostly painful years to return to a Constitutional Republic if ever.

Sideline: I got more e-mail recently with pixes of the Original Birth Certificate from Kenya which makes the Occupant a non native American and his application for College $ lists him as an Indonesian citizen.

True ??
I don't know and even less so what if anything would be done about it if it is true.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #145 on:** February 01, 2012, 09:19:21 AM »

Quote from: BBF on February 01, 2012, 06:55:39 AM

In response to TN's speculation that a 2nd term may be beneficial to unite the Conservatives,
one thing for sure.

If the Occupant gets another term and succeeds in converting the USA into a European type Socialist country or worse it will take many and mostly painful years to return to a Constitutional Republic if ever.

Sideline: I got more e-mail recently with pixes of the Original Birth Certificate from Kenya which makes the Occupant a non native American and his application for College $ lists him as an Indonesian citizen.

True ??
I don't know and even less so what if anything would be done about it if it is true.

If you read the transcript from the trial in Atlanta re: his eligibility, it sounds like him and the DNC should be locked up.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #146 on:** February 01, 2012, 03:49:26 PM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on February 01, 2012, 03:28:27 AM

Yeah, the CIA and NSA aren't as smart as regular folks. I feel all touchy-feely about iran now.

About all those WMDs in Iraq. Was the CIA incompetent or were they lying?

Swampman · « **Reply #147 on:** February 01, 2012, 03:53:28 PM »

They were right. They found all kinds of stuff. They also know that a lot of it was moved to Syria.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #148 on:** February 02, 2012, 02:20:49 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 01, 2012, 03:53:28 PM

They were right. They found all kinds of stuff. They also know that a lot of it was moved to Syria.

Yep, there was plenty of evidence that they were there at one time.
all of the middle east countries are guilty of atrocities long before GWB came along.
it makes no difference if we are here or there, they want to kill ANYONE who does not agree with their religion.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #149 on:** February 02, 2012, 05:44:13 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on February 01, 2012, 09:19:21 AM

Quote from: BBF on February 01, 2012, 06:55:39 AM

In response to TN's speculation that a 2nd term may be beneficial to unite the Conservatives,
one thing for sure.

If the Occupant gets another term and succeeds in converting the USA into a European type Socialist country or worse it will take many and mostly painful years to return to a Constitutional Republic if ever.

Sideline: I got more e-mail recently with pixes of the Original Birth Certificate from Kenya which makes the Occupant a non native American and his application for College $ lists him as an Indonesian citizen.

True ??
I don't know and even less so what if anything would be done about it if it is true.
If you read the transcript from the trial in Atlanta re: his eligibility, it sounds like him and the DNC should be locked up.

Here we go with the crazy conspiracy theroies again... Your starting to sound like a Ron Paul supporter now...