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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #150 on: February 02, 2012, 06:19:24 AM »
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Here we go with the crazy conspiracy theroies again

 
 
Umm, NO.  That was a legal proceeding, not a conspiracy theory.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #151 on: February 02, 2012, 07:06:42 AM »
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Here we go with the crazy conspiracy theroies again

 
 
Umm, NO.  That was a legal proceeding, not a conspiracy theory.

Ok, ok so it was a legal proceeding based upon a conspiracy theory.  In the end he's still going to be the leader of the free world for a 2nd term.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #152 on: February 02, 2012, 07:08:48 AM »
Back on topic... RON PAUL FOR PREZ!!!!!
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #153 on: February 02, 2012, 09:25:01 AM »
Back on topic... RON PAUL FOR PREZ!!!!!
the news just told about an upcoming rally in nevada, pimps and prostitutes for Paul.
his response should be interesting.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #154 on: February 02, 2012, 09:39:54 AM »
Back on topic... RON PAUL FOR PREZ!!!!!
the news just told about an upcoming rally in nevada, pimps and prostitutes for Paul.
his response should be interesting.

All on Romney's payroll ??
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #155 on: February 02, 2012, 09:46:58 AM »
Back on topic... RON PAUL FOR PREZ!!!!!
the news just told about an upcoming rally in nevada, pimps and prostitutes for Paul.
his response should be interesting.

All on Romney's payroll ??
why do you say that??  Reagans handlers wanted him to return money from a gay group.  he said why? they must believe in something I'm doing.
maybe they think RP will push to legalize them.  legal dope and prostitution should make us a better country.  don't ya think??
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #156 on: February 02, 2012, 01:40:13 PM »
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legal dope and prostitution should make us a better country.  don't ya think??

It sure would. It would save trillions of dollars that we the taxpayers have to pay to enforce laws that don't have any effect on the number of people using drugs and hiring prostitutes.

Believing that banning drugs and prostitution has any effect on the number of people that do either is no different than believing that gun control laws actually have an effect on the number of criminals that own guns.

A criminal by definition is a person who doesn't follow the law so how do laws banning drugs and prostitution prevent criminals from doing either?

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« Reply #157 on: February 02, 2012, 02:12:36 PM »
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A criminal by definition is a person who doesn't follow the law so how do laws banning drugs and prostitution prevent criminals from doing either?

 
 
Well, by that brilliant line of reasoning, we shouldn't bother banning murder.   :o
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« Reply #158 on: February 02, 2012, 02:21:19 PM »
Regulating morality never has and never will work.  It's a waste of money.  Muder involves violating the rights of another.  Those issues mentioned don't.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #159 on: February 02, 2012, 02:26:41 PM »
 
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Regulating morality never has and never will work.  It's a waste of money.  Muder involves violating the rights of another.  Those issues mentioned don't.
       Doesn't matter.  His point was that banning something has NO effect on its practice.
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« Reply #160 on: February 02, 2012, 03:32:39 PM »
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Regulating morality never has and never will work.  It's a waste of money.  Muder involves violating the rights of another.  Those issues mentioned don't.
       Doesn't matter.  His point was that banning something has NO effect on its practice.

OK then, give us the statistics on how many murders are prevented each year because someone who thinks about murdering someone else decides not to because it's against the law.
 
BTW, why don't you point out to me where I said "banning something" has no effect on it's practice. Or did you put words in my mouth?

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #161 on: February 02, 2012, 11:55:31 PM »
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legal dope and prostitution should make us a better country.  don't ya think??
    You say that like it currently doesn't exist lol...
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #162 on: February 04, 2012, 11:02:53 AM »
Regulating men's hearts has never worked. There are several meaningful quotes from the authors of the Constitution along those lines (as well as the Bible), it was written for a moral people, but will not work for any other kind. Sadly, we're running really low on moral people. That is expressly why so much power was left with the States, and withheld from a central Federal government, in the Constitution ... if you read the writings of the authors of the document. A state, being geographically smaller and comprised typically of affinity groups (families, communities, etc.), upon agreeing to a moral standard for themselves, is far more likely to keep it than an entire nation, spanning hundreds of millions of people. Its a whole lot simpler (not easier) to hash out a social contract with your neighbor than it is with a stranger who lives in a completely different context than you. Common sense law, influenced by Blackstone, the legal standard until the 1860s in the US.
 
The truth is the GOP needs Obama, like The Party needed Emmanuel Goldstein. Its a common enemy that distracts the people from paying attention to the weaknesses of the party. If you just read the posts from people here that hate Ron Paul, they seldom have anything good to say about the GOP. In fact, it sounds as if they're advocating "hold your nose and vote party line." Romney will get the GOP nomination; I never imagined RP would get it. The primary cogent complaint against him is that he doesn't get along with the status quo in the beltway ... as if that's something we want? I thought we didn't like the status quo in the beltway. We, the GOP, need to get our story straight, and until we do, we need Obama to keep us on our toes.
 
 
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #163 on: February 04, 2012, 05:13:13 PM »
Regulating men's hearts has never worked. There are several meaningful quotes from the authors of the Constitution along those lines (as well as the Bible), it was written for a moral people, but will not work for any other kind. Sadly, we're running really low on moral people. That is expressly why so much power was left with the States, and withheld from a central Federal government, in the Constitution ... if you read the writings of the authors of the document. A state, being geographically smaller and comprised typically of affinity groups (families, communities, etc.), upon agreeing to a moral standard for themselves, is far more likely to keep it than an entire nation, spanning hundreds of millions of people. Its a whole lot simpler (not easier) to hash out a social contract with your neighbor than it is with a stranger who lives in a completely different context than you. Common sense law, influenced by Blackstone, the legal standard until the 1860s in the US.
 
The truth is the GOP needs Obama, like The Party needed Emmanuel Goldstein. Its a common enemy that distracts the people from paying attention to the weaknesses of the party. If you just read the posts from people here that hate Ron Paul, they seldom have anything good to say about the GOP. In fact, it sounds as if they're advocating "hold your nose and vote party line." Romney will get the GOP nomination; I never imagined RP would get it. The primary cogent complaint against him is that he doesn't get along with the status quo in the beltway ... as if that's something we want? I thought we didn't like the status quo in the beltway. We, the GOP, need to get our story straight, and until we do, we need Obama to keep us on our toes.
I don't know of any posts saying they hate Ron Paul.  A number of his supporters compare the dems and repubs.  those same supporters call regular republicans names, one even called me "stupid".   If I called an RP supporter "stupid" I would be banned for life.
If RP gets the nomination, I'll be holding my nose when I vote for him, but I sure won't throw away my vote.   where's Huckabee when you need him?
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #164 on: February 04, 2012, 05:22:44 PM »
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That is a planned strategy. Gingrich and Santorum will get zero delegates assuming Romney wins. Meanwhile, R.P. has been in Maine, Nevada and Colorado working on his campaign. He should do very well there

 
 
Dang, wrong again.  Third place in Nevada.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #165 on: February 05, 2012, 03:50:01 AM »
I've got a theory, someone let me know if it hold water: those most dismissive of Ron Paul - while calling themselves conservatives? - are mostly commonly those who benefit most from the Status Quo. Gov't employee types, both fed & state. Those suckling gov't tit. Warriors in the War on (some) Drugs.

There are exceptions, sure... but I think it's a fair generality.
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« Reply #166 on: February 05, 2012, 03:53:40 AM »
I'ld say your theory is about as full of pond water as your candidate.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #167 on: February 05, 2012, 03:58:56 AM »
I've got a theory, someone let me know if it hold water: those most dismissive of Ron Paul - while calling themselves conservatives? - are mostly commonly those who benefit most from the Status Quo. Gov't employee types, both fed & state. War on (some) Drug Warriors.

There are exceptions, sure... but I think it's a fair generality.
my main problem with him is that he says he's against abortion, but is unwilling to do anything about it.  the Constitution is for ALL people, not just those in conservative states.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #168 on: February 05, 2012, 04:22:57 AM »
I've got a theory, someone let me know if it hold water: those most dismissive of Ron Paul - while calling themselves conservatives? - are mostly commonly those who benefit most from the Status Quo. Gov't employee types, both fed & state. Those suckling gov't tit. Warriors in the War on (some) Drugs.

There are exceptions, sure... but I think it's a fair generality.

I don't know of enough examples to make that generality but here is one example that while not from a conservative, it's from a government employee:

My daughter is in 8th grade and has a liberal Democrat teacher who is not afraid to try and influence her class with her own opinions. She told the class that Ron Paul was "scary" because he wants to get rid of the Dept. of Education, Dept. of Energy and the Dept. of Commerce.  :o
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #169 on: February 05, 2012, 06:05:33 AM »
One of the RP supporters mentioned the power, and danger, of incrementalism as practiced by the liberals.  Incrementalism is a powerful tool in which to accomplish change, one which the liberals have used over and over again.  What strikes me as most odd is the fact that the RP seem to understand this and fear its use by the liberals, but are themselves unwilling to use it against the liberals.  It's this "all or nothing" attitude that will doom RP to yet another loss.  Despite the RP supporters' belief that the majority is behind them, the truth is that those in this country that are willing to go the RP all or nothing way, is a small minority.  We did not lose those our freedoms and conservative beliefs all at once, and we will NOT regain them all at once.  Whether they like it or not, incrementalism is the way to regain the country.
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« Reply #170 on: February 05, 2012, 04:16:18 PM »
Incrementalism is a powerful tool in which to accomplish change, one which the liberals have used over and over again.  What strikes me as most odd is the fact that the RP
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...seem to understand this and fear its use by the liberals, but are themselves unwilling to use it against the liberals.
Huh? 'the RP' is unwilling to use incrementalism against liberals? What does this mean? Give a fer instance...
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It's this "all or nothing" attitude that will doom RP to yet another loss.
all or nothing as opposed to... what? You're thinking that Ron Paul would be unwilling to compromise with (who?) while governing?
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We did not lose those our freedoms and conservative beliefs all at once, and we will NOT regain them all at once.  Whether they like it or not, incrementalism is the way to regain the country.
Oh... is  this a call for Ron Paul to not contest for the Repub nomination?
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« Reply #171 on: February 05, 2012, 04:34:27 PM »
One of the RP supporters mentioned the power, and danger, of incrementalism as practiced by the liberals.  Incrementalism is a powerful tool in which to accomplish change, one which the liberals have used over and over again.  What strikes me as most odd is the fact that the RP seem to understand this and fear its use by the liberals, but are themselves unwilling to use it against the liberals.  It's this "all or nothing" attitude that will doom RP to yet another loss.  Despite the RP supporters' belief that the majority is behind them, the truth is that those in this country that are willing to go the RP all or nothing way, is a small minority.  We did not lose those our freedoms and conservative beliefs all at once, and we will NOT regain them all at once.  Whether they like it or not, incrementalism is the way to regain the country.
Casull, I study economics and markets. Because of that, it is my belief that we don't have that much time. I don't see that any of the others, besides Paul, will do anything about the debt problem or the financial repression that is taking place because of the debt and the Federal Reserve. It is mainly because I don't think that they understand the problem or the economics of it. I know that Ron Paul has a very good understanding of the subject. He has written books oon the subject, and even warned congress of the housing bubble and coming bust that occurred in 2008.
In fact if Romney or Obama gets the Presidency, I foresee a total breakdown within three years, five at the most. LOL, only one year if Newt gets his moon colony.
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« Reply #172 on: February 05, 2012, 05:27:27 PM »
In fact if Romney or Obama gets the Presidency, I foresee a total breakdown within three years, five at the most. LOL, only one year if Newt gets his moon colony.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #173 on: February 05, 2012, 06:20:44 PM »
   
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Incrementalism is a powerful tool in which to accomplish change, one which the liberals have used over and over again.  What strikes me as most odd is the fact that the RP
  the what?
     
 
 
Ohhh, excuse me (I missed a word).  The RP "supporters".  Is that better?  Can you follow now?
 
 
 
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...seem to understand this and fear its use by the liberals,
but are themselves unwilling to use it against the liberals.
  Huh? 'the RP' is unwilling to use incrementalism against liberals? What does this mean? Give a fer instance...

 
     Uhh, the RP "supporters" (see above if you are having trouble keeping up) seem unwilling to support anyone who is not RP or someone who is willing to govern as it was done 200+ years ago.  Now, if you still have a problem following this, think of the RP supporters (see I made sure to include that word, just for you) as demanding that their candidate support "A", "B", "C", "D", "E", "F", "G", "H" and "I", while the public will only support (at this time) "A" and "B".  So, if you have another candidate that is strong on "A" and "B" and can garner first place finishes (which, apparently, RP CANNOT), you elect him and get "A" and "B".  In the meantime, he also begins a push for "C" and "D" (which may need some time before the public will accept them).  The process may actually take two, or three or four presidential terms to accomplish. 
 
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It's this "all or nothing" attitude that will doom RP to yet another loss.
   all or nothing as opposed to... what?
 
You're thinking that Ron Paul would be unwilling to compromise with (who?) while governing?

 

     See the preceeding (and try to keep up).

 
 
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We did not lose those our freedoms and conservative beliefs all at once, and we will NOT regain them all at once.  Whether they like it or not, incrementalism is the way to regain the country.
Oh... is  this a call for Ron Paul to not contest for the Repub nominations?

 
 
Not sure what orafice you pulled that one out of, but I did NOT say that.
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« Reply #174 on: February 06, 2012, 12:25:28 AM »
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We did not lose those our freedoms and conservative beliefs all at once, and we will NOT regain them all at once.  Whether they like it or not, incrementalism is the way to regain the country.

Oh... is  this a call for Ron Paul to not contest for the Repub nominations?

 
 
 
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Not sure what orafice you pulled that one out of, but I did NOT say that.

 
I believe he pulled that out of your pie hole orafice Casull... LOL!!!!  You did say that in this post...
 
One of the RP supporters mentioned the power, and danger, of incrementalism as practiced by the liberals.  Incrementalism is a powerful tool in which to accomplish change, one which the liberals have used over and over again.  What strikes me as most odd is the fact that the RP seem to understand this and fear its use by the liberals, but are themselves unwilling to use it against the liberals.  It's this "all or nothing" attitude that will doom RP to yet another loss.  Despite the RP supporters' belief that the majority is behind them, the truth is that those in this country that are willing to go the RP all or nothing way, is a small minority.  We did not lose those our freedoms and conservative beliefs all at once, and we will NOT regain them all at once.  Whether they like it or not, incrementalism is the way to regain the country.

So now your denying your own words?  Are you a politician Casull?  Because if not you really have the makings to be a good one...
 
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #175 on: February 06, 2012, 01:46:50 AM »
During a TV interview yesterday with RP, he was asked if he didn't get the nomination, would he endorse another candidate.   to paraphrase, NO.
he said only if they started thinking HIS way.
so he's not really concerned about the country.  him and his followers are starting to look like skin-heads.
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« Reply #176 on: February 06, 2012, 02:14:14 AM »
During a TV interview yesterday with RP, he was asked if he didn't get the nomination, would he endorse another candidate.   to paraphrase, NO.
he said only if they started thinking HIS way.
so he's not really concerned about the country.  him and his followers are starting to look like skin-heads.

So if you sell out your principles to help elect the the 'lesser evil' you are "really concerned about  the country"?
If Ron doesn't get the nomination due to big money, Republican bosses dirty tricks and media manipulation I hope he goes third party.  I could not vote for any of the other candidates.

There are many people who think likewise. That's one reason  Romney stands little chance in the general election.   Another reason is that people know that nothing would change for the better under a Romney administration.

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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #177 on: February 06, 2012, 02:27:04 AM »
During a TV interview yesterday with RP, he was asked if he didn't get the nomination, would he endorse another candidate.   to paraphrase, NO.
he said only if they started thinking HIS way.
so he's not really concerned about the country.  him and his followers are starting to look like skin-heads.

So if you sell out your principles to help elect 'the lesser evil' you are 'really concerned about  the country'?
If Ron doesn't get the nomination due to big money, Republican bosses dirty tricks and media manipulation I hope he goes third party.  I could not vote for any of the other candidates.

There are many people who think likewise. That's one reason  Romney stands little chance in the general election.
well, I care about other people.  the Jews who will be nuked according to irans ayatollah, the USA who will be attacked, the unborn babies in the liberal states that will get no help from RP.
the other candidates will fight abortion, RP will let the liberal states continue murdering innocent babies.
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Re: Ron Paul
« Reply #178 on: February 06, 2012, 02:33:21 AM »
Ron Paul is the most pro-life of all the candidates. Not only would he give the states the power to ban abortions which they currently do not have, he would also foster goodwill among nations and cease immediately the counterproductive and immoral foreign wars which have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children.
(Not to mention he has in his medical practice delivered hundreds of babies.)

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« Reply #179 on: February 06, 2012, 02:42:17 AM »
Weird! I consider those who would abrogate our constitution and our rights to be more inclined to being skin heads. Not that I would use such vile terms myself. ::)

But iffin y'all wanna infer that those who believe in the freedoms our founders intended us to have arev"skin heads"......I guess it says a lot about about how y'all are really thinkin!

(course..when ya gotta resort to that kinda dirt flinging, yer comments about carin' 'bout yer fellow citizens are slightly suspect from the outset. Brown Shirt tactic: Belittle the opposition until it's acceptable....then attack them)
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"The liar who charms and disarms and wreaths himself in artifice is too agreeable to be called a demon. So we adopt the word "candidate"." Brooke McEldowney

"When a dog has bitten ten kids I have trouble believing he would make a good childs companion just because he now claims he is a good dog and doesn't bite. How's that for a "parable"?"....ME