Author Topic: Ron Paul (Read 8689 times)

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #180 on:** February 06, 2012, 03:16:08 AM »

I wouldnt call people who support Ron Paul skin heads. I would call them patriots.

The fact that Ron Paul wont endorse your boy Romney is no reason to get your shorts in a twist. His followers arent going to vote for Romney anyway.

Better get ready for a second term for BHO. It will be a cold day in help before I vote Newt or Romney.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #181 on:** February 06, 2012, 04:08:59 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on February 06, 2012, 03:16:08 AM

I wouldnt call people who support Ron Paul skin heads. I would call them patriots.

The fact that Ron Paul wont endorse your boy Romney is no reason to get your shorts in a twist. His followers arent going to vote for Romney anyway.

Better get ready for a second term for BHO. It will be a cold day in help before I vote Newt or Romney.

I'm doing many things to get ready for a second obama term. but voting for RP is not one of them.
obama would eat him alive in a debate. as for camparing y'all to skin heads, skin-heads and RP supporters seem to me to have the same phylosophy, "my way or the highway".
they sound more "totalitarian" than wanting freedom.

Casull · « **Reply #182 on:** February 06, 2012, 04:26:23 AM »

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I believe he pulled that out of your pie hole orafice Casull... LOL!!!! You did say that in this post...

Ok kid, why don't you show me where I made a "call for Ron Paul to not contest for the Repub nominations". Saying he cannot win is NOT saying that he shouldn't run.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #183 on:** February 06, 2012, 06:10:50 AM »

Way to try and take my post out of context. Why don't you post the second half of what i said? You know, the part where I pointed out that you denied the fact you said something and then I quoted your exact words to prove you did in fact say it...

There's no need to get mad at me son. I'm just holding you to your own word.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #184 on:** February 06, 2012, 06:12:24 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on February 06, 2012, 12:25:28 AM

Are you a politician Casull?

Prolly a gov't employee, but that's only a guess...

BUGEYE · « **Reply #185 on:** February 06, 2012, 06:31:21 AM »

Quote from: Cuts Crooked on February 06, 2012, 02:42:17 AM

Weird! I consider those who would abrogate our constitution and our rights to be more inclined to being skin heads. Not that I would use such vile terms myself.

But iffin y'all wanna infer that those who believe in the freedoms our founders intended us to have arev"skin heads"......I guess it says a lot about about how y'all are really thinkin!

(course..when ya gotta resort to that kinda dirt flinging, yer comments about carin' 'bout yer fellow citizens are slightly suspect from the outset. Brown Shirt tactic: Belittle the opposition until it's acceptable....then attack them)

This is just a guess, but I think the founders were more concerned about getting rid of king george, than playing petty games of name calling with each other.
the name calling was started by a mod who is a RP supporter.
so I'll take the high road here and apologize to any of you who I compared with skin-heads or called any other names. anyone care to join me on this road?

Casull · « **Reply #186 on:** February 06, 2012, 06:44:44 AM »

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Way to try and take my post out of context. Why don't you post the second half of what i said? You know, the part where I pointed out that you denied the fact you said something and then I quoted your exact words to prove you did in fact say it...

Okkk, here is your post:

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Not sure what orafice you pulled that one out of,
but I did NOT say that.

I believe he pulled that out of your pie hole orafice Casull... LOL!!!! You did say that in this post...

Quote from: Casull on Yesterday at 11:05:33 AM
One of the RP supporters mentioned the power, and danger, of incrementalism as practiced by the liberals. Incrementalism is a powerful tool in which to accomplish change, one which the liberals have used over and over again. What strikes me as most odd is the fact that the RP seem to understand this and fear its use by the liberals, but are themselves unwilling to use it against the liberals. It's this "all or nothing" attitude that will doom RP to yet another loss. Despite the RP supporters' belief that the majority is behind them, the truth is that those in this country that are willing to go the RP all or nothing way, is a small minority.
We did not lose those our freedoms and conservative beliefs all at once, and we will NOT regain them all at once. Whether they like it or not, incrementalism is the way to regain the country.

So now your denying your own words? Are you a politician Casull? Because if not you really have the makings to be a good one...

And here is what yellowtail said:

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Oh... is this a call for Ron Paul to not contest for the Repub nominations?

Sooooo, where are my "own words" saying this? It certainly would be easier addressing this if you made any sense.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #187 on:** February 06, 2012, 11:37:11 AM »

Ask yellowtail3... I was just enjoying the fact that your exclusively trying to shrink your way out of admitting you can't remember what you post. The fact that you have such a juvenile attitude about it right now just makes it even more hilarious!!! Are all you Romney supporters this way?

Casull · « **Reply #188 on:** February 06, 2012, 11:46:41 AM »

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I was just enjoying the fact that your exclusively trying to shrink your way out of admitting you can't remember what you post.

I remember very well what I post. I've said that RP will not win the nomination. I've also said that I don't think that his and the RP supporters' "all or nothing" approach is a winner. I have NOT said that I think he should not "contest for the Repub nominations". If you can show me otherwise, then go for it. I'm glad you're enjoying yourself, but now try working on your reading comprehension.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #189 on:** February 06, 2012, 12:03:44 PM »

Bugeye and Casull it's not all or nothing. The RINOs are so close to the liberal demarcates I can't tell the difference. Especially when it comes to the most important issue, the constitution. When the republicans put up a candidate at any level that will defend the constitution I will vote for them. Right now I only see 2 and they both end in Paul.

Sorry I can't compromise my values and vote the lessor of two evils when there is a good candidate that reflects my values. Come fall if it's Romney I vote for the libertarian. It it's Newt the globalist puppet I might think about it, maybe.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #190 on:** February 06, 2012, 12:45:20 PM »

Voting for "the lesser of two evils" has gotten us where we are today, and it will take us in the same direction, only faster, if we keep doing it.

Frankly, I consider it a form of cowardice to vote for "the lesser of two evils", equal to treason.

Meanwhile...listening to the news today I heard a comment that the media is promoting Romney as the republican contender because they firmly believe, according to polls, that he cannot beat Obama in the general election. Which means that a vote for Romney is "wasting your vote". LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Casull · « **Reply #191 on:** February 06, 2012, 12:53:04 PM »

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The RINOs are so close to the liberal demarcates I can't tell the difference.

That's where we differ, Lost Farmboy. I DO see a difference. Is it as much of a difference as I would like to see? Hell no. But, that's where incrementalism comes in. I'll take what I can get this time and ask for more next time. When I talk about the RP supporters' "all or nothing" approach, it's either "this candidate supports the Constitution 100% or I'm not voting or I'm voting third party". I agree with much of what RP believes, but certainly not all of it. I guess that would make him a "lesser of two evils" also. But, the important thing for me is that he does not, and will not, appeal to a big enough cross section to get elected. However, if you tell that to the RP supporters, they will insult you or tell you what a great guy RP is or what scum bags the other candidates are. What they won't do is deal with the premise that he is unelectable.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #192 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:10:01 PM »

You are right about incrementalism. Both parties are incrementally moving to the left and Americans can't see it. They think there still is a difference. The RINOs are to the left of where the democrats were twenty years ago. Most of the RINOs are to the left of Bill Clinton. If you are counting on encrementalism it is going the wrong way.

I don't know if incrementalism will work with the budget. With the trillions spent on unnecessary wars and bailing out Wall St. it may be already too late to save America.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #193 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:10:02 PM »

Quote from: Casull on February 06, 2012, 12:53:04 PM

"this candidate supports the Constitution 100% or I'm not voting or I'm voting third party". I agree with much of what RP believes, but certainly not all of it. I guess that would make him a "lesser of two evils" also. But, the important thing for me is that he does not, and will not, appeal to a big enough cross section to get elected.

LOL!!!!!! You can't support a candidate who believes in the constitution? No wonder we're in the mess we are in today! Too many of y'all don't really believe in true freedom. THAT is why doesn't "appeal to a big enough cross section to get elected"! Got it? It's NOT that Paul is not the best candidate........it's that there are not enough of you who really believe in freedom and the constitution! I gotta wonder what y'all REALLY want? Are you closet liberals who are scared to death that the government teat will dry up? Or did you just get so comfortable that now your drive to be free has been subverted by that?

Geeeze Louieeze!!!!!!! RP has been proven right over and over again down through the years, but you'll throw your support to guys like Obamneyrich who are ALL a bunch of socialistdemolibs who promote the death of freedom by a million cuts. WOW!!!!!!!!

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #194 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:21:55 PM »

Some people need to get out of the Matrix and stop voting against the constitution!

Swampman · « **Reply #195 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:24:38 PM »

A vote for Ron Paul is not good for the Constitution.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #196 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:35:37 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 06, 2012, 01:24:38 PM

A vote for Ron Paul is not good for the Constitution.

OK. What RINO is better for the constitution?

Swampman · « **Reply #197 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:46:32 PM »

A vote for Ron Paul only increases the chances that Obama will get to appoint 2 new SC Justices. That will be the end of said document. Give him a hand if that's what you want.
Only a goof fights battles they can't win.

Casull · « **Reply #198 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:48:32 PM »

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LOL!!!!!! You can't support a candidate who believes in the constitution? No wonder we're in the mess we are in today! Too many of y'all don't really believe in true freedom. THAT is why doesn't "appeal to a big enough cross section to get elected"! Got it? It's NOT that Paul is not the best candidate........it's that there are not enough of you who really believe in freedom and the constitution! I gotta wonder what y'all REALLY want? Are you closet liberals who are scared to death that the government teat will dry up? Or did you just get so comfortable that now your drive to be free has been subverted by that?

Geeeze Louieeze!!!!!!! RP has been proven right over and over again down through the years, but you'll throw your support to guys like Obamneyrich who are ALL a bunch of socialistdemolibs who promote the death of freedom by a million cuts. WOW!!!!!!!!

I knew I shouldn't even have bothered explaining it. It's just this sort of jackass response that makes people think the RP supporters are kooks. Nowhere did I say I couldn't support a candidate that believes in the Constitution. BUT, of course you make that leap to your own preconceived conclusion. Makes it hard to have a rational discussion when you all offer nothing but insults to anyone that doesn't think RP is the only man in the country that can do anything. That attitude alone probably turns off more people than will actually vote for RP. Sheeeeeesh.

Gary G · « **Reply #199 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:54:11 PM »

Maybe it is fear. You know, "just want government there to protect me". Such will be sorely disappointed. I cannot imagine why so many people who call themselves conservatives (but really are not) support imperialism and collectivism, both of which apply to democrats as well as neocons, just in different ways with different rhetoric. They have fallen for the lies. They will take that path which leads to serfdom as Hayek clearly demonstrated. Fortunately I can hedge against it and will vote for liberty having a clear conscience.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #200 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:57:42 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 06, 2012, 01:46:32 PM

A vote for Ron Paul only increases the chances that Obama will get to appoint 2 new SC Justices. That will be the end of said document. Give him a hand if that's what you want.
Only a goof fights battles they can't win.

Oh! So you don't have a RINO who is good for the constitution. It goes back to believing the lies that say Ron Paul can't win. If people would look at all the candidates, pick the one that reflects their own values the closest and vote, Ron Paul would win by a land slide. Why? Because he values the constitution more than any other candidate.

Swampman · « **Reply #201 on:** February 06, 2012, 02:09:35 PM »

That would mean that RP might get 5% of the votes because the vast majority of the population of this country doesn't agree with anything he says. Most of them don't care anything about the Constitution or even know what it is. They vote for whoever will give them free stuff. That includes all minorities, young people, women, and the old people.

Gary G · « **Reply #202 on:** February 06, 2012, 02:14:09 PM »

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #203 on:** February 06, 2012, 02:14:50 PM »

Quote from: Casull on February 06, 2012, 01:48:32 PM

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LOL!!!!!! You can't support a candidate who believes in the constitution? No wonder we're in the mess we are in today! Too many of y'all don't really believe in true freedom. THAT is why doesn't "appeal to a big enough cross section to get elected"! Got it? It's NOT that Paul is not the best candidate........it's that there are not enough of you who really believe in freedom and the constitution! I gotta wonder what y'all REALLY want? Are you closet liberals who are scared to death that the government teat will dry up? Or did you just get so comfortable that now your drive to be free has been subverted by that?

Geeeze Louieeze!!!!!!! RP has been proven right over and over again down through the years, but you'll throw your support to guys like Obamneyrich who are ALL a bunch of socialistdemolibs who promote the death of freedom by a million cuts. WOW!!!!!!!!

I knew I shouldn't even have bothered explaining it. It's just this sort of jackass response that makes people think the RP supporters are kooks. Nowhere did I say I couldn't support a candidate that believes in the Constitution. BUT, of course you make that leap to your own preconceived conclusion. Makes it hard to have a rational discussion when you all offer nothing but insults to anyone that doesn't think RP is the only man in the country that can do anything. That attitude alone probably turns off more people than will actually vote for RP. Sheeeeeesh.

Cuts Crooked called you out on your own confession. You said that you believe Ron Paul to be the lessor of two evils. You will vote for the greater of two evils because the greater can win. Isn't that confessing that winning is more important for you than supporting the constitution?

Your response is to call him a male donkey and Ron Paul supporters kooks. ( I think the male donkey thing is an infraction of the rules)

Swampman · « **Reply #204 on:** February 06, 2012, 02:16:06 PM »

That's you guys with your head in the sand, I don't understand why you are willing to destroy America.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #205 on:** February 06, 2012, 02:26:19 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 06, 2012, 02:09:35 PM

That would mean that RP might get 5% of the votes because the vast majority of the population of this country doesn't agree with anything he says. Most of them don't care anything about the Constitution or even know what it is. They vote for whoever will give them free stuff. That includes all minorities, young people, women, and the old people.

If that is true. (it may be) We the American people will deserve the tyranny the is coming to us soon. Ron Paul is getting more than 5% of the vote even with the election fraud. He would get a lot more if people weren't willing to compromise with evil to win.

I will standup for what I believe in, not what others tell me can win.

Swampman · « **Reply #206 on:** February 06, 2012, 02:33:32 PM »

You need to get out more. Conservatives are a miniscule portion of the voting public, and most of them won't vote for Ron Paul. There is no voying fraud.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #207 on:** February 06, 2012, 02:37:04 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 06, 2012, 02:16:06 PM

That's you guys with your head in the sand, I don't understand why you are willing to destroy America.

It is those willing to vote the lessor of two evils that are ruining America. The head in the sand is the ones that vote against their own conscience because others say the candidate representing values they believe in can't win. And those that can't see both parties are chipping away at the constitution, over spending and running illegal wars.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #208 on:** February 06, 2012, 02:41:29 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 06, 2012, 02:33:32 PM

You need to get out more. Conservatives are a miniscule portion of the voting public, and most of them won't vote for Ron Paul. There is no voying fraud.

Ya, I used to get out a lot more. But, I don’t so much anymore because of this.

Ron Paul is one of the few willing to stand up against TSA tyranny so I can get out more.

Casull · « **Reply #209 on:** February 06, 2012, 02:43:49 PM »

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Cuts Crooked called you out on your own confession. You said that you believe Ron Paul to be the lessor of two evils. You will vote for the greater of two evils because the greater can win. Isn't that confessing that winning is more important for you than supporting the constitution?

Your response is to call him a male donkey and Ron Paul supporters kooks. ( I think the male donkey thing is an infraction of the rules)

First of all, Cuts Crooked did not call me out on my "own confession", since I didn't "confess" to anything. When I pointed out that voting for RP would be voting for the lesser of two evils, I was talking about the general election. Since I don't agree with him 100% (or any other candidate for that matter), then when I vote in the general election, I will, by definition, be voting for the lesser of two evils. Now, I also did NOT say who I would be voting for in the primary, so NO I did not say that I would vote for the greater of two evils (but, thanks for making that assumption for me). Also, I did not call Cuts Crooked ANYTHING. I was referring to his insulting and belittling response, and I'll stand by that, whether I get locked out or not. I am sick and tired of the RP supporters putting words in my mouth (as well as others that do not worship at the altar of Paul) and making assumptions about me and what I think or will do. I tried to throw out some "reason" and civility in the prior post and all I got was a big braying "gotcha" and some poorly thought out assumptions. So, there you have it. Do as you will.