Ron Paul

[Cuts Crooked]

I knew I shouldn't even have bothered explaining it.  It's just this sort of jackass response that makes people think the RP supporters are kooks.  Nowhere did I say I couldn't support a candidate that believes in the Constitution.  BUT, of course you make that leap to your own preconceived conclusion.  Makes it hard to have a rational discussion when you all offer nothing but insults to anyone that doesn't think RP is the only man in the country that can do anything.  That attitude alone probably turns off more people than will actually vote for RP.  Sheeeeeesh.

Who's offering insults? Or perhaps you think "jackass isn't an insult? I didn't say anything about you refusing to vote for RP, I did comment on the willingness and cowardice shown to vote for those who will abrogate our freedoms.

How far have we fallen.....incrementally? It would appear that incrementalism has NEVER worked in freedoms favor. Somewhat over 200 years ago a group of men decided they wanted to be free! They voted with their lives, their fortunes, their honor to be free. It appears, that after 200+ years, the ideals they fought and died for have been destroyed.......by the "lesser of two evils"!

[Lost Farmboy]

Cuts Crooked called you out on your own confession. You said that you believe Ron Paul to be the lessor of two evils. You will vote for the greater of two evils because the greater can win. Isn't that confessing that winning is more important for you than supporting the constitution?


Your response is to call him a male donkey and Ron Paul supporters kooks. ( I think the male donkey thing is an infraction of the rules)

 
 
First of all, Cuts Crooked did not call me out on my "own confession", since I didn't "confess" to anything.  When I pointed out that voting for RP would be voting for the lesser of two evils, I was talking about the general election.  Since I don't agree with him 100% (or any other candidate for that matter), then when I vote in the general election, I will, by definition, be voting for the lesser of two evils.  Now, I also did NOT say who I would be voting for in the primary, so NO I did not say that I would vote for the greater of two evils (but, thanks for making that assumption for me).  Also, I did not call Cuts Crooked ANYTHING.  I was referring to his insulting and belittling response, and I'll stand by that, whether I get locked out or not.  I am sick and tired of the RP supporters putting words in my mouth (as well as others that do not worship at the altar of Paul) and making assumptions about me and what I think or will do.  I tried to throw out some "reason" and civility in the prior post and all I got was a big braying "gotcha" and some poorly thought out assumptions.  So, there you have it.  Do as you will.   

 
You didn't say general election. I thought we were talking about the primaries here. The general election comes after the primaries. The constitution and the American people always loose in the primaries. ( I had to censer this last part of this comment. I fear Cusall's response would get the thread locked)

[Cuts Crooked]

So, can we take that to mean you will fight hard to get RP nominated? Or will you continue to support "the lesser"?

[Swampman]

Personally I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils.  I don't like Ron Paul.  I believe he would be worse than any of the other canidates for America.

[Cuts Crooked]

Personally I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils.  I don't like Ron Paul.  I believe he would be worse than any of the other canidates for America.

Good for you! You have shown us what YOUR personal standard of freedom is.

[Lost Farmboy]

Personally I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils.  I don't like Ron Paul.  I believe he would be worse than any of the other canidates for America.

 
Unless you can come up with a RINO that is better than Ron Paul for the constitution, I see how much respect you have for it.

[Swampman]

My personal freedom isn't up to a man.  I do as I wish.  It looks like you depend on a piece of paper for your granted freedom.  I don't...

[Cuts Crooked]

My personal freedom isn't up to a man.  I do as I wish.  It looks like you depend on a piece of paper for your granted freedom.  I don't...

It's Ok Swamp, you have no need to explain yourself to us. Although I do find it interesting that you think of it as just  "a piece of paper".

But be sure not to mention that "piece of paper" when the socialistdemolib brown shirts come for you and your guns.

[Lost Farmboy]

My personal freedom isn't up to a man.  I do as I wish.  It looks like you depend on a piece of paper for your granted freedom.  I don't...

 
That freedom was paid for with blood. I hope to avoid that again. The piece of paper does not grant freedom it defines it for tyrants that would take it away. They build prisons for people that do as they please.

[blind ear]

My personal freedom isn't up to a man.  I do as I wish.  It looks like you depend on a piece of paper for your granted freedom.  I don't...

 
That freedom was paid for with blood. I hope to avoid that again. The piece of paper does not grant freedom it defines it for tyrants that would take it away. They build prisons for people that do as they please

To maintain freedom of the country, bloodshead can't be avoided. History as well as the writers of the constitution say so. ear

[yellowtail3]

My personal freedom isn't up to a man.  I do as I wish.  It looks like you depend on a piece of paper for your granted freedom. 

Tangentially related, and not directed at Swampman... a very important concept for all to understand - and most don't seem to? - is that the US Constitution is meant to be a limit on gov't power, not on the rights of citizens.

[Swampman]

Just keep in mind that Ron Paul is no better than the rest.

[Singleshotsam]

I've said it before time and time again.  Mainstream candidate supporters or "Foxers" (fox newsers)  cannot tell you why they are supporting the mainstream candidates.  They can only bash other people for thier choice of supporting a non mainstream candidate and then act like they are righteous in doing so.
 
Don't blame them fellow RP supporters.  They're only being good sheep and doing what they're told.

[BUGEYE]

A vote for Ron Paul only increases the chances that Obama will get to appoint 2 new SC Justices.  That will be the end of said document.  Give him a hand if that's what you want.
Only a goof fights battles they can't win.

this is that "big picture" you hear so much about.  obama WILL appoint two justices and the Constitution will become null and void.
go ahead and vote for RP and then sit back with some more of his kool-aid and watch the destruction.

[Swampman]

I've said it before time and time again.  Mainstream candidate supporters or "Foxers" (fox newsers)  cannot tell you why they are supporting the mainstream candidates.

I've told you several times why I'm supporting Mitt.

[Shu]

Wow, support Ron Paul or you are a liberal traitor to America. You do not deserve to express any other opinion other than Ron Paul has/will be your savior.
 
I will vote for who I choose to vote for, it may or may not be RP. Rest assured that America is strong and will reamain so regardless of what politician sits in the white house. America is made up by it's people not 1 man alone.
 

[yellowtail3]

Wow, support Ron Paul or you are a liberal traitor to America. You do not deserve to express any other opinion other than Ron Paul has/will be your savior.

That's kind of silly, dontcha think? But then I've got that odd notion that being a liberal isn't being a traitor, either.

[Swampman]

Rest assured that America is strong and will reamain so regardless of what politician sits in the white house. America is made up by it's people not 1 man alone.

I'm sure many Germans felt the same way about Germany prior to Hitler's rise to power.

[osokusmc]

I've said it before time and time again.  Mainstream candidate supporters or "Foxers" (fox newsers)  cannot tell you why they are supporting the mainstream candidates.

I've told you several times why I'm supporting Mitt.

I hope it's not for the "D-" grade that GOA gives him.  I agree with you that our freedoms don't come from man, but the likelihood that we'll have to kill to protect them is much greater when our politicians don't understand and respect our right to live free.  Self preservation is our most basic human right, and it appears Mitt doesn't support our right to preserve our selves by any means necessary.  I'm not a one issue voter, but I do give a lot of weight to a politicians views on our individual right to exist and plan for our continued existence through a vigorous self defense.

[Singleshotsam]

Cuts Crooked called you out on your own confession. You said that you believe Ron Paul to be the lessor of two evils. You will vote for the greater of two evils because the greater can win. Isn't that confessing that winning is more important for you than supporting the constitution?


Your response is to call him a male donkey and Ron Paul supporters kooks. ( I think the male donkey thing is an infraction of the rules)

 
 
First of all, Cuts Crooked did not call me out on my "own confession", since I didn't "confess" to anything.  When I pointed out that voting for RP would be voting for the lesser of two evils, I was talking about the general election.  Since I don't agree with him 100% (or any other candidate for that matter), then when I vote in the general election, I will, by definition, be voting for the lesser of two evils.  Now, I also did NOT say who I would be voting for in the primary, so NO I did not say that I would vote for the greater of two evils (but, thanks for making that assumption for me).  Also, I did not call Cuts Crooked ANYTHING.  I was referring to his insulting and belittling response, and I'll stand by that, whether I get locked out or not.  I am sick and tired of the RP supporters putting words in my mouth (as well as others that do not worship at the altar of Paul) and making assumptions about me and what I think or will do.  I tried to throw out some "reason" and civility in the prior post and all I got was a big braying "gotcha" and some poorly thought out assumptions.  So, there you have it.  Do as you will.   

I think what's funny is that anytime somebody starts a post based on RP you LOVE to come in and do your bait and troll act.  Yet when YOU start a RP thread set in a sarcastic tone and people come in, critically analyse your statements and flat out call you out, providing proof of your statements, you get all wishy washy and whiny about it.  RP supporters aren't putting words in your mouth Casull.  Were just holding you to your own words and keeping you from crawfishing out of YOUR own statements.
 
Nice try. 

[BUGEYE]

Weird! I consider those who would abrogate our constitution and our rights to be more inclined to being skin heads. Not that I would use such vile terms myself.

But iffin y'all wanna infer that those who believe in the freedoms our founders intended us to have arev"skin heads"......I guess it says a lot about about how y'all are really thinkin!

(course..when ya gotta resort to that kinda dirt flinging, yer comments about carin' 'bout yer fellow citizens are slightly suspect from the outset. Brown Shirt tactic: Belittle the opposition until it's acceptable....then attack them)

This is just a guess, but I think the founders were more concerned about getting rid of king george, than playing petty games of name calling with each other.
the name calling was started by a mod who is a RP supporter.
so I'll take the high road here and apologize to any of you who I compared with skin-heads or called any other names.  anyone care to join me on this road?

I guess not.