model 70 mannlicher...??

[ardeekay]

I am looking at a Winch. mod. 70 with a mannlicher stock...  I think it might not be authentic.. its a 300 H&H, says xtr on the barrel, ser. # is 1915xxx.. the only thing that I am sure of is the stock, it says winchester on the butt.  From what I can gather, they never made a mannlicher in 300 HH, unless it came from the custom shop?  Does any one know what year that # would be??  Its a nice job, but I don't know its value.  The price is $650 which sorta puts up a 'red flag'..( too cheap) any comments would be appreciated..  all I want is a shooter.   Bob

[charles p]

Have no idea, but do have a question.  Did the custom shop ever turn out the XTR model?

[ardeekay]

Thats what I wonder also,.. I bought the thing... got a deal..did some tradin... I notice that the rear sight has been taken off and the hole plugged which is typical.. but there are no holes where a front sight would be!!  That indicates that the barrel was cut off.  On gun broker, there are a couple, that I assume are authentic, that go for triple what I paid for this one, but all I want is a shooter.. if mooses ever invade my yard here in Fla..  I'll be ready !!   Bob

[Rangr44]

AFAIK, the only factory mannlicher/full stocked Model 70's w/monte carlo comb were the 19" bbl'd, push-feed, 1969-71's, issued in .243/.308, & .270/.30-06 only.
 
IMHO, it sounds like someone cut down & custom stocked a magnum bolt faced (.300WM) Sporter.
 
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[ardeekay]

Update.. see above picture, I figured out how to ad that.  On the other side, it says (the usuall..) and  XTR in italics, and 300 H&H Magnum... the ser. # puts it at 1989 which is not a production year for the Mannlicher series.  I believe, someone had a authentic stock laying around for a Winchester Mannlicher.  Then they put barreled action in the stock..( after cutting and crowning the bbl.,)  I bought it at a gun show, the dealer there did not try to bamboozle me and tell me it was real, the 'xtr' and the ser. #, and the plugged single hole pretty much told me what I was getting into.  Like I say, the real ones go for at least triple of what I paid. and the caliber gave it away too.  Its still a cool gun, and I am finding ammo... ( a challenge...)  a box here and some there.. found dies.. looking forward to playing with it.  I've already decided to keep it if the recoil doesn't kill me.  Any thoughts or comments are, and will be appreciated.....  Bob

[Barstooler]

Mannlicher = unnecessary and ugly waste of wood beyond where a normal free-floated stock fore end should end. 
 
Barstooler

[mcwoodduck]

What action is it?  Pre 64, post 64 or Classic claw.
If I saw it, I would own it.
Like the look of the rifle and the caliber.  I might try to weasle the price down a little.  But a Leupold dangerous game 1-5X24 scope would look great on it.

[spitpatch]

  I've always thought the mannlicher stocks were "bad to the bone". Waste of wood?...Not from my eyes. About as cool as they come (IMHO). Great looking gun...

[ardeekay]

Woodduck... You are reading my mind... an older vari x, or a redfield 1.5x4 (that I have on another rifle..).  I am gonna try to keep it as 'in era' as possible, even the weaver bases are going off of it, am gonna try to find a set of Redfield  SR bases, in gloss and rings to match.  I'm thinking that when this was made, matte finishes were not around.  This is a 1989 year of birth as far as I can tell...  And.. all of my mannlicher's are free-floated... ( 7mm-08,  6.5x55,  25-06,  30-06, and 243.. all are sub-moa, or I woudn't own them..) I have not fired this 300H&H yet, but will free float it eventually.  So far, I've come up with 1 box of reloads, in 300HH, and have a box on its way here of Federal, and some brass I found on the net..  that'll get me going.  Bob 
 

[Rangr44]

In the years before the Winchester & Remington magnums - the .300H&H was often referred to as the Super .30, a .30-06 on steroids.
 
You should find it fairly pleasant to shoot, compared to some of the modern belted .30's with larger case capacities - the muzzle blast from that shorter barrel notwithstanding.
 
I was never attracted to the Winchester Mannlicher when they were introduced, becaue I personally thought the stock line a bit clubby, compared to the Mannlicher-Schoenauer Carbine I was used to - but can certainly appreciate that YMMV.
 
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[parkergunshop]

Ardeekay
 
You wrote:
"  And.. all of my mannlicher's are free-floated... ( 7mm-08,  6.5x55,  25-06,  30-06, and 243.. all are sub-moa, or I woudn't own them..) I have not fired this 300H&H yet, but will free float it eventually."
Another method of bedding for mannlichers is to full length glas bed the action and barrel.  This has worked best for me on several mannlichers.   My 1932 Springfield 1903 with a 19" barrel averages in the 1/2 in range for it's best loads and my Iranian Mauser in 8X57  with an 18" barrel shots under 1 inch with its best loads.
I honestly did not expect them to shoot so well with the original military barrels in a mannlicher stock, but they do it consistently.
 

[mcwoodduck]

Woodduck... You are reading my mind... an older vari x, or a redfield 1.5x4 (that I have on another rifle..).  I am gonna try to keep it as 'in era' as possible, even the weaver bases are going off of it, am gonna try to find a set of Redfield  SR bases, in gloss and rings to match.  I'm thinking that when this was made, matte finishes were not around.  This is a 1989 year of birth as far as I can tell...  And.. all of my mannlicher's are free-floated... ( 7mm-08,  6.5x55,  25-06,  30-06, and 243.. all are sub-moa, or I woudn't own them..) I have not fired this 300H&H yet, but will free float it eventually.  So far, I've come up with 1 box of reloads, in 300HH, and have a box on its way here of Federal, and some brass I found on the net..  that'll get me going.  Bob 
 

Try it before you free float it.
It may just be a shooter as it is.
Post a picture ot three when you get it all done.
 

[ardeekay]

Thanks...  There a guy at my range that has a Mannlicher, built on a Mex. mauser action... its beautiful, and it shoots!!  I've asked him how its bedded, and he says he don't know.. I asked him if he ever took it apart, and he says absolutly NOT.., he is afraid something in the bedding might shift and he'd lose his accuracy.  Another guy has one in in 7x57 with a 22" bbl, and we refer that rifle as "his musket" !!  That one is decent, but not sub-moa.   I like the idea of full glass bedding action and bbl., I've never done that, always free-floated.  A while back someone said they were gonna experiment with silicon sealer for bedding in the bbl. channel. ??  I wonder how that worked out.   Thanks to all for the comments, I am a 'snow-bird'.. am stuck here in Flo-duh until the snow melts up north, thats where I spend all summer 'tinkering' with new rifles.  I won't be shooting this 300HH until mid to late April, they want a arm and leg to shoot down here, and the ranges are shoddy at best.  Thanks again...  Bob

[mcwoodduck]

I do not want to add this here.
It would be like talking about a Yugo on a classic Chevy site.
I have an old Mauser 95 Military in a Manlicher stock
It is in 7X57 and it is a shooter.
I know it is not beded or free floated.  Heck the front barrel ring is loose and I have a drill bit in place of the cleaning rod to keep it from ratteling.
The barrel is badly pitted.  But it shoots with the tiny broken sights. 
We are not talking 1/2" groups as I am not that good but at 100 yards it is about a 2.5" group off the bench, Supported in my arms (not sand bag)
More than capable of minute of deer or pig.

[Singleshotsam]

If I saw it, I would own it.
Like the look of the rifle and the caliber.  I might try to weasle the price down a little.  But a Leupold dangerous game 1-5X24 scope would look great on it.

+1 - What he said