Author Topic: Israel would give imam obama 12 hrs notice if they attack iran. (Read 2231 times)

powderman · « **on:** January 22, 2012, 11:26:47 AM »

‘Israel to Give Obama 12 Hours Notice on Attacking Iran’
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

Israeli officials told visiting USS Chief Joint of Staffs Martin Dempsey that it would give President Barack Obama no more than 12 hours notice if and when it attacks Iran, The London Times reported Sunday.

The Netanyahu government also will not coordinate with the United States an attack on the Islamic Republic, according to the report, the latest in a number of suposed scenarios concerning cooperation or lack of it between Jerusalem and Washington.

It is left to speculation whether the rumors are based on facts or are leaked by officials to mask the possibility of secret military coordination.

The London Times said its sources explained that that Israel fears that President Obama would try to torpedo an Israel attack if more notice were given because he is concerned that Iran will respond by blocking the Strait of Hormuz, sparking a rise in the price of oil that could cripple Western economies. If the attack were to occur in the next 10 months, it would put President Obama in a tight spot on the eve of his bid for re-election.

President Shimon Peres told Dempsey, "I am sure that in this fight [against Iran] we will emerge victorious. It is a fight that does not belong exclusively to the United States or Israel, but a global struggle to create a safe world for all peoples.”

Dempsey, on his first official visit to Israel, was wined and dined by Defense Minister Ehud Barak and IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gants, who went so far as to arrange an IDF orchestra rendition of song made famous by Frank Sinatra, one of Dempsey’s favorite singers.

Dempsey tried to play down the postponement of what was billed as the largest-ever joint military drill between the Israeli and American armies, involving thousands of U.S. Army soldiers.

Published reasons for the delay have ranged from budgetary constraints, logistical problems to a signal from Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu that he distrusts President Obama’s commitment to stop Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

Dempsey maintained that the delay, which was announced by Israel, will give both countries more time to prepare and “achieve a better outcome.”

The top American general left Israel on Friday, before the Sabbath began.

Sourdough · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2012, 08:28:22 PM »

Why? So he can call his fellow Muslims in Iran and let them know?

powderman · « **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2012, 03:56:21 AM »

SOURDOUGH. You can bet he would too. IF we get 12 hrs notice, he would give his friends 11 hrs 59 min notice. I hope Israel is not stupid enough to tell imam obama if they attack. POWDERMAN.

BBF · « **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2012, 05:55:37 AM »

I suppose Israel is all OK by not using/getting US Air Force surveillance support as they had in the past?

Gary G · « **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2012, 06:03:55 AM »

Expect a possible false flag incident incited by Israel undercover agents resulting in fire on some US interest purportedly by Iran to cause a US response. Israel would not attack Iran on their own because it would unleash greater turmoil from their neighbors than they could stand. They desire that the US take the heat and do their nastiness for them.

Without governments, there would be no wars.

BBF · « **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2012, 06:07:26 AM »

Quote from: Gary G on January 23, 2012, 06:03:55 AM

Expect a possible false flag incident incited by Israel undercover agents resulting in fire on some US .......................... They desire that the US take the heat and do their nastiness for them.

It has been done before, and they are considered "Friends"

guzzijohn · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2012, 06:16:10 AM »

Quote from Powderman:
"SOURDOUGH. You can bet he would too. IF we get 12 hrs notice, he would give his friends 11 hrs 59 min notice. I hope Israel is not stupid enough to tell imam obama if they attack. POWDERMAN."

GuzziJohn

Rex in OTZ · « **Reply #7 on:** January 23, 2012, 06:53:00 AM »

Granny Rex said if you go courting trouble your bound to find it in spades.
was checking out the misdeeds of the North Koreans
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/general-military/133401-operation-paul-bunyan-21-aug-1976-a.html
wikipedia is handy, just was looking at recent moves of aggression by North Korean and came across the mini sub that sunk the South Korean Corvette
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yono_class_submarine
seems the North Koreans sold some these small subs to Iran, which they used that as a model to build thir own.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghadir_class_submarine Ok so the Irainians are building 100 foot mini subs for shallow water op's, then check their Navy roster and a whole new navy is taking shape. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaaem_class_submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Submarines_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_Iranian_Navy_Vessels

if you do read what Wikipedia has up, you will note they are building their own stuff now, and even exporting to other countries, if you note the production dates of shjips you will see some new and scarey stuff coming on board, I didnt find any data on ther training but I bet it isant 3rd rate, there training in China and North Korea for a new war on their terms.

Like the last two entanglements in the middle east we footed the bill for, these guys have some tec and will be willing to use it.

Granny Rex was not big on actual physcial violence, her fave saying was I'd smak you one but crap spatters. I think Iran is one big steaming cow pie wating for some fool to smak.

powderman · « **Reply #8 on:** January 23, 2012, 07:05:26 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on January 23, 2012, 06:16:10 AM

Quote from Powderman:
"SOURDOUGH. You can bet he would too. IF we get 12 hrs notice, he would give his friends 11 hrs 59 min notice. I hope Israel is not stupid enough to tell imam obama if they attack. POWDERMAN."

GuzziJohn

Well, how long do you think it would take him?? More time or less?? You know he'd rat out, it's what he is, it's what muslims do, take care of their own. POWDERMAN.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #9 on:** January 23, 2012, 07:10:51 AM »

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Israel would not attack Iran on their own because it would unleash greater turmoil from their neighbors than they could stand.

Anyone remember the 6 day war?

Sourdough · « **Reply #10 on:** January 23, 2012, 08:18:30 AM »

How well do I remember that. The Six Day War. I and the rest of a quick response team, was shoved on board a C-141, destination classified. Somewhere over the Atlantic we turned around and came back. After we got back, we found out where we were going. Reason we came back, war was over, we were no longer needed. Israel had already done what needed to be done by themselves.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** January 23, 2012, 10:09:01 AM »

Israel doesn't have the luxury of fighting a war like we do. When they fight its in their face with no where to run. Why would they spoil their chance of suprise ?

powderman · « **Reply #12 on:** January 23, 2012, 01:00:19 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 23, 2012, 10:09:01 AM

Israel doesn't have the luxury of fighting a war like we do. When they fight its in their face with no where to run. Why would they spoil their chance of suprise ?

RIGHT, and they fight to win, instead of appeasing the pc crowd and muzzie supporters. POWDERMAN.

Nuke41 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 24, 2012, 04:20:20 AM »

The whole 12 hour warning issue is political theater and not relevant in an operational sense. In reality the US controls enough of the airspace between Israel and Iran that they must allow Israel to proceed with any attack on Iran.

The bigger issue is Israel’s capability for power projection that far away. A strike on Iran isn’t going to be the same as the 1981 raid on Iraq or the 2007 raid on Syria. It would take a sustained air campaign to damage Iran’s nuclear program, it’s not going to be a simple hit and run raid of a flight of F-16s or F-15Es. Israel’s strike fleet cannot reach Iran and return on internal fuel stores; meaning they must tank along the way, another significant issue. Iran’s facilities are well defended by Russian bought AAA, so many of the initial sorties of a campaign would need to be devoted to SEAD and not the actual attack on the nuclear facilities. A multi-day air campaign by the IAF against Iran that would involve tanking and over flight of several Arab countries and the US Navy would be very problematic.

ironglow · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2012, 05:30:46 AM »

Yes, Israel has been at war since it has been reinstituted on it's own homeland...that's simply because their pig-headed neighbors won't leave them alone ! There is little if any doubt..their neighbors in the mideast could trashcan all their weapons tomorrow morning and there would be no problem; but I Israel would do the same, there would be war & murder in 15 minutes.
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Sourdough asks;
" Why? So he can call his fellow Muslims in Iran and let them know?"
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I must confess, that was my first thought also...

Gary G · « **Reply #15 on:** January 24, 2012, 05:38:41 AM »

As I see it, the US is bankrupt and an Iranian war would surely speed up the bankruptcy process. This might be a good thing in that we get to start the new economy earlier. However, looking in history, most of the time that doesn't work out so well. The American Revolution was more of an exception. Besides, much of the Persian population favors America as many were educated here. They would like to end the Mullah's "dark ages". I am sure that when we bomb them and kill innocent people, which is inevitable with bombs, many will grow to hate us. The sanctions enable the Iranian government to blame their economic plight on the US when it is their economic policies of central control that is the real cause of their woes. Putting aside Ahmadinejad's bellicose rhetoric, Iran has historically been a peaceful nation. We will probably change that.

powderman · « **Reply #16 on:** January 24, 2012, 06:33:11 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on January 24, 2012, 05:30:46 AM

Yes, Israel has been at war since it has been reinstituted on it's own homeland...that's simply because their pig-headed neighbors won't leave them alone ! There is little if any doubt..their neighbors in the mideast could trashcan all their weapons tomorrow morning and there would be no problem; but I Israel would do the same, there would be war & murder in 15 minutes.
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Sourdough asks;
" Why? So he can call his fellow Muslims in Iran and let them know?"
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I must confess, that was my first thought also...

IG. Good post Sir, all true. If satans disciples laid dwn their weapons there would be immediate WORLDWIDE peace. If Israel laid dwn her weapons, the phillistines would slaughter every man, woman, and child, and NOT wait 15 min to start. Nobody with ANY brain power at all could possibly disagree with that statement. Until that happens we are in a perpetual war with that ol cancer islam, or G lobal W ar O n I slam, aka GWOI. POWDERMAN.

BBF · « **Reply #17 on:** January 24, 2012, 08:36:04 AM »

The Cool-Aid consumption is up, way up.

rio grande · « **Reply #18 on:** January 24, 2012, 08:52:42 AM »

President Shimon Peres told Dempsey, "I am sure that in this fight [against Iran] we will emerge victorious. It is a fight that does not belong exclusively to the United States or Israel, but a global struggle to create a safe world for all peoples.”

The best way Peres could help 'create a safe world for all peoples' would for him and the other Zionists (Jewish supremacists) to stop the threats and assassinations and scrap their own nuclear arsenal. The State of Israel has not signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (while Iran has) and allows no UN inspectors or any independent monitoring of their mass-destruction weapons.

The hypocrisy of the Israelis is astounding.

powderman · « **Reply #19 on:** January 24, 2012, 09:26:40 AM »

HEH. TWINS. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #20 on:** January 24, 2012, 10:44:15 AM »

TM says;
I must confess, that was my first thought also...
"If isreal didnit exist in the apartheid false babylon fashion it does currently, and was a normalized country...then we would be trading with the iranians, asisting in their nuclear aspirations--like we did with the puppet Shah, and everything would be much more peachy. Founders and Ron Paul have figured this out" ......
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In spite of the spate of name calling, Israel does exist..and has existed for at least 3200 years. It holds true that Israel does not covet Arab land, but the Arabs covet Israel's land. In spite of the Anti-Israel proclivities, it will continue to exist and it is equally tyrue concerning the abscence of weapons in the area.
Unlike the ayatollahs, the Shah co-existed with Israel... the whirling dervishes have no desire to co-exist and have said as much..threatening to blow Israel away. The fact that Israel has nuclear weapons is no threat to world peace..so long as she is not attacked ! So the Muslim sympathizers should "call their dogs off"..
Why in the world should Iran worry about Israel's borders..she doesn't adjoin Iran anyway ? Obammy tries to snub and mistreat this only democracy in the mideast. Most of us know full well he is completely wrongheaded in that attitude.
Still some fall for his line of B.S.

As BBF said; Kool-Aid consumption is waaaaayyy up !

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powderman · « **Reply #21 on:** January 24, 2012, 11:18:48 AM »

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In spite of the spate of name calling, Israel does exist..and has existed for at least 3200 years. It holds true that Israel does not covet Arab land, but the Arabs covet Israel's land. In spite of the Anti-Israel proclivities, it will continue to exist and it is equally tyrue concerning the abscence of weapons in the area.

IG. Good post Sir, oh so true. POWDERMAN.

Gary G · « **Reply #22 on:** January 24, 2012, 03:07:51 PM »

How many on here think that Iranians are Arabs?
How many know that Persians are the descendants of God's anointed Cyrus? Isa. 45
How many know that the Jewish commonwealth was destroyed in 70AD?
How many know that the current Jewish state was created in 1948 by the US and England?
How many know that the Palestinians were forced to leave their homes and property to make way for the Jewish state?
How many know that God's purpose to choose the nation Israel was to bring His Son into the world?
How many know that that was fulfilled over 2000 years ago?

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We encroach on their lands and they attack us. We must exterminate them all and any like them. They are infidels. They are an abomination the Lord.

(The governor of the Mass. Colony concerning the Pequot Indians, which were never to be again, and only attacked one plantation after some of their children were stolen to use as slaves.)

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #23 on:** January 24, 2012, 03:51:32 PM »

Quote from: Gary G on January 24, 2012, 03:07:51 PM

How many on here think that Iranians are Arabs?
How many know that Persians are the descendants of God's anointed Cyrus? Isa. 45
How many know that the Jewish commonwealth was destroyed in 70AD?
How many know that the current Jewish state was created in 1948 by the US and England?
How many know that the Palestinians were forced to leave their homes and property to make way for the Jewish state?
How many know that God's purpose to choose the nation Israel was to bring His Son into the world?
How many know that that was fulfilled over 2000 years ago?
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We encroach on their lands and they attack us. We must exterminate them all and any like them. They are infidels. They are an abomination the Lord.

(The governor of the Mass. Colony concerning the Pequot Indians, which were never to be again, and only attacked one plantation after some of their children were stolen to use as slaves.)

Gary G - Sorry, I don't understand the purpose of your questions. I can say I know, but some of your questions beg another question.

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #24 on:** January 24, 2012, 03:59:48 PM »

Quote from: Sourdough on January 22, 2012, 08:28:22 PM

Why? So he can call his fellow Muslims in Iran and let them know?

sourdough - That's exactly the reason why Israel is only going to give Obama, 12 hours notice. Their afraid that the US will attempt to stop the attack or warn Iran.

‘Short notice’ Israeli strike-plan ire SUNDAY TIMES OF LONDON
Last Updated: 12:33 AM, January 22, 2012
Posted: 12:22 AM, January 22, 2012
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Print TEL AVIV — Israel has warned America’s top general that it will give Washington just 12 hours notice if it decides to launch a strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities.
The short warning, which would prevent the United States from blocking the raid, is the latest sign of a breakdown of trust between the two allies over Israel’s planned response to Iran’s insistence on developing nuclear power.
The impasse was highlighted by a meeting in Tel Aviv last week between Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak.
And that followed a stormy transatlantic conversation between President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that saw Netanyahu turn down a White House request for an early warning.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/short_notice_israeli_strike_plan_x8BJQZ6QjvLlE7eBKTqFYL#ixzz1kR2j4LrD

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #25 on:** January 25, 2012, 05:32:05 AM »

Wild Israel has the biggest opertunity to see the true colors of America. Say they are going to attack on a spefic date at a spefic time. If the opposition starts moving troops to defend then Israel will know who they can trust and who they cannot.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #26 on:** January 25, 2012, 06:24:31 AM »

lots of speculation there.

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #27 on:** January 25, 2012, 06:30:44 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 25, 2012, 06:24:31 AM

lots of speculation there.

To say the least.

Nuke41 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 25, 2012, 06:48:00 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on January 25, 2012, 05:46:28 AM

The real attack will likely come under the guize of practices or war games anyway...like 911...There are 80 sights (targets) in Iran said to be nuclear energy sites, i.e. targets. They will likely employ 'neutron bomb technology' under cover of convention buster, air fuel bombs and what not. Imagine using nuclear weapons to knock out a threat of nuclear weapons...
Likely 1 to 2 million Iranians could perish quickly and another 35 million Afghani, Indians, and Pakistani from long term radiation effects. I'm not a weapons expert but I understand the iraninas possess Sunburn, Onyx, Yahont super Mach 2.3 to Mach 4 anti ship missiles...and lots of them,,,also russian torpedoes capable of 320kmh underwater...likely have an advanced EMT weapon(s).
..TM7

“I'm not a weapons expert” is a very accurate statement. You’ve posted such a jumbled mess of pseudo-military jargon and weapon systems that I wouldn’t even know where to begin on it. I think the entire Israeli false flag conspiracy theory is ridiculous and belongs in the conspiracy theory blog and not the political issues one, but that’s a problem for the moderators. Just a quick comment on your description of the use of nuclear weapons:

Neutron weapons aren’t confirmed to be fielded by any nuclear power. Even if Israel has neutron weapons, they are a very unique weapon with special applications. They are a low yield nuclear weapon that produces the neutron blast of a high yield nuke. They wouldn’t be a weapon of choice for attacking hardened Iran sites because while they would do a superb job of killing the inhabitants, they would do very little physical damage. I doubt the Israelis would want to go to the trouble/trauma of using a nuke on something and leave it standing and largely operational for the next shift of workers to arrive and take over. Neutron weapons also produce very little fallout given the very small (in nuke weapon terms) primary nuclear explosion, so killing off everyone in the surrounding countries isn’t realistic.

Nuke41 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 25, 2012, 10:45:38 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on January 25, 2012, 07:12:49 AM

Nice misinfo zinger Nuke... ..I see your constant method is to preface your comments with a character attack first and then to proceed....Your governmnet and agents like Nuke will never faciltate this, though.

..TM7

It’s not misinformation, your theories aside, your description of military weapon systems, tactics and weapon effects is a jumbled mess that doesn’t make any sense. How do you expect to be credible in what you’re trying to promote when you post something that doesn’t makes any sense from a military standpoint, even if someone believed in the worldwide cabal theory that you promote?

I think you should have an opportunity to express your opinions, no matter how fringe they are, but in your case it isn’t about expressing it’s about demanding that we all sign up for the same beliefs that you have. You can’t state your position and allow others to take exception or find fault with it. You have to continue to dominate the discussion and finally if someone is forceful enough to challenge your position they suddenly become an “agent” of the cabal and questions and insinuations that they are Jewish start popping up. And of course you can’t limit your conspiracy theories to the appropriate blog, you have to post them anywhere you can squeeze them in. This particular topic in the political issues blog is a great example of what happens when someone is allowed to interject conspiracy theories into an otherwise relevant political/current events topic. You took a good discussion on US-Israeli relations and the possibility of war with Iran and drove it right into a ditch with a sustained conspiracy theory rant about a pending false flag attack by Israel on the US. At this point you’ve killed an otherwise good topic and discussion.