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Obamas flourishing economy.
« on: January 23, 2012, 10:39:20 AM »
The unemployment rate when Mr. Obama was elected was 6.8 percent; today it is 8.5 percent — at least that’s the official number. In reality, the Financial Times writes, “if the same number of people were seeking work today as in 2007, the jobless rate would be 11 percent.”

In addition, there are now fewer payroll jobs in America than there were in 2000 — 12 years ago — and now, 40 percent of those jobs are considered “low paying,” up 10 percent from when President Reagan took office. The number of self-employed has dropped 2 million to 14.5 million in just six years.

Regular gasoline per gallon cost $1.68 in January 2009. Today, it’s $3.39 — that’s a 102 percent increase in just three years. (By the way, if you’re keeping score at home, gas was $1.40 a gallon when George W. Bush took office in 2001, $1.68 when he left office — a 20 percent increase.)

Electricity bills have also skyrocketed, with households now paying a record $1,420 annually on average, up some $300.

Some 48 percent of all Americans — 146.4 million — are considered by the Census Bureau either as “low-income” or living in poverty, up 4 million from when Mr. Obama took office; 57 percent of all children in America now live in such homes.

Since December 2008, a month before Mr. Obama took office, food-stamp use has increased 46 percent. Total spending has more than doubled in just four years to a record high of $75 billion. In 2011, more than 46 million people — about one in seven Americans — got food stamps. That’s 14 million more than when Mr. Obama took office.

Median household income has dropped nearly 7 percent in the last six years, taking inflation into account. What’s more, nearly 20 percent of males age 25 to 34 now live with their parents.

Low- and middle-income Americans 65 and older now hold more than $10,000 in credit card debt, up 26 percent since 2005. The average age of the American car is 10 years; in 1990, it was 6.5 years old (by the way, in 1985, Americans bought 11 million cars; in 2009, less than half that, 5.4 million).

On the macro side, America’s annual budget has jumped to $3.8 trillion — and yet the United States brings in only about $2.1 trillion in revenue. The U.S. trade deficit for 2011 was $558 billion. America’s total public debt stands at $15.23 trillion; in January 2009, the debt was $10.62 trillion. Mr. Obama is on pace to borrow $6.2 trillion in just one term — more debt than was amassed by all presidents from Washington through Bill Clinton combined. The debt is rising by $4.2 billion every day — $175 million per hour, nearly $3 million per minute.


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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2012, 11:29:22 AM »
Those are truly shocking statistics.  However I have trouble blaming one President, or one thing on this mess.  As you look across the board on these issues, there are probably more factors than there are issues.  Of course all the current candidates claim they will solve these problems in their (first?) term.  We have built the SS/Medicare debit over more than 50 years.  We were warned about the "Military Industrial Complex" by (not Reagan) Eisenhower!!   Take out SS/Medicare, 50-70% of the Defense budget and interest on the massive debt taken on to fund these; and we are in fairly good shape. The increase in the price of gas and electricity is "free market economics", can't blame it on oil supply - our #1 export is FUEL - why because the WORLD price is higher than the high price we pay HERE.  Same with JOBS, we have exported or out sourced jobs to lower "cost" areas such as China.  Leaving us with more and more of a "Service" economy which has lower wages typically.  Of course we reserve the really high paying jobs for those who really do not create anything - Bankers, Wall Street brokers, lobbyists and Politicians.  As we get farther and farther from a manufacturing economy and into more of a "Global Investment" economy where the "job creators" create jobs through "Overseas investments"; I think we will see these negatives continue to increase.


I really don't think anything will significantly change (no matter who is elected) in the next 4-8 years.  I do think we are in for an interesting next decade or two.  At 61 I may not live to see this, but I do see the beginning of some of my favorite movies.  I recently saw a post about Florida privatizing the prison system and I flashed forward to a "private police system" like RoboCop - funny but not really funny.


I am sure we will see lots of blame thrown around but very few actual "workable" solutions offered.  Remember even when the Pentagon, Dept. Defense and the individual services did NOT want a weapons system (part of one - an engine I believe) the Speaker of the House could not bring himself to vote against the expense because it was built in his state.  Workable means you can get it implemented - good luck in this political environment.


I certainly do NOT have the answers - I wish I could recognize some one who does.  So far Ron Paul is the closest, but again see "workable" solutions. 


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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2012, 01:16:30 PM »
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I certainly do NOT have the answers - I wish I could recognize some one who does.  So far Ron Paul is the closest, but again see "workable" solutions. 

Most of the Austrian economists have been predicting it for some time. Ron Paul has too, as he is a pretty good Austrian economist himself. The Austrians also can explain why it happened and what to do about it. Ron Paul knows all of this and knows the outcome if a big change is not made. I think that is his motivation and not that of being president. He thinks that maybe he can do this for the people and knows that nothing will change with the others. Ideology must change from that of big brother taking care of you and protecting you to that of liberty and individualism. I think it might already be too late. It is over when the US cannot pay it's interest on the debt. We can survive only as long as interest rates stay very low. Interest rates run in long cycles. It is time for them to start rising. The Russians were somewhat civil when their system collapsed for the same reason. In the US when people lose everything including gov handouts, what do you think will happen?



Part of the problem is/was:
1.The Federal Reserve causing booms and busts my manipulating interest rates and money supply. Interest rates should be set by the markets. The Fed should be eliminated.
3. The printing of money by the Federal Reserve which causes a wealth transfer from the people to the big banks and government.
2. By the government propping up failed businesses.  This leaves the malinvestment (caused by #1) in the economy. It must be cleaned out.
3. By a too big government that takes capital out of the economy and interferes in the market process.
4. By a lack of savings caused by negative interest rates and high taxes. Savings when deposited become investment capital.
5. Socialism which robs the productive to support and increase the unproductive.
6. Wars which are paid for with printed money again extracting the wealth of the people for government purposes.

All of these things must be eliminated and we must have free markets and then we could again prosper.

These are just a few things off the top of my head.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2012, 02:37:29 PM »
In the US when people lose everything including gov handouts, what do you think will happen?



That is what I am most afraid of.  When the pendulum is pulled too far to one side the correction is SEVERE.   
I really do worry about what might happen in my children's lifetime.

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Re: Obamas flourishing economy.
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2012, 03:01:13 PM »
In the US when people lose everything including gov handouts, what do you think will happen?



That is what I am most afraid of.  When the pendulum is pulled too far to one side the correction is SEVERE.   
I really do worry about what might happen in my children's lifetime.
I think it will happen in our lifetime. One thing that Austrian economics cannot do is predict a precise date for something to occur. But, that being said, my predictions are within the next three years, five at most. The seeds are forming. We also do not know if the government will default or print. I would think print, which means a hyperinflationary depression which is worst of the two outcomes for the people, but keeps the politicians in place a little longer.
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