Author Topic: 2/3 scale Hern 3" ordinance rifle builds. everyone ! (Read 6977 times)

Legio3arty · « **Reply #30 on:** May 08, 2012, 10:54:10 PM »

I don't have a 2/3 scale 3" Ordnance Rifle, will a 2/3 scale 10lb Parrott Rifle suffice. Here's a few old pics of a toy I made for my son. I've since made a better set of properly dished wheels with tapered spokes. Once I get the new steel rim bands on I 'm planning to rework the barrel with a much bigger breech band. There's also a picture of my 1/1 scale 12-pounder we call "Napoleon Blown-Apart".

Tropico · « **Reply #31 on:** May 08, 2012, 11:17:08 PM »

Awesome pics Legio3arty

buzz36 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 09, 2012, 04:53:06 PM »

agreed liek the pics
tropico i know were yoour at now when i get my next trip planned i be in touch

Tropico · « **Reply #33 on:** May 10, 2012, 06:30:08 AM »

I will leave the light on for ya., but if your into diving., I will get the crewe to fill some tanks for you and we can go pirating SCUBA style. Otherwise., there are twin lakes close by., a sand bar that looks like its out of the movies., and Dumaguete city itself to add to you adventure time while you are here. If you dont mind my asking where is it you normally visit when you are here?

And to stay on topic., I have since coated both seawall cannons a 2nd time. RED I do like a house cannon in the wood with a varnish or polyurethane . I have a few ., But I must say if its big enough to go out doors ., DD's Abso%&@^*$#lutely 100% correct ! These are my first painted cannons ., and I like'm . I got 2 more smaller carriages to build for in the Bar ., and THEY WILL GET PAINTED .

Thank You once again men ., Cheers to all because at one time or another I have gotten advice tips tricks ., history and beautiful photos CD's Blueprints ., Hardware ., Cannons ., Yokes ., and various other pieces ., even a divarty trailer hitch cover ! from this forum. I would not have but one cannon as opposed to 23 if not for this forum . All fire-able ., THANK YOU ALL.

cdn_army · « **Reply #34 on:** May 10, 2012, 08:33:27 AM »

Tropico, i really enjoy following your building project!

Do you have the barrel where you are? Im looking for my first big size cannon and I would like to see the size of your 2/3 scale. If you have some pics of the barrel near the carriage or next to an adult.

Full size is to heavy for me, but a 2/3 scale ordinance rifle or a 3/4 6 pounders or a full scale mountain howitzer are the size im looking for

Zulu · « **Reply #35 on:** May 10, 2012, 12:45:25 PM »

Quote from: cdn_army on May 10, 2012, 08:33:27 AM

Tropico, i really enjoy following your building project!

Do you have the barrel where you are? Im looking for my first big size cannon and I would like to see the size of your 2/3 scale. If you have some pics of the barrel near the carriage or next to an adult.

Full size is to heavy for me, but a 2/3 scale ordinance rifle or a 3/4 6 pounders or a full scale mountain howitzer are the size im looking for

cdn-army,
Here are a few pics of a 2/3 scale Hern 1841 six pounder on a carriage I made. My customer took the pictures of the mounted gun.
Barrel is 43 1/2" long and weighs 250 lbs.
Zulu

clum sum · « **Reply #36 on:** May 10, 2012, 01:15:14 PM »

Hope Your Hern barrel is O K I have one that can only be used with blanks I will destroy it when I can't use it any more to keep anyone who doesen't know that it is not for use with shot or shell, from trying it.

Zulu · « **Reply #37 on:** May 10, 2012, 01:19:36 PM »

Quote from: clum sum on May 10, 2012, 01:15:14 PM

Hope Your Hern barrel is O K I have one that can only be used with blanks I will destroy it when I can't use it any more to keep anyone who doesen't know that it is not for use with shot or shell, from trying it.

What's wrong with it?
Zulu

clum sum · « **Reply #38 on:** May 10, 2012, 01:28:00 PM »

As I have posted before there is a bulge in the liner and the liner is not concentric with the center line of the barrel.

Tropico · « **Reply #39 on:** May 10, 2012, 02:32:08 PM »

I dont have any photos at the moment. the barrels are with me. I shipped them to the PI in 2006..., a longtime project here thats for sure. It wasnt the cannon I was in the long run for ., but the resort and the cannons are a big part of that dream. Very soon now I will have barrel pics probably at the end of this wek or the beginning of next.. as the trucks are about finished. 2/3rd scale Hern Ordinance Rifles are 55 inches long and weigh 340 pounds. I would like to have used the 6 pounder for its muzzle however I needed the length to protrude thru my sea wall and I was trying to hip the longest gun I could for the purpose of the seawall placement. My cannons will only fire blanks as projectiles here are forbidden 1 ., and 2., if I fire at the sea ., the Philippine Navy may do a chopper flyby and put me in my place just before I spend the rest of my retirement in a very uncomfortable prison. They dont have air con ., clean laundry toothpaste and television and internet here for murders and rapists ., like we do at home. Here prisons are designed to give bad people a bad time. I will fire blanks ., which I believe is always better in a Hern cannon. I love my Herns ..., for that purpose ., I just believe anytime you want to live fire., cast iron with a steel liner is a bad idea ., I dont believe cast Iron should have anything to do with live fire ., I've done it with modest loads using 1" bore cannon. For bigger bores ., and live fire ., I believe in a very exensive cannon ., or no cannon at all. Live fire only what you can afford to fire ., from a cannon machined from solid stock on a big lathe ., from a metal you can believe in ., with a wall thickness past the required 1 caliber rule ....., and you have a real cannon. What if I was gonna fill my cannon with cement when I was done with it..........., but I got taken out by a bus the day before while riding the other woman (HD Wide-Glide) ? Then what? Could be bad for some one.....? Cannon correctness is such a strict and important topico for us all in order to preserve the rights of future generations ....., lets all remember teach and always pass along the rules of this forum whenever a novice cannoneer shows interest in this awesome ., fun and historic hobby / lifestyle. Amen to that Brother !

Tropico · « **Reply #40 on:** May 12, 2012, 06:55:30 PM »

I am hoping to put the barrel in by wednesday or so. PAINT !!!

Cannoneer · « **Reply #41 on:** May 12, 2012, 10:19:40 PM »

Really handsome carriages, Rich, they turned out well. What kind of finish do you plan for the barrels (gloss, flat)?

Quote from: Double D on May 08, 2012, 03:49:57 PM

Painted carriages look so good, a cannoner would be proud...those varthaned raw wood carriages look nice also, they would make any home decorator smile.

I've always appreciated your subtle sense of humor; but woudn't the home decorator actually be more concerned with all the paint options they had to choose from? Personally, I'd think that a fine craftsman producing custom furniture, might be a more likely candidate to be wearing a broad smile on his face, while contemplating a finely figured piece of wood that's been enhanced by an appropriate (clear) finish. Come to think of it, that's not a bad analogy, because it seems to me like wooden artillery carriages are a kind of battle furniture.

Legio3arty · « **Reply #42 on:** May 12, 2012, 11:32:22 PM »

Now, now boys,
How about a compromise. I know this ain't the kind artillery carriage you're used to seeing but notice how the wheels are woodgrain and painted. Kinda like chocolate and peanut butter! For those who aren't history geeks like me, this is an experiment we did in Maryland a few years back as initial research towards reconstructing a Roman carroballista. The carroballista was arguably the world's first true field artillery piece. It was an iron-framed torsion ballista that could be fired from a tripod, mounted in fortifications, or from the back of a mule cart. In this case we were using a wooden-framed three span catapulta, but the goal was to test out my new cart and to figure out how the tripod would have been built. No boom, but still fun.

flagman1776 · « **Reply #43 on:** May 13, 2012, 02:27:31 AM »

I am just wondering if anyone has tried the sealant preservative paint POR15 system. Yes, it must be top coated. I would like to try it on a new tube, to cut down maintance.
Tropico, your carriages look great!

Quote from: Tropico on May 12, 2012, 06:55:30 PM

I am hoping to put the barrel in by wednesday or so. PAINT !!!

Cannoneer · « **Reply #44 on:** May 13, 2012, 07:41:23 AM »

IIRC, Rickk and a few other members used that product on their barrels, and they all gave it high marks.

Legio3arty,
I like it!

GGaskill · « **Reply #45 on:** May 13, 2012, 09:55:48 AM »

So is there any video of it in action???

Tropico · « **Reply #46 on:** May 13, 2012, 01:42:47 PM »

Now video yet George. Actually I did bring 2 quarts of POR15 with me for my swivel yokes and the 2 HERN barrels ., this is what I will be using on the Seawall cannons. I tried some on my backhoe bucket an area of about 4" X 4" about 5 years ago ., after 4 or 5 drainfields in rocky soil the POR15 was amazingly still there., it took on a glass look and it really a life time finish. I brought this with because of sun and sea spray. I think its the best for my purpose. If anyone is interested in such a product you should try it for things you really want to protect in rough conditions. I think youll be a POR15 supporter after that one.

OH on the question of Paint or? 2 of my Powder Keg built cannons from my 6-Pack are bronze and they are for furniture actually they will be in the manor forieur. They will be made from a hardwood here in the PI called Acacea and they will be polyurethane clear. They will get a glass top and support lamps as tables. The others in the 6-pack are stainless and will be set into Dominick built swivel yokes coated in POR15 and placed around the restaurant and dive shop in the resort.

Victor3 · « **Reply #47 on:** May 14, 2012, 12:33:57 AM »

Quote from: Tropico on May 10, 2012, 02:32:08 PM

My cannons will only fire blanks as projectiles here are forbidden...

Hi Tropico - Correct me if I'm wrong but some years back, I think it may have been you who said that even BP blanks were a no-no in the PI? Is that the case?

IIRC, we were talking about propane, calcium carbide, etc. as an alternative(?)

Just curious...

Tropico · « **Reply #48 on:** May 14, 2012, 04:04:09 AM »

Yes ., that was me. BP is not available here. However............, ? there is making it Smiling. Or there is Propane. If I could figure a way to consistently and quickly fire propane safely ., that would be even better as we will not send projos out into the water out at our Open Water Students. *Wicked~Wicked~Nasty~Gold~Toothed~Grin* I do not know how to take an already built tube like a hern., and modify a set up to do this ., I wish I did. I can do about anything ., once I've already done it before with an expert ., LOL but to read it then experiment on my own guns myelf is something I am not sure of ., as well as I dont know how to do it to begin with. I do know how to make BP ., but I rather use Propane if I could ., any ideas anyone ., Tube is 2.25 bore ., this may be of importance as well ., most propane cannons I've heard of were 3" and also 4" . which is alot different.

flagman1776 · « **Reply #49 on:** May 14, 2012, 04:49:25 AM »

Tropico · « **Reply #50 on:** May 15, 2012, 02:40:37 AM »

MMMM not good ., I hope he is O.K. and continues his cannoneering en devours, although be it with more research and safety in mind. I am not sure what the answer will be. Propane comes to mind ., A big boom and not caustic on the barrel. I will have to wait for rigging until they go on the sea wall . However a quoin is soon to follow now that can get some real measurements. They did not come out perfect. As always after its over I can see where I should have cut in differant places ., but over all for my purposes they are pretty much complete and can sit awhile so we can get the placements built. Here is a photo with barrel.

flagman1776 · « **Reply #51 on:** May 15, 2012, 03:21:26 AM »

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flagman1776 · « **Reply #52 on:** May 15, 2012, 07:37:42 AM »

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Victor3 · « **Reply #53 on:** May 16, 2012, 01:45:38 AM »

The most simple and effective way to do it without modifying the barrel would probably be by charging it with oxy-acetylene via a torch tip through the vent. The leads from a piezoelectric bbq igniter could be taped together and inserted into the vent to set the charge off with the push of a button.

flagman1776 · « **Reply #54 on:** May 16, 2012, 04:30:28 AM »

A lot of reenactments (event organizing organization) prohibit fuses and quills, insist on priming with loose powder... because of the danger of flaming debris falling or persons & property. The loose powder is consumed in the air in close proximity to the piece.

Tropico · « **Reply #55 on:** May 18, 2012, 08:14:29 AM »

No decisions yet. Victor3 is on the money however. I have not given up yet on Powder. There are permits available for firework display people who do events . Holidays ., grand openings ect ., so I have not given into NO just yet.

Cannoneer · « **Reply #56 on:** May 18, 2012, 09:29:47 AM »

Rich,

This barrel and carriage coupling looks killer. Very good!

flagman1776 · « **Reply #57 on:** May 18, 2012, 09:58:56 AM »

KABAR2 · « **Reply #58 on:** May 18, 2012, 10:27:51 AM »

What are the regs in your neck of the world? any restrictions on black powder? and or shooting cannon? just finished reading a couple of posts back so this is answered......

Tropico · « **Reply #59 on:** May 19, 2012, 04:08:03 AM »

Thank you men. I tried to get the longest barrel at lightest weight for this project ., Shipping weight overseas ., and enough barrel to go past my sea wall. A belled muzzle would have been cool ., but all things considered this would be the barrel . Not one of sound mind and body ., and not afraid to be different. This is the combo I got ., Killer combo (A carriage 150 years late for the barrel) ....,(Lucky to have what I have is all ., historically inaccurate ., but over here they'll never know *Smiling*) Well all I can say is I learned from the best ...., I learned from the men at this forum. Providence and Bounty. You hurt my feelings. I had the Lynx ., Lady Washington ., and the Hawaiian Chieftain to play with. your ships would have been some real fun ., especially Bounty. I love the Ship ! Kabar2 lots of restrictions ., but I am learning what and who and how to as I go here ., making some BP and getting a fireworks permit ., could be ok ., and get a KaBoom after all . This is really what I want not to plumb for propane ., one step at a time here ., after making the right steps ., last last step is to let my local officials (Baranguy Captains) fire the first salvo of our little garrison. I believe these two guns., stairs down to the marina in between and one of Wes's swivels on each side. So 4 on the sea wall really. Cannons make pirates feel well defended *Smiling* a ~Wicked~Wicked~Nasty~Gold~Toothed~Grin~