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Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« on: January 25, 2012, 11:06:37 AM »
I know that I WANT a .45/70 Ultra... and I am pretty sure that I don't NEED a .45/70... but I am hoping you can convince me that I do indeed NEED one... please convince me!  ;D
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 11:41:06 AM »
Every red blooded American male needs at least one 45-70.  It is a connection with our ancestors, and our heritage.  It is a uniquely American caliber.  It is an almost all encompassing round.  With round ball and Unique you have a rabbit gun.  With a more potent load behind a heavy bullet, you have a rhino stopper.
 
If you really want to be a qualified Handiholic, you must have at least one.
 
Good enough?
 
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2012, 11:44:14 AM »
Just Because..... that's what I told my wife!!!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2012, 12:05:15 PM »
mice problems or T- rex!!!!
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2012, 12:06:00 PM »
jus shoot one a coupla times wif handloaded exotic flavors.
 you'll see............. ;D
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2012, 12:15:13 PM »
You have to have at least one Handi in 45-70 to be on this forum or your account will be blocked by the Handi Gods.  At least that is what gcrank1 told me before I bought mine. ::)
 
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2012, 12:59:47 PM »
They almost all shoot incredibly well. We have 2 and if you reload the 45-70 can be a VERY versitile gun. Sorry but you don't NEED one, but the WANTs list sometimes gets a little blurry and smudged a little and it kind of looks like the needs list... just squint a little.  ;D
Just look at the success thread... those that love 'em use 'em and use 'em well.
I know I didn't push you very hard in the NEEDS direction, but I really do not think you would be unhappy with it. Practice squinting....    thejanitor
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2012, 01:18:11 PM »
I bought a brand new 45-70 and after checking target at 50 yds, I cut it and recrowned it at 18".  For fun I use 300 grain lead over Trailboss, no fuss, not much noise, not much recoil and at 50 yds it still shoots just as well when sighted in.  out to 100 yds I just use kentucky windage on coyote.  I got a ladyelk tag last year and went up to a cattle tank trail at 4am and hunkered behind some juniper.  4 does had come in the other side along with a bull.  Bull pushed them up off the water on my trail.  I picked the largest doe,#2, and hit her with a Bufflo Bore 350 grain full load.  Yeah it hurt and I had elk running everywhere.  First I reloaded, then I went to look.  Far side of the trail away from me, about 45', was covered with blood and some bone.  Found her in less than 10 minutes. 
Varmint to elk, that's why you need a 45-70 Handi.  Whole lot of fun
 
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2012, 01:26:30 PM »
 
Hi all, (especially Quick) just dropping in to say hello and of course give my opinion, it has been a long long time!!
 
As a rule (not really just a guideline) everyone needs at least two 45-70's JMHO.
 
Firstly, the 45-70 is a very vesatile cartridge in both smokeless and black powder, shoots several weights of jacketed and lead alloy cast 'boolits' and it is inherently accurate. It can be loaded cool to quite hot(not in all rifles). And it is NOT a short range cartridge. The new Hornady Leverevolution 'boolit' will take you to at least 150 yards on some of the biggest game animals.
 
I have a few and love them all.
 
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2012, 01:36:07 PM »
If you don't have a 45-70 now, then you really do need one! If you already own a 45-70 but it's not a Handi, then again, you really do need one!  ;D
 
 Good on target. Easy to use. Easier to clean. Simple to maintain. More readily lends itself to personal modifications. Costs less than any others. Ammo is available off the shelf. Reloading components are popular therefore affordable. A breeze to reload to do just about anything you want. Smokeless powder, black powder, substitute powders. Bear hunting to paper punching with the grandkids.
 
 Still need more convincing?  8)
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2012, 01:38:16 PM »
Just because you do!
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2012, 01:41:49 PM »
after hearing all the talk on here about the 45-70 (and not wanting to be banned from the board  ;D ) I finally bought a barrel, it's in the mail and I should have it tomorrow. now I have to start collecting 45-70 stuff. you just gotta have a couple big bores in your Handi stable :)  I'll have this to go with my 450Marlin, besides it's a piece of history.....
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2012, 02:07:19 PM »
McLernon is right, you NEED two. One you shoot as a 45-70 and the other you have turned into a smokeless muzzleloader.
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2012, 04:16:03 PM »
the 45-70 is a round you can really fill in your hand and looks big too. 8)
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2012, 04:59:06 PM »
Take one 45-70 brass case fired with the dead primer still in, blow across the shell mouth and you have a really neat whistle.  Amaze your friends with the giant shell that's a whistle.  Just one more reason for a 45-70.
 
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2012, 05:35:17 PM »
You should own a 45-70 if for no other reason than because you CAN. 

I stated on another thread here that I like and use a .444 on deer and hogs more than the 45-70.  What's also true is that if ever forced to choose one or the other, then the 45-70 would be the one I'll take.  How can you not like a cartridge with the history, versatility and effectiveness this one has.

My favorite use of the 45-70 is with the buffalo rifle using peep sights.  I've shot Handi's, Hi Walls and Sharps in this configuration and it's just plain fun.  It's also pretty amazing how well rifles set up like this can be shot. 
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2012, 06:01:00 PM »
Why? Because when you have a 45-70, you will also have ammo on hand. A 405Gr loaded round makes an excellent paperweight that looks real cool!
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2012, 02:19:20 AM »
Why? That is simple. 1) It is a very versatile cartridge 2) It is an American cartridge 3) God loves peole who own 45-70s a bit more than everyone else 4) It is the right thing to own 5) You can't get into heaven without one 6) It is a great cartridge
Does more really need to be said? Just get one you will be filled with joy, the heavens will open and good things will pour out upon you. Oh and chicks dig 45-70 owners.
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2012, 02:36:47 AM »
Quote from: mechanic on January 25, 2012, 11:41:06 AM
Every red blooded American male needs at least one 45-70.  It is a connection with our ancestors, and our heritage.  It is a uniquely American caliber.  It is an almost all encompassing round.  With round ball and Unique you have a rabbit gun.  With a more potent load behind a heavy bullet, you have a rhino stopper.
 
If you really want to be a qualified Handiholic, you must have at least one.
 
Good enough?
 
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2012, 06:32:50 AM »
With the coming "Zombie Apocalypse" you will NOT be under-gunned! 8)
 
I have two.  A Wesson & Harrington Buffalo Classic and a great old Shikari.  I shoot ONLY black powder with homemade bullets.  Trapdoor loads in either are easy on the mind and body and group VERY nicely.  535 grn and 500 grn in the Buff- go a loooong ways and hit HARD!
 
AND, as has been said above.......because its simply a great round.
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2012, 08:04:17 AM »
Now don't think I'm braggin' or something, I'm not some great shot.
 
But the very first three rounds I put through my Handi .45-70 went into an inch and an eigth at 100 yards.  Mine has never seen a jacketed bullet and never will.  I cast my own and can cast from 145 grain round ball/collar button to 560 grain nose pour Lyman.
 
How can a real American not love that?
 
 
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2012, 08:13:56 AM »
Quote from: mechanic on January 25, 2012, 11:41:06 AM
Every red blooded American male needs at least one 45-70.  It is a connection with our ancestors, and our heritage.  It is a uniquely American caliber.  It is an almost all encompassing round.  Ben

As luck would have it... I am a red blooded CANADIAN male!  ;D
 
But we have history, plains and buffalo also... so its all good!
 
I am pretty much convinced... that I do "waaann...NEED" a .45/70... I already have a Sportster 17 Hummer and am looking for an HM2 barrel for it... I have an Ultra Varmint with a bull .243 barrel cut to 20" and braked and a .308 bull barrel cut and braked to 20"... my next question would be, should I just get a .45/70 barrel for my Ultra frame or should I just buy the Ultra Hunter (SS) in .45/70? I think I am inclined to get a dedicated rifle.
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2012, 08:23:03 AM »
Quote from: TopperT on January 26, 2012, 06:32:50 AM
With the coming "Zombie Apocalypse" you will NOT be under-gunned! 8) 

My theory on Zombie apolcalypse weapons is my tactical 10/22 platform guns with 20 bricks of Winny SSHP's... very quiet, rapid expansion and you can carry thousands of rounds and get them off fast... using 20 BX-25 mags in a 10 pocket vest with a Molle pack with the rest of the mags and ammo... .45/70 ammo weighs too much and is cranial overload! I'd go with a mag extension on a Remmy 870 and 2 3/4" high brass lead BB's before the .45/70...  ;D   
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2012, 08:44:37 AM »
Quote from: hoytcanon on January 26, 2012, 08:23:03 AM
My theory on Zombie apocalypse weapons is my tactical 10/22 platform guns with 20 bricks of Winny SSHP's... very quiet, rapid expansion and you can carry thousands of rounds and get them off fast...

FINALLY!   ::) I found something I have in common with a cannu... uh, Canadian!
 
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2012, 09:54:11 AM »
For the Zombie apocoplypse I will just tread mills all the way around my house!
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2012, 12:40:50 PM »
Not to derail this thread, and forgive me for my ignorance, but how would one go about turning one into a smokeless muzzleloader?
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2012, 12:47:06 PM »
Quote from: AtlLaw on January 26, 2012, 08:44:37 AM
Quote from: hoytcanon on January 26, 2012, 08:23:03 AM
My theory on Zombie apocalypse weapons is my tactical 10/22 platform guns with 20 bricks of Winny SSHP's... very quiet, rapid expansion and you can carry thousands of rounds and get them off fast...

FINALLY!   ::) I found something I have in common with a cannu... uh, Canadian!
 ;) ;D

Canuck is fine... we are not ALL thin-skinned... and if this is the first thing you have found in common with a "cannu... uh, Canadian"... maybe you have been talking to the wrong "cannu... uh, Canadian's!"
 
We have alot of dedicated outdoor, shooting enthusiasts... you'd just never know it from our FRIGGIN' LIBERAL media!!! And most of us are very appreciative of our neighbors south of the border... without you guys we'd be wearing red with a "hammer and sickle" not red with a "maple leaf!!!"  ;D 
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2012, 04:00:09 PM »
Quote from: quasne.inc on January 26, 2012, 12:40:50 PM
Not to derail this thread, and forgive me for my ignorance, but how would one go about turning one into a smokeless muzzleloader?
Tap chamber, Make/buy plug for 209, load from front!  ;)
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2012, 01:01:52 AM »
Quote from: tacklebury on January 26, 2012, 04:00:09 PM
Quote from: quasne.inc on January 26, 2012, 12:40:50 PM
Not to derail this thread, and forgive me for my ignorance, but how would one go about turning one into a smokeless muzzleloader?
Tap chamber, Make/buy plug for 209, load from front!  ;)

Conversions  have been made using the savage 10 ML breech plug, there are other methods.  You will also need to modify your forestock and barrel if with you want to have a collapsible ramrod and thimble.  IMHO, a converted Handi 45-70 is one very fine muzzleloader, using smokeless or BP or BP substitute powders.
 
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Re: Why do I need an H&R .45/70???
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2012, 04:35:55 AM »
Quote from: bikerbeans on January 27, 2012, 01:01:52 AM
a converted Handi 45-70 is one very fine muzzleloader, using smokeless or BP or BP substitute powders.

STOP...TALKING...ABOUT...THIS!!!!   :'(
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