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2066 US citizens in Kansas denied food stamps
« on: January 27, 2012, 02:33:34 AM »

 
 
 
TOPEKA —  Some legislators said Wednesday they plan to review a new state policy that has reduced or cut off food stamp benefits to hundreds of U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants in Kansas.
The bipartisan group of lawmakers acknowledged that they’re sympathetic to Gov. Sam Brownback’s administration trying to ensure that families with illegal immigrants aren’t being treated more generously than families whose members are all legal residents. The administration said the change simply means all Kansas families are treated the same.
But the lawmakers worry that the effect will be most felt by children whose families were eligible for food stamps under the old standard but have since lost the benefits. The lawmakers said the state is punishing children rather than cracking down on illegal immigration.
Brownback has asked Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services officials for updates on the new policy but he’s not looking to modify it, his spokeswoman Sherriene Jones-Sontag said. Some lawmakers said the Republican-controlled Legislature could consider revising the policy.
“It has the effect of denying food to children, which is something I could never support,” said Sen. John Vratil, a Leawood Republican and a member of the budget-writing Senate Ways and Means Committee. “We need to get further explanation from SRS.”
Questions about the SRS policy have arisen as Brownback faces criticism over his proposal to overhaul the state’s individual income tax system. State Department of Revenue figures showed last week that filers with adjusted gross incomes of $25,000 or less – 41 percent of the total – would be the only group to see a collective increase in income taxes, though the administration says it would be offset by additional social services spending.
“It just all adds up,” said Senate Ways and Means Committee Chairwoman Carolyn McGinn, a Sedgwick Republican. “We don’t want to hurt our working poor.”
Legislators also expect in coming weeks to debate proposals for cracking down on illegal immigration.
“I just think there are creative ways to resolve this and not hurt the kids,” said Sen. Laura Kelly, of Topeka, the ranking Democrat on the Senate budget committee.
The new SRS policy took effect Oct. 1 for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, previously known as the food stamp program.
The policy changes how household incomes are calculated for determining eligibility. SRS said the change means all families are being treated the same, whether some members are illegal immigrants or not.
Since the policy took effect, 1,042 households with 2,066 children have lost their SNAP benefits, though it’s unclear how many of the affected households had illegal immigrants, SRS spokeswoman Angela de Rocha said. The state is providing SNAP benefits to about 137,000 households, meaning the change potentially affected fewer than 1 percent, she said.
For the past decade, SRS had calculated a lower household income if some family members couldn’t show they were living in the U.S. legally. For example, if a household had two working parents who couldn’t show they were in the U.S. legally and two U.S.-born children, SRS counted half of the parents’ income.
As a result, families with illegal immigrants could qualify more easily for SNAP benefits than families with no illegal immigrants, de Rocha said. Also, some families received benefits when their incomes would have disqualified them if all members had been legal U.S. residents, she said.
“We’re just computing everybody’s income the same way,” de Rocha said. “Kansas citizens have a right to expect that their government treats them at least as well as people in this country illegally. That’s why we changed the policy.”
But some legislators argue that the change still affects poor children. Under current federal guidelines a family of four can’t qualify for the benefits unless its household income is less than $2,422 a month. Even then, SRS does another calculation that examines a family’s expenses, such as housing.
“We need to make sure that the kids aren’t unfairly getting less food than they need,” said Rep. Jerry Henry, of Cummings, the ranking Democrat on the House Social Services Budget Committee. “You have to look at what’s happened to the kids.”
But de Rocha said that the relatively small number of children affected by the new policy remain eligible for free or low-cost lunches at school, and Medicaid, which provides health coverage.


I guess it is easier to pick on the children than the parents. :(
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Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2012/01/25/2190045/kansas-lawmakers-want-to-review.html#storylink=cpy

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Re: 2066 US citizens in Kansas denied food stamps
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2012, 03:07:41 AM »
Jeeze!!!!!!! Can people not see that the parents put their kids in that spot? Guess it's easier to blame the state than the parents who don't accept responsibility for their actions. Unless of course one assumes that we are all property of the state! ::)
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2012, 03:36:36 AM »
At a bare minimum, food stamps should be limited to a very narrow class of foods.  I get so irritated standing in a checkout line when some relatively young couple has a basket heaped full of all the goodies and crap you can imagine and then whips out the stamps to pay for it.  I would much rather that there be a warehouse with only staple foods that needy folks could go to and get their free grub.
 
I have no sympathy for illegals--no matter what their age.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 03:50:54 AM »
CITIZENS?? BOOHOO. In name only. That is a bad law that was designed to protect children born of SLAVES, not criminals from another country. They now know who the criminal parents are and where they are. Round em up, ship em as far South as possible, and take their ILLEGAL brats with them. No sympathy here. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 03:56:18 AM »
Quote from Powderman:
"CITIZENS?? BOOHOO. In name only. That is a bad law that was designed to protect children born of SLAVES, not criminals from another country. They now know who the criminal parents are and where they are. Round em up, ship em as far South as possible, and take their ILLEGAL brats with them. No sympathy here. POWDERMAN."


Like it or not the children are as legal as you or I unless and until the law is changed and deserve the same supports and rights of any other citizen.
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 04:35:05 AM »
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"CITIZENS?? BOOHOO. In name only. That is a bad law that was designed to protect children born of SLAVES, not criminals from another country. They now know who the criminal parents are and where they are. Round em up, ship em as far South as possible, and take their ILLEGAL brats with them. No sympathy here. POWDERMAN."


Like it or not the children are as legal as you or I unless and until the law is changed and deserve the same supports and rights of any other citizen.
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So! Would you support sending them (all) home if the laws were changed concerning citizenship?
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2012, 04:46:03 AM »
Quote from Powderman:
"CITIZENS?? BOOHOO. In name only. That is a bad law that was designed to protect children born of SLAVES, not criminals from another country. They now know who the criminal parents are and where they are. Round em up, ship em as far South as possible, and take their ILLEGAL brats with them. No sympathy here. POWDERMAN."


Like it or not the children are as legal as you or I unless and until the law is changed and deserve the same supports and rights of any other citizen.
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So! Would you support sending them (all) home if the laws were changed concerning citizenship?
I wouldn't.  my daughters best friend was brought here as a toddler and is like a member of our family.  most here disagree, but I would allow all except those who are caught breaking OTHER laws, to remain.  that said, I would completely close the border to prevent others from coming.
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2012, 04:48:07 AM »
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So! Would you support sending them (all) home if the laws were changed concerning citizenship?

 
Hunter. You didn't address who this is to. For me, I'd like to see citizenship revoked for these children of criminals. This is a big reason the criminal invaders come here and we should NOT condone and support criminal activity. If you were addressing me, then YES, send them packing. If you meant guzzi then I await his reply. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2012, 04:53:50 AM »
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"So! Would you support sending them (all) home if the laws were changed concerning citizenship?"


I have mixed feelings on this. My heart says we should welcome everyone that is trying to improve their life, my head says that probably isn't realistic. As I see it it is kind of like those who think all guns should be banned in the US. TO LATE! The jeanie is out of the bottle. There is no way to confiscate all the guns in the US even if the laws were past and there was a lot of public support for it, so deal with them. Kind of the same with illegal immigration, the barn door has been open way to long and way to many have passed through it, so we need to find ways to assimilate them the best we can because I just do not see any way to round them all up, get them out and keep them out (I would be very much against some past posts in other threads saying that they should be shot, the military should patrol the boarders, etc.). Now, lets please not thread drift to much here, my original post was that these children are AMERICAN CITIZENS and like it or not we cannot be discriminating against them.
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2012, 05:10:32 AM »
At a bare minimum, food stamps should be limited to a very narrow class of foods.  I get so irritated standing in a checkout line when some relatively young couple has a basket heaped full of all the goodies and crap you can imagine and then whips out the stamps to pay for it.  I would much rather that there be a warehouse with only staple foods that needy folks could go to and get their free grub.
 
I have no sympathy for illegals--no matter what their age.
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Ummm, that would be socialism,,,'to each according to his needs'... ;) just joshin....the food industry would be up in arms if the food stamp program was discrimatory among producers since it is governmnet funded. But yes, I know what you mean...seems odd that food stamps buy junk food and crap. Perhaps it should operate along the WIC program more which offers staples for consumption..
Keeping 2066 families or kids off food stamps for not qualifying seems like a drop in the bucket, though.
 
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2012, 05:29:37 AM »
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the barn door has been open way to long and way to many have passed through it, so we need to find ways to assimilate them the best we can because I just do not see any way to round them all up, get them out and keep them out (

 
guzzi. It's way past time to close that barn door and bar it shut, with force if necessary. We already have laws to assimilate them, the LEGAL way. Easiest way I know to round em up and ship em out is to START TODAY. The longest journey starts with just ONE STEP. I read where WE spent over $ 35 billion on these criminals every year and growing daily, not counting jobs taken away from Americans. People who hire them, rent to them, etc should be fined and jailed. Cities who give sanctuary to criminals should have ALL federal funding stopped, and city leaders charged with aiding and abetting, and harboring known criminals, then fined and jailed. I have zero tolerance for these criminal invaders, or the kids they have here. When these invaders have a baby they should all be shipped South as soon as the baby and mother can travel, and NO citizenship. Some here seem to think that theres nothing wrong with rewarding criminal behaviour, and thats exactly what it is. Round em up, ship em out, start lining up the buses, trains, planes, and boats. Yes, it can be done, lets get started now. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2012, 06:07:00 AM »
Alabama's unemployment rate dropped to 8.1% an almost 2% drop AFTER the ILLEGAL immigration law was passed.  Sure a few farmers had problems getting help.  HOWEVER, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, and Mississippi had negligable drops.  Theirs are at least 1% higher than Alabama's.  Florida's is still at 10%.  If the EXISTING federal law about illegals was ENFORCED, we could have at least a 1% drop in unemployment.  IF also, offshore drilling, government land drilling, the pipeline from Canada, and more drilling in Alaska, we could drop it another 1% and cut imported oil probably 20-30%.  Now this would start the economy moving again, government would get more taxes, AND people OFF unemployment and food stamps, therefore bringing down the government expenses.  Green energy is great, but it will not take effect UNTIL it is reasonably priced to compete with traditional sources. 
 
One can spend $45,000 on a ground water heat pump system for 5 tons of heating and cooling or the same amount on solar panels and cut their utility bills to about 20% of what they are now.  However, you can spend far less on insulation, using 6" exterior studs, using a tankless water heater, and LED lighting in a new home for about $5,000 extra and cut you fuel bills to about 50% or less.  The extra $40,000 not spent on this green equipment will pay for about 30-40 years of utilities, and you can pay off your house faster.  Solar panels deterioate over time, so do the ground water heat pumps (15 year life expectancy).  When it gets about half this cost, it might pay for itself, until then no way. 
 
So, lets get to drilling, pipeline building, refining, and cutting the imports, keep the money at home, and get the unemployment down, and get the illegals out.  Then we won't have a lot of these problems. 
 
I also think the law needs to be changed and anyone born to and ILLEGAL will NOT automatically be an American citizen.  These are just anchor babies.  I do think one way to maybe help the illegals, IF they join the military, and take an allegance to the US and its constitution, and pass an immigration test, MAYBE give them citizenship.  They would be putting their life on the line for our country that way. 

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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2012, 06:50:49 AM »
I found Gov Brownbacks email addy and typed a letter but could not find a way to send it, which is not unusual for my puter. I'll list it below, good luck. I wanted to compliment him for standing up for Americans. Let me know if you get it to work. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
 
 
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2012, 06:51:34 AM »
Quote from Dixie Dude:
"I do think one way to maybe help the illegals, IF they join the military, and take an allegance to the US and its constitution, and pass an immigration test, MAYBE give them citizenship.  They would be putting their life on the line for our country that way. "


That may be one way to start. Maybe if we all put as much brain power in coming up with solutions instead of just complaining and throwing out unrealistic ideas as in reply #11 things might improve for all involved. There are some really great people that come from south of the border.
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2012, 09:32:34 AM »
Place the responsibility where it belongs!!!!!! On the illegal parents! Let them take their "anchor babies" home with them when they are deported, or put them up for adoption to American parents. Tough descision?
Sure is! But they didn't have any problem with making the descision to come here illegally did they?
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2012, 10:02:16 AM »
The border should be closed.  but, if you take a ride down through the middle of the Yucatan, you'd understand why these people risk their lives to come here.
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2012, 10:40:58 AM »
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also think the law needs to be changed and anyone born to and ILLEGAL will NOT automatically be an American citizen.  These are just anchor babies.  I do think one way to maybe help the illegals, IF they join the military, and take an allegance to the US and its constitution, and pass an immigration test, MAYBE give them citizenship.  They would be putting their life on the line for our country that way. 

 
I could probably go along with that. The 1st thing would be to do it all in ENGLISH. That old law designed to help slaves should have nothing to do with these criminal invaders, and gingrich wants to legalize them,  and reward them for being criminals. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2012, 09:27:13 AM »
"We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal,that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and free food at the expense of everyone else...nah...that isn't how it works. If these people need food, then they can A. work for money, B. Grow their own food, or C. sell their belongings and simplify their lifestyles in order to afford food, or D. in desperation seek assistance from your family, local churches and/or food banks. The idea that the government should feed kids whose parents won't feed them is ridiculous. We need to return to a nation of self sustaining and personally responsible citizens. My grandparents would have starved to death before accepting 'blood money' from the government. The nanny state mind set has bankrupted our country and our children's future. To all those crying about those poor kids consider this....their parents made decisions that hurt their children. Yes it is horrible and not fair, but as we were all told growing up LIFE ISN"T FAIR. You don't take from those who do work and provide for their families just to give to someone who won't work or be responsible enough to not have kids if you can't afford to feed them!
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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2012, 09:45:50 AM »
HEATHER. You go girl. Loved it. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2012, 09:52:51 AM »
Well, at least Heather has some inkling of what I have been trying to get across to y'all. The illegal immigrant PARENTS are responsible for the situation these kids are in.........let THEM take responsibility for fixing it! Let them go back to their own country and take their children with them.......or let them go back and leave their children here to be adopted by AMERICANS. Those are really the only ways they can make it right!

Hiding from the law while at the same time leaching from the legitimate taxpayers, to feed their kids, is not the right answer!
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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2012, 09:54:04 AM »
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Now, lets please not thread drift to much here, my original post was that these children are AMERICAN CITIZENS and like it or not we cannot be discriminating against them.
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GuzziJohn, you apparently did not read your own posted article too well.  The children of the illegal aliens were being given PREFERENTIAL treatment.  The change would stop the discrimination against the children of citizens.
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2012, 10:45:30 AM »
Children are not the ones getting the Food Stamps.  Yes they will benefit, but they are not the ones getting the food stamps.   The illegal parents should have never been able to get food stamps in the first place.  The children did not create this the illegal parents did.  Yes the children will suffer, but the US did not create the problem the illegal parents did.  Why should we pay to feed their kids?  Giving them Food Stamps is just another Magnet to bring more to this country.  Just like the WIC program.

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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2012, 11:27:50 AM »
The families came here because there were unfilled job positions, fine I can accept that sorta, I suppose.


The jobs are GONE so should the illegal immigrant workers. Giving them or their children food aid only exacerbates the immigration problem.


When these children reach the age of maturity they can leave home and return as citizens if they so desire. Alternatively they can be left here when adopted by citizens. In a nation of laws they are legally citizens... and their parents are not. Be gone criminal.
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Re: 2066 US citizens in Kansas denied food stamps
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2012, 11:38:35 AM »
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"CITIZENS?? BOOHOO. In name only. That is a bad law that was designed to protect children born of SLAVES, not criminals from another country. They now know who the criminal parents are and where they are. Round em up, ship em as far South as possible, and take their ILLEGAL brats with them. No sympathy here. POWDERMAN."


Like it or not the children are as legal as you or I unless and until the law is changed and deserve the same supports and rights of any other citizen.
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So! Would you support sending them (all) home if the laws were changed concerning citizenship?
I wouldn't.  my daughters best friend was brought here as a toddler and is like a member of our family.  most here disagree, but I would allow all except those who are caught breaking OTHER laws, to remain.  that said, I would completely close the border to prevent others from coming.
if you interview a south Georgia farmer, he'll tell you that one mexican can outwork three "citizens"
its not that a mexican can out work a US citizen. its that the citizen will not work . i was with a guy in a moving van some time back we went to miss. tried to hire some people to help unload told them we would pay 8 bucks an hour. they told us no that it might mess up their welfare. so we did it our self and put the cash in our pocket

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Re: 2066 US citizens in Kansas denied food stamps
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2012, 11:51:38 AM »
Well, at least Heather has some inkling of what I have been trying to get across to y'all. The illegal immigrant PARENTS are responsible for the situation these kids are in.........let THEM take responsibility for fixing it! Let them go back to their own country and take their children with them.......or let them go back and leave their children here to be adopted by AMERICANS. Those are really the only ways they can make it right!

Hiding from the law while at the same time leaching from the legitimate taxpayers, to feed their kids, is not the right answer!
it was no accident that the kids were born here. they are bankrupting hospitals having babies here for free. then we pay for it. and they know the libs. will not send them back.

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Re: 2066 US citizens in Kansas denied food stamps
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2012, 02:01:04 PM »
You ever think for a minute John that if Liberals and RINO's didnt reward breaking the law those anchor babies that are suposedly US Citizens now, the way we pervert the 14th amendment (or which ever one it is since the constitutions no longer worth the paper its written on) that these "undocumented immigrants" aka illegal aliens, wouldnt have came here and had their children at tax payers expense and pass the buck on to the Tax Payers for raising and supporting them?  I mean at what point do you think the parents ought to accept a little bit of the responsibility for providing for the Children they brought into this world?

I didnt have children becuase I couldnt afford to raise them, that being said what makes you feel like  I should bear the financial burden to raise someone elses children?

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Re: 2066 US citizens in Kansas denied food stamps
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2012, 03:24:33 PM »
Hum, maybe Kansas is running out of other peoples money.


When did children ever get food stamps?
 
Oh, it was the parents that got them and not the children.
 
Okay then, how do illegals, who are not citizens, qualify for citizen's benefits which were originally stolen from other citizens by government force?


Who was responsible for that mess?
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Re: 2066 US citizens in Kansas denied food stamps
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2012, 04:37:47 PM »
When my children first came along, I could have qualified for assistance based on my income.  What I did was get more work, a second job, as well as moon lighting on the weekends.  Most people in my age group did it that way.  I've never asked the government for anything.  What little I have I earned by the "sweat of my brow".
 
While I don't mind all helping people who can't help themselves, I get might po'ed by those who WON'T.
 
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Re: 2066 US citizens in Kansas denied food stamps
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2012, 03:05:02 AM »
on the debate the other night, they were asked how much influence God should have in presidential decisions.  maybe God should be in our decisions about anchor babies.
the parents are breaking the law, but the babies are innocent.
should we rip a baby out of his/her mommas arms and hand it over to the state?
maybe we should be on our knees asking for divine guidance.
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Re: 2066 US citizens in Kansas denied food stamps
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2012, 04:30:54 AM »
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Okay then, how do illegals, who are not citizens, qualify for citizen's benefits which were originally stolen from other citizens by government force?


 
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