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Low End New 30-06's?
« on: January 28, 2012, 04:10:41 PM »
Hi All,
     Trying to think ahead on a .30-06. Have to go low end. Was looking for technical reasons that separate the usual suspects as all makes seem to have an entry.

So far I'm thinking either Stevens 200, because it's really a low end 110, or the Weatherby/Howa Vanguard. If I were to go Vanguard, might wait and get stainless, but not sure yet.

So what are everyone's thoughts on which among the Vanguard, Steven 200, Marlin X7, etc. etc. group is best and why?

Hoping to learn what some of the real differences are. For example, drawing from the milsurp world, the M98 has full control while Mosin is push feed. You know... real differences.

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2012, 12:32:45 AM »
I had one of the mossberg atrs. It was a heck of a good shooter. Not going to win any beauty contests but for 250 bucks i wouldnt expect it to. I ended up giving it to my buddys daughter and shes killed a pile of deer with it. Ive also got a couple savage 200s in 243 i bought for my grandsons and there real shooters too. biggest problems i see with those cheaper guns is there terrible triggers.
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2012, 02:18:40 AM »
I'd go with the Stevens 200. You can adjust the trigger on them. My son had a Howa and the trigger wouldn't adjust to a decent trigger pull. I don't know about the others.
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2012, 02:25:38 AM »
  I vote Stevens..or for a few more bucks, Savage with accutrigger..
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2012, 02:27:52 AM »
I suspect that going to a few shops and handling the available stock will tell you a lot about how they feel in your hands and how the triggers feel.

An often overlooked resource is used rifles.  Websites like Gunsamerica and Gunbroker have gazillions of them at reasonable prices and a lot of shops carry used or consignment guns.  You could spend an hour on the phone and shop a lot of used inventory.   Posting a few notes at local clubs and the gun shops that have bulletin boards can get some good results, too.

Are you committed to 30-06 or would you be somewhat flexible?  Considering a range of cartridges that can accomplish what you want opens a lot more avenues to you.

If you are a lefty used prices can be dramatically lower than new.  There are screaming values out there in LH bows and firearms.

While the opinions of others may be different I don't see the debate between push feed and controlled feed as much more than pole vaulting over a mouse turd.  Have you ever met anyone who had a cartridge pop out of the receiver of a push feed action while hunting? 

Me neither.  I'll worry about whether the rifle is push feed or controlled feed the next time I'm laying on my back shooting at charging dangerous game and moving the bolt very slowly but not before.

Good luck in the hunt.

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2012, 06:04:25 AM »
Don't overlook the Savage Axis. In my world they were lower in price then the Stevens 200
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2012, 12:44:57 PM »
If it were me I'd go with the Mossberg ATR, mainly because they are one of the few that still offer a sight package.  I'd probably put a scope on it for long range, but I prefer Irons for most hunting.  ;)
 
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2012, 07:07:47 PM »
If you can wait awhile, you might see if your local gunshop might be stocking the new Ruger American Rifle.
http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifle/models.html
From the looks of it, may surpass the Stevens as the "top cheap rifle made in America".  If it shoots, I think Ruger has a winner.  (I judge a rifle on the appearance of the groups it is capable of, not on how pretty it is)

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2012, 12:54:35 AM »
If your going to choose a low end rifle, then do some research and pick the one with the MOST aftermarket add-ons.  That leaves you with a stevens 200.  Everything is compatible with Savage 10 or 110 production and you can only improve on the basic concept as you go.  Better stock, Better Barrel, Better Trigger, New Bottom Metal ect. 
 
My better advice is to save your pennies for a bit longer and get a Remington 700 sps.  But if you HAVE to have a gun right now get the Stevens.
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2012, 01:39:12 AM »
I'll cast another vote for shopping pre-owned instead of settling for second-rate with a new "budget bolt action," and yet another for adopting a willingness to use a range of usable cartidges that cover the rifle's intended usage, rather than fixating on a favorite. 
 
Last November, I paid $400.00 out the door for a brand spankin' new c. Late 1948 Remington M-721 bolt action in .270 that I bought at a big gun show.  The rifle appears to have not been fired since proof testing.  It had the factory rust preservative in the bore and on the metal surfaces.  I would have rather had a .30-'06 but I went with the intent of buying a rifle that would handle everything from the occasional coyote shoot through elk hunting, and I think the .270 can deliver the goods across that range of use.
 
Functionally, I don't doubt that a new "budget bolt action" would do the job as well.  But it wouldn't give me the same secondary ownership benefits like satisfaction in use, pride of ownership, and likely wouldn't offer the same return on investment if I do get bored with it and decide to move on.
 
My rifle spent the last 64 years in the box it shipped in.  Yet the action is snot-slick.  The fit and finish are clearly superior to anything you'll see in a new "budget bolt action."  It has a purposeful, but elegant look about it.  Functionally, it has a real sporting taper 24" barrel with open sights fitted to it.  The walnut stock is uncheckered, but that makes keeping it looking good fairly easy.  Without checkering to deal with, steaming out any dents and dings with a wet towel and a hot iron is easy, as is lightly sanding any light scratches.  It feeds smoothly from the blind magazine and if I decide I can't live with a blind magazine, a "700 ADL to BDL Kit" will solve that issue, as the parts all work with a 721.  The trigger is crisp and 700 like, as it should be since its the original 700 trigger.  And it shoots with the same precision that people expect when they buy a 700.  I actually like this better than a 700 because it doesn't have the flattened, checkered bolt knob of the 700 but has a big, smooth, round, Springfield-like knob instead.
 
I think this rifle is much nicer looking than any new "budget bolt action" on the market.  It has old-school cool but modern precision.  And being in to old stuff, I appreciate that I am the only kid on the block or the firing line who has one, that you can't just stoll in to Dicks or Academy and walk out with one, and you don't always get the chance to own a brand new 64 year old ANYTHING, much less something that you can shoot and hunt with.
 
I run in to good deal on pre-owned rifles frequently.  So I know those deals are out there.  The same Internet that you use to post here lets everyone capitalize on them.  I still find them at shows, too.
 
Several years ago, I bought an as new Savage Model 10 Sierra off a pawnbroker dealer at a local gun show for an out the door price of $200.00.  This is a nice, more upscale model with a Kevlar stock rather than a Tupperware one, and if it had been in a more elk compatible caliber than .243, I might not have flipped it as I originally intended to do, because until I got my 721 mentioned above, it was the most accurate bolt action centerfire sporter I've owned.  But I did flip it for $400.00 to another buyer who, like me, knew what it was and knew that it wasn't the same rifle as the Walmart Model 10 "package gun."  That gun, like my 721, was far nicer in terms of quality than the current crop of new "budget bolt actions" are and it cost me a fraction of what they do.
 
So the deals are out there, but you have to arm yourself with two things that most who go for the new "budget bolt guns" don't arm themselves with:  knowledge and patience.
 
When I bought my 721,  there were some other rifles at that show that were in the running -a rebarreled Ruger M-77 MKII, a Savage M-110 with a checkered walnut stock, a nice sporterized Springfield, and a few others that I don't remember off hand.  All presented as new, but the 721 essentially was new in the box and being essentially a 700, if it didn't deliver the accuracy I hoped for for some reason, a little minor tweaking would likely be all that would be required to get it to do so.  Oh, and Robert Ruark, who suggest that we "Use Enough Gun" thought a 721 was enough gun for his plains game rifle on his African safaris, so if it was good enough for Bwana Bob, I figured it was good enough for me.
 
I don't see a Stevens 200 as having that kind of mojo, gravitas, panache, or desireability over the long haul.  But there are plenty of other cool old guns on the used market, besides Remington M-721's, that do.  And I can think of many that I'd rather have than anything new, without straining too hard.
 
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2012, 08:46:25 AM »
Have a couple of Stevens 200s, a Savage Edge/Axis, and one each of Marlin XL/XS rifles....I prefer the Marlin rifles over the 200 or Edge/Axis.  Might want to wait for Ruger's American rifle to become available and see how they are.  One of places in my area that sells guns, expects to have the American in a couple of weeks.  But, of the rifles you specifically mentioned, I'd go with a Howa/Vanguard.

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2012, 01:09:10 PM »
I would suggest the Marlin XL7 in blued/black synthetic (about $300). My brother has one in 06 which easily shoots sub 1" groups with Federal 150s. Nice trigger, stock has nice feel - light enough with good balance. Takes same scope bases as Win 70, so good availability. Made in USA.

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2012, 02:51:56 PM »
   JP's on to something there, those 721's are real shooters. I had one years ago and wish I still had it.
 
    We had one on the 800 Yd. range in 30-06 and it was outstanding, I couldn't believe it as it kept all rounds in the 10" torso area, save two in the head. Had Vortex optics on top and was very impressive for a low end Remington. As I remember, mine was very accurate also.
 
   
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2012, 05:58:21 PM »
I suspect that going to a few shops and handling the available stock will tell you a lot about how they feel in your hands and how the triggers feel.

Did that a while back at a Cabela's. Most of the low enders, save out the Rem. 770 were good enough for me. I'm really wondering about things like, which one has the better action and why? Are the barrels threaded or pinned? Etc. I.e, technically, what differentiates them?

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An often overlooked resource is used rifles.  Websites like Gunsamerica and Gunbroker have gazillions of them at reasonable prices and a lot of shops carry used or consignment guns.  You could spend an hour on the phone and shop a lot of used inventory.   Posting a few notes at local clubs and the gun shops that have bulletin boards can get some good results, too.

Agreed, shopping around for a higher quality used rifle has it's pluses. But pretty much decided I wanted new this time around.

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Are you committed to 30-06 or would you be somewhat flexible?  Considering a range of cartridges that can accomplish what you want opens a lot more avenues to you.

Pretty much settled on 30-06 as personal favorite and for logistical reasons. One of the drivers here is I purchased a Mosin at a very low point money-wise. But really wanted something in 30-06. Only thing that really bothers me about the Mosin (other than not being a Mauser or Springfield) is the caliber. Could even make the case that headspacing on the rim is a better way to go, but 30-06 is just pretty much the standard "middle of the road" rifle cartridge I'd think. (Guess some might argue 30-30.)

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If you are a lefty used prices can be dramatically lower than new.  There are screaming values out there in LH bows and firearms.

No, a rightly here, but with many things I can go either way. Used to practice handguns... either hand, either eye... and opposite eye. So I could concieveably make it work. Rationale was, no matter the injury, have to be able to make a valid shot.

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While the opinions of others may be different I don't see the debate between push feed and controlled feed as much more than pole vaulting over a mouse turd.  Have you ever met anyone who had a cartridge pop out of the receiver of a push feed action while hunting? 

Me neither.  I'll worry about whether the rifle is push feed or controlled feed the next time I'm laying on my back shooting at charging dangerous game and moving the bolt very slowly but not before.

Well, yes, it may be an academic debate, but why not go with controlled if you can have it. Example. I posed the question about sear spring breakage elsewhere vrs. Mauser. Got panned for that for the most part... "Ah they didn't make 37 million like that and not change it if it was a problem..." But I do find cases of them breaking out there. It *is* a leaf spring. Cap and ball revolvers made that weakness really glaring to me... I want Ruger level reliabity when I can get it. (Guess that means I should by an M77, LOL!)

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Thanks much, just trying to zero in on what I'm trying to get. Where I able to do as decades ago and just do what I want... I'd actually probably just go for a new Springfield M1 or possibly an M1A in one of the shorter variants, LOL! But really just want one solid modern style .30-06. Would like irons sights along with scope tapping... but seems to be unusual these days. Liked the old Rem. 760 alot too.

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2012, 06:07:29 PM »


I'll cast another vote for shopping pre-owned instead of settling for second-rate with a new "budget bolt action," and yet another for adopting a willingness to use a range of usable cartidges that cover the rifle's intended usage, rather than fixating on a favorite. 
 
Last November, I paid $400.00 out the door for a brand spankin' new c. Late 1948 Remington M-721 bolt action in .270 that I bought at a big gun show.  The rifle appears to have not been fired since proof testing.  It had the factory rust preservative in the bore and on the metal surfaces.  I would have rather had a .30-'06 but I went with the intent of buying a rifle that would handle everything from the occasional coyote shoot through elk hunting, and I think the .270 can deliver the goods across that range of use.
 
Functionally, I don't doubt that a new "budget bolt action" would do the job as well.  But it wouldn't give me the same secondary ownership benefits like satisfaction in use, pride of ownership, and likely wouldn't offer the same return on investment if I do get bored with it and decide to move on.
 
My rifle spent the last 64 years in the box it shipped in.  Yet the action is snot-slick.  The fit and finish are clearly superior to anything you'll see in a new "budget bolt action."  It has a purposeful, but elegant look about it.  Functionally, it has a real sporting taper 24" barrel with open sights fitted to it.  The walnut stock is uncheckered, but that makes keeping it looking good fairly easy.  Without checkering to deal with, steaming out any dents and dings with a wet towel and a hot iron is easy, as is lightly sanding any light scratches.  It feeds smoothly from the blind magazine and if I decide I can't live with a blind magazine, a "700 ADL to BDL Kit" will solve that issue, as the parts all work with a 721.  The trigger is crisp and 700 like, as it should be since its the original 700 trigger.  And it shoots with the same precision that people expect when they buy a 700.  I actually like this better than a 700 because it doesn't have the flattened, checkered bolt knob of the 700 but has a big, smooth, round, Springfield-like knob instead.
 
I think this rifle is much nicer looking than any new "budget bolt action" on the market.  It has old-school cool but modern precision.  And being in to old stuff, I appreciate that I am the only kid on the block or the firing line who has one, that you can't just stoll in to Dicks or Academy and walk out with one, and you don't always get the chance to own a brand new 64 year old ANYTHING, much less something that you can shoot and hunt with.
 
I run in to good deal on pre-owned rifles frequently.  So I know those deals are out there.  The same Internet that you use to post here lets everyone capitalize on them.  I still find them at shows, too.
 
Several years ago, I bought an as new Savage Model 10 Sierra off a pawnbroker dealer at a local gun show for an out the door price of $200.00.  This is a nice, more upscale model with a Kevlar stock rather than a Tupperware one, and if it had been in a more elk compatible caliber than .243, I might not have flipped it as I originally intended to do, because until I got my 721 mentioned above, it was the most accurate bolt action centerfire sporter I've owned.  But I did flip it for $400.00 to another buyer who, like me, knew what it was and knew that it wasn't the same rifle as the Walmart Model 10 "package gun."  That gun, like my 721, was far nicer in terms of quality than the current crop of new "budget bolt actions" are and it cost me a fraction of what they do.
 
So the deals are out there, but you have to arm yourself with two things that most who go for the new "budget bolt guns" don't arm themselves with:  knowledge and patience.
 
When I bought my 721,  there were some other rifles at that show that were in the running -a rebarreled Ruger M-77 MKII, a Savage M-110 with a checkered walnut stock, a nice sporterized Springfield, and a few others that I don't remember off hand.  All presented as new, but the 721 essentially was new in the box and being essentially a 700, if it didn't deliver the accuracy I hoped for for some reason, a little minor tweaking would likely be all that would be required to get it to do so.  Oh, and Robert Ruark, who suggest that we "Use Enough Gun" thought a 721 was enough gun for his plains game rifle on his African safaris, so if it was good enough for Bwana Bob, I figured it was good enough for me.
 
I don't see a Stevens 200 as having that kind of mojo, gravitas, panache, or desireability over the long haul.  But there are plenty of other cool old guns on the used market, besides Remington M-721's, that do.  And I can think of many that I'd rather have than anything new, without straining too hard.
 
JP

I hear what you are saying. Have owned a number of classics in the past. Seems like guns were made with more care in the past in some ways. In others I'd say it's gotten better. But yes, when I compare say my New Model Super Blackhawk even in stainless to an early 3 screw with rebated cylinder... no comparision. That old high polish blue job and glasslike metal are earmarks of a different era of thinking in gun making.

Everything now leans toward the tactical, dull finish, way of thinking. Not neccesarily bad things, but less mojo for sure, LOL!

There are quite a few firearms, that if I could pull one out of a time machine, I'd rather have. But I never seem to have the luck to find that box from way back that was never opened. Just not my karma I guess. I seem to end up with the new in box one with some minor defect rather often. Example. recently bought a SBH. Bought it thinking I was going to have to live in my car... so I wasn't too picky, but did reject one with bad tooling marks still on it (unusual for a Ruger)... but this one on close inspection had poorly done grip panels and some finish damage.

Cars, hoimes, and electric guitars, seem to be three things I really like... and you can never seem to get a truly untouched new in box example... and they are expensive... yet I can get a damned *perfect* stupid chinese CD player at Walmart.

Baffles the crud out of me.

The other thing that seems to boggle my mind is why the guy that could care less ends up with the perfect one and bangs it all up, LOL!

Randomness sure is an f'er, LOL!

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2012, 06:12:16 PM »
If your going to choose a low end rifle, then do some research and pick the one with the MOST aftermarket add-ons.  That leaves you with a stevens 200.  Everything is compatible with Savage 10 or 110 production and you can only improve on the basic concept as you go.  Better stock, Better Barrel, Better Trigger, New Bottom Metal ect. 
 
My better advice is to save your pennies for a bit longer and get a Remington 700 sps.  But if you HAVE to have a gun right now get the Stevens.

No rush. I agree, might want to wait a bit. Really want something in stainless.

I am surprised no one is defending the Weatherby Vanguard. Since there's a stainless one, thought that might be a good way to go. Though yes, in handling them, at a Cabelas a few month ago, just tripped over a Stevens 200 and compared it to the 770. No contest. Stevens won. I wasn't surprised. First rifle as a kid was a gift from a family friend... Steven Crackshot... it's still going. Family member still has it. Would like another for myself again someday, along with a Winchester 62 eventually.

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2012, 08:01:58 AM »
I wouldn't put the Vanguard in the low end category.  They are more midrange like the Tikka or the budget line of Remington 700s you can find at Wally World.  Of the true budget rifles the only one I would shy away from is the Remington 770.  The rest are OK.  I think the Stevens 200 is the best of the lot because it can be restocked, rebarrelled and retriggered with relative ease.  In fact I look at the Stevens 200 as a really good place to start if you want to create your own "custom" hunting rifle.   Of course the classic upgrade rifle is the Remington 700 but used ones seem to be hard to find these days.  They are being snapped up  to build "tactical" rifles. 

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2012, 08:13:07 AM »
I'd buy a scoped Model 700 Remington at Walmart and sell the scope on eBay.  That way you have a quality product for the same price as the low end rifles mentioned.
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2012, 04:10:48 PM »
Didn't realize there were any low end 700's. Guess that does make sense as a good way to go. The 200 I find appealing too, especially if there's say a reasonably Boyd stock or the like for it.

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2012, 05:25:47 PM »
Don't overlook a Rem 700 at WalMarts website.  You can order a 700 to be delivered at a local WalMart.  I bought a 30-06 Rem ADL about two years ago very cheap and sold it to a friend the same weekend.  Wish I had it back.  Rem had a rebate at that time also, so check out their deals.

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2012, 05:39:18 PM »
I picked up a used Savage model 45 in .30-06 for about $250 on my C&R.  It was the model they made before WWII I believe.  It is a tack driver.  It has a receiver sight that when I shot it at 50 yards with 150 gr put all three bullets in a nice tight cloverleaf.  So I put a new recoil pad to replace the steel one.  And mounted a scope.  Trigger is nice and crisp...no creep.

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2012, 11:23:09 PM »
Didn't realize there were any low end 700's. Guess that does make sense as a good way to go. The 200 I find appealing too, especially if there's say a reasonably Boyd stock or the like for it.

 
The SPS series of 700's are the way to go.  same principle as a budget rifle, crappy trigger, crappy stock, crappy scope. 

Sell the scope
Sell the stock
Sell the trigger
 
You should come close to having the barrelled action paid for.  Then buy a nice Bell and Carlson stock and a really nice aftermarket trigger and you have a great gun for the price of a low end stevens or ruger.  There is a smart way to get what you want.  It just takes a little extra work and patience.
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2012, 11:48:37 PM »
Don't overlook a Rem 700 at WalMarts website.  You can order a 700 to be delivered at a local WalMart.  I bought a 30-06 Rem ADL about two years ago very cheap and sold it to a friend the same weekend.  Wish I had it back.  Rem had a rebate at that time also, so check out their deals.

Mine shot 1/2 MOA right out of the box.
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2012, 01:43:49 AM »
How much will you really get for a crappy stock, trigger and scope anyway? Who would buy such things? By the time you buy a decent stock and trigger, you might as well just buy a Tikka T3 and save yourself the hassle. Guaranteed 1MOA out of box. Period.

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2012, 02:44:52 AM »
I sell stuff like that on ebay all the time and I expect you could get $200.00.  The crappy stock and trigger on the Tikka T3 is going to be a lot more expensive to replace.  I don't like major fire control parts that are made out of plastc.
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2012, 04:28:41 AM »
How much will you really get for a crappy stock, trigger and scope anyway? Who would buy such things? By the time you buy a decent stock and trigger, you might as well just buy a Tikka T3 and save yourself the hassle. Guaranteed 1MOA out of box. Period.

The Tikka is a good rifle but really lacks the aftermarket support of a Remington 700.  (Budget build remember)
 
Items like the takeoffs from a Remington 700 sell well on either ebay or forum classifieds.  You might have to have some patience but if you play your cards right you can really knock the price down on a custom build by doing this.
 
A Tikka is an acceptable choice in a hunting rifle.  But if you ever decide to customize one your up the creek so to speak. 
 
My basic point is that just because your on a budget doesn't mean you have to settle for an inferior rifle.
 
 
 
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2012, 01:13:46 PM »
I try to do my homework and handle rifles before I make a purchase. What might feel great to one may not feel right to others. So the best advice is to handle as many examples in your price range as you can. The more it suits you, the less you will have to change. My brother's XL7 trigger was nice and crisp at a bit over 3 pounds and the stock felt great. It does appear that Marlin borrowed or bought rights from Savage for the trigger design - very similar. No need to change a thing. Of course he wanted the camo so that cost $40 more.
The Tikka trigger assembly has no plastic parts, although the trigger guard is. The trigger was set at 3# from the factory and hasn't been touched - no need. The stock is walnut and I can't forsee the need to replace anything on the gun, except the crappy (yes, I admit it) factory rings. I've had it nearly seven years.
At a little more than half the cost of the T3, the Marlin is an astounding value. Are they made in Ilion now like H&R?

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2012, 01:21:07 PM »
I wouldn't buy a new Marlin boltgun, try to find one that was made prior to the Remington take-over.
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2012, 03:38:48 PM »
... I don't like major fire control parts that are made out of plastc....

Now there's a sentiment I agree with.

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2012, 03:40:21 PM »
I wouldn't buy a new Marlin boltgun, try to find one that was made prior to the Remington take-over.

How have they changed? Would really like to know what the mechanical differences is in all these.