Author Topic: Low End New 30-06's? (Read 10067 times)

Swampman · « **Reply #30 on:** February 02, 2012, 03:42:12 PM »

The new Marlins are very rough. Ask the guys on Marlin Owners.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #31 on:** February 02, 2012, 11:51:18 PM »

As somebody that has owned and handled most brands of budget rifles I can honestly say I can never reccomend any of them. Seriously, save your pennies and buy a better gun. You will be happier in the long run.

usherj · « **Reply #32 on:** February 03, 2012, 01:51:38 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 02, 2012, 01:21:07 PM

I wouldn't buy a new Marlin boltgun, try to find one that was made prior to the Remington take-over.

Who are you and what have you done with the real Swampman??

Swampman · « **Reply #33 on:** February 03, 2012, 02:04:45 AM »

When they moved Marlin, they hired a bunch of $10.00 and hour employees in NY. They will learn how to do the job, but they aren't there yet. Marlin should produce leverguns. That's what they are good at.

spitpatch · « **Reply #34 on:** February 03, 2012, 04:27:16 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 02, 2012, 03:42:12 PM

The new Marlins are very rough. Ask the guys on Marlin Owners.

I handled one last week, was not impressed at all.....would not own one.

mspaci · « **Reply #35 on:** February 04, 2012, 02:21:20 AM »

are the Marlins now made in Illion? Mike

Capt Rick Hiott · « **Reply #36 on:** February 04, 2012, 03:29:15 AM »

I bought a Marlin XL7 30-06 about 5 months ago. I found nothing wrong with the gun.
After I set the scope (100yds) four of my last shots were touching.....It also has a very nice trigger right out the box!

Harry Snippe · « **Reply #37 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:00:35 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 02, 2012, 01:21:07 PM

I wouldn't buy a new Marlin boltgun, try to find one that was made prior to the Remington take-over.

Now the Remington Gods are going to be angry .

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #38 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:06:27 AM »

Quote from: Capt Rick Hiott on February 04, 2012, 03:29:15 AM

I bought a Marlin XL7 30-06 about 5 months ago. I found nothing wrong with the gun.
After I set the scope (100yds) four of my last shots were touching.....It also has a very nice trigger right out the box!

So your Marlin xl7 shoots as good a group at 100 yards as my Remington 700 shoots at 300... Congratulations.

Capt Rick Hiott · « **Reply #39 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:24:46 AM »

Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha.........................

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #40 on:** February 06, 2012, 03:36:56 AM »

From your photo its clear to tell that you have 3 maybe 4 rounds that measure roughly one inch with the 5th shot making the group about 1.5 (thats a very generous estimation btw. It looks more like a 2-2.5" 5 shot group and there is little indication that two bullets struck the same hole.)

My 700 will shoot around 1.5" groups at 300 yards consistently. ill even dig up the photo for you...

Swampman · « **Reply #41 on:** February 06, 2012, 05:29:42 AM »

Quote from: mspaci on February 04, 2012, 02:21:20 AM

are the Marlins now made in Illion? Mike

Some are also made in Kentucky, and if anyone bought a good one it was made prior to the move.

Capt Rick Hiott · « **Reply #42 on:** February 06, 2012, 03:47:23 PM »

If you want to bash my post about the Marlin I have ,,,,,,,have fun,,I could care less.

I posted the truth...................... ....................

usherj · « **Reply #43 on:** February 06, 2012, 03:48:59 PM »

Capt-
I see four holes in the group directly above the orange center. Two are stacked on the right side. If that group was fired after you made what appears to be windage adjustments on the right and left, you have a nice 3/4" group if they are 1" pasters, or about a half inch group if 3/4" pasters. Groups are measured center to center, or from outside to outside and then subtracting bullet diameter. I would say that is pretty darn good for a "low end" rifle!

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #44 on:** February 07, 2012, 01:08:35 AM »

Quote from: usherj on February 06, 2012, 03:48:59 PM

Capt-
I see four holes in the group directly above the orange center. Two are stacked on the right side. If that group was fired after you made what appears to be windage adjustments on the right and left, you have a nice 3/4" group if they are 1" pasters, or about a half inch group if 3/4" pasters. Groups are measured center to center, or from outside to outside and then subtracting bullet diameter. I would say that is pretty darn good for a "low end" rifle!

Count all 5 if your going to measure a 5 group please... Or just shoot a 3 round group. When you add in the 5th shot on either side of the "4 round group" it definately increases the spread.

Quote

If you want to bash my post about the Marlin I have ,,,,,,,have fun,,I could care less.

I posted the truth...................... ....................

No bashing. If you enjoy owning a sub 600.00 setup that you claim shoots 1 moa then tickle yourself fancy. I'm just saying that another month or two of saving your money will reap the benefits of a better quality, more accurate rifle that has an almost endless supply of aftermarket upgrades. It's hard to tune a rifle for accuracy with zero upgrades available.

usherj · « **Reply #45 on:** February 07, 2012, 01:56:00 AM »

Don't understand your logic. If we can't help our original poster, we should say nothing. He wants to know the best value for around $300. Period. You want to pay $600 and then have the need to spend more? If you are talking about Rem, they have the aftermarket supply chain because they need it

Is it so difficult to imagine buying a rifle that you don't have to mess with out of the box? I went that route and found out their accuracy std (not published) is 3" at 100y - not so legendary. It only takes one bad experience for me to shop elsewhere. So I traded it off and bought a Tikka, which they stand behind.

Capt Rick Hiott · « **Reply #46 on:** February 07, 2012, 02:18:17 AM »

Sam,,,,just so you know whats going on ,,,,here is the original post....You might wanna read it again.

"Hi All,
Trying to think ahead on a .30-06. Have to go low end. Was looking for technical reasons that separate the usual suspects as all makes seem to have an entry.

So far I'm thinking either Stevens 200, because it's really a low end 110, or the Weatherby/Howa Vanguard. If I were to go Vanguard, might wait and get stainless, but not sure yet.

So what are everyone's thoughts on which among the Vanguard, Steven 200, Marlin X7, etc. etc. group is best and why?"

Swampman · « **Reply #47 on:** February 07, 2012, 02:18:26 AM »

If you can't shoot MOA or better with a Remington Model 700 right out of the box with factory ammo, you should consider another hobby.

Swampman · « **Reply #48 on:** February 07, 2012, 02:20:35 AM »

Quote from: Capt Rick Hiott on February 07, 2012, 02:18:17 AM

So what are everyone's thoughts on which among the Vanguard, Steven 200, Marlin X7, etc. etc. group is best and why?"

Of the one's on that list I'd try to find an older Marlin X7 because it's a quality product.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #49 on:** February 07, 2012, 02:21:58 AM »

Quote from: usherj on February 07, 2012, 01:56:00 AM

Don't understand your logic. If we can't help our original poster, we should say nothing. He wants to know the best value for around $300. Period. You want to pay $600 and then have the need to spend more? If you are talking about Rem, they have the aftermarket supply chain because they need it Is it so difficult to imagine buying a rifle that you don't have to mess with out of the box? I went that route and found out their accuracy std (not published) is 3" at 100y - not so legendary. It only takes one bad experience for me to shop elsewhere. So I traded it off and bought a Tikka, which they stand behind.

The best help is to encourage the OP to save his money and buy something he will be happier with in the long run. Besides I've already posted that his best choice was an Remington 700 sps. Second choice for me would be a Stevens 200 due to a decent aftermarket supply of Savage 110/10 parts.

I also find it funny that anyone gets one bad rifle then starts chain bashing a company for producing non-quality production before ever attempting to find out WHY it was wrong. Most of the time it's a simple fix or a factory defect. If it's a factory defect then by golly send it back to be fixed. For the most part Remington 700s have a legendary reputation because they shoot sub moa out of the box with QUALITY ammo.

Which brings me to my next point. If you can't afford to feed a rifle that you expect accuracy from, quality ammo, then don't buy one. It kills me to hear guys who give a negative report to any rifle because they were shooting WOLF or Brown Bear ammo out of it and expecting it to deliver.

Capt Rick Hiott · « **Reply #50 on:** February 07, 2012, 02:48:12 AM »

Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha......................

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #51 on:** February 07, 2012, 03:35:04 AM »

Quote from: Capt Rick Hiott on February 07, 2012, 02:48:12 AM

Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha......................

Such a grand contribution from somebody that wants to keep the thread on topic...

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #52 on:** February 07, 2012, 04:48:39 AM »

Here's one reason why I can recommend you buy a Stevens 200...

http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19307

If you come into some money down the road then you can build a really nice custom rig off the action. If you decide you don't like it you can still sell it down the road to somebody looking for a donor action for a Savage build. That's the only rifle out of the 3 the OP listed that I can recommend. It's the only one of the 3 listed that will ever have any resale value.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #53 on:** February 07, 2012, 05:20:09 AM »

Quote from: flmason on January 28, 2012, 04:10:41 PM

Hi All,
Trying to think ahead on a .30-06. Have to go low end. Was looking for technical reasons that separate the usual suspects as all makes seem to have an entry.

So far I'm thinking either Stevens 200, because it's really a low end 110, or the Weatherby/Howa Vanguard. If I were to go Vanguard, might wait and get stainless, but not sure yet.

So what are everyone's thoughts on which among the Vanguard, Steven 200, Marlin X7, etc. etc. group is best and why?

Hoping to learn what some of the real differences are. For example, drawing from the milsurp world, the M98 has full control while Mosin is push feed. You know... real differences.

Remington 700 ADL , around $400.00 at Wal mart sometimes less on sale. There are any number of add ons if wanted . It can be up graded to a BDL type stock. Its a bargin price that is really a bargin.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #54 on:** February 07, 2012, 05:23:24 AM »

I would add look at the 308 , 100 fps less than 30-06 but lots of ammo choices other than 220 gr loads . Some say short action is more accurate.

usherj · « **Reply #55 on:** February 07, 2012, 12:16:18 PM »

I personally brought the 700 ADL back to Ilion and that's how I learned of their test standard - 3". They told me that when they called me to pick it up. I tried a variety of ammo including Federal Gold Medal Match. I guess I was just unlucky, but I can't afford to gamble on a purchase like that. Many people have had great luck with them, I just expected them to stanf behind their product in terms of accuracy. With 2 T3s (6.5x55 and 338WM) I have had sub MOA groups no problem.
Back to the original poster. The Marlin X series has a lot of attractive features: decent accu-trigger design, nicely profiled stock with a superb hand grip feel, barrel nut ala Savage, floating bolt head which minimizes issues from less than true action threads and bolt face, nice recoil pad, and pillar bedding. One negative is that the receiver to stock fit is loosy goosey (like a remington). Even though pillar bedded, I glassed the receiver ring and recoil lug for better resistance to the bolt torgue when opening. And the bolt feel is not silky smooth. But the tool works very well. Alot of value for the $.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #56 on:** February 08, 2012, 12:22:59 AM »

Usher I'm confused by a couple of your statements. For one, you are discouraging buying a Remington 700 yet you can encourage the OP to buy another rifle that is made by the same company?

Also, you can find the resources and time to glass bed a sloppy action to stock fit for a Marlin but can't find the time to lap the barrel and glass bed the stock on the Remington to try and fix the 3" accuracy issue?

That's a bit hypocritical sir...

usherj · « **Reply #57 on:** February 08, 2012, 01:56:41 AM »

The goal was to guide him to a rifle in his price range, and the Marlin is therefore a better value. As Swampman said, the earlier versions may be better, like the one my brother has.
After the trip back from Ilion I did have it bedded with no improvement. If a barrel needs lapping, I would avoid that barrel altogether.
It would seem unreasonable on my part to expect you to grasp logical concepts.

Swampman · « **Reply #58 on:** February 08, 2012, 02:25:01 AM »

There is no accuracy issue with a Remington.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #59 on:** February 08, 2012, 02:59:09 AM »

Quote from: usherj on February 08, 2012, 01:56:41 AM

The goal was to guide him to a rifle in his price range, and the Marlin is therefore a better value. As Swampman said, the earlier versions may be better, like the one my brother has.
After the trip back from Ilion I did have it bedded with no improvement. If a barrel needs lapping, I would avoid that barrel altogether.
It would seem unreasonable on my part to expect you to grasp logical concepts.

Geez... "The Fudd is strong in this one."

Did you seriously just accuse me of being unable to grasp the logical concept of diagnosing accuracy issues in firearms? Or did you accuse me of calling you out for not taking appropriate steps to try and resolve simple accuracy issues? (Pssst... It's extremely inexpensive to hand polish a bore good sir...)

Also the goal is to provide him with the best rifle for his price range "at the moment." To suggest the Marlin is the best choice in the long run is a false statment. There is ZERO aftermarket upgrades for that gun or the Ruger American rifle. There is on the other hand a nice little niche carved out for the Savage 110 or 10 action which is why I suggested the OP go with the Stevens 200.