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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #120 on: February 12, 2012, 08:06:41 AM »
Errrr this is about hunting rifles.....Jeff Cooper had some good ideas....he was wrong a lot too.
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #121 on: February 12, 2012, 11:13:33 AM »
 
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I've read, but don't know from experience, been mostly an iron sights guy all my life, that 4x fixed power scopes used to be the "standard" recommendation. Not sure when 3-9x40 became the "standard" recommendation.

I know the one scope I have, on a Traditions Yukon of all things, it came with 4x.

 
Fixed 4 power was the standard for hunting scopes for many years and still would work for most situations. 
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #122 on: February 12, 2012, 12:29:26 PM »
The 3-9X40 will do everything the fixed 4 will do and then some.
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #123 on: February 13, 2012, 01:45:46 AM »
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #124 on: February 13, 2012, 01:51:43 AM »
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #125 on: February 13, 2012, 05:07:12 AM »
The 3-9X40 will do everything the fixed 4 will do and then some.
Set on three power most scopes are really 2.75 X not 3 . but even on 3X the field of view is better. On 6-9X you will be able to see a rack not seen on 4X . you can also pick out a deer in timber .
In reality a fixed power isn't in the same league .
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #126 on: February 13, 2012, 06:55:38 AM »
First of all...Please don't buy a Remington 770.  They are junk. 
 
Secondly, concerning glass for your rifle.  Anytime you run across a fixed power scope it's going to be more reliable and have much clearer glass that other variable power scopes in the same price range.  Less moving parts means less to go wrong.  Fewer lenses mean a clearer view through the sight.
 
In my personal experience I have dealt with more frustration in trying to sight in scopes with poor tracking mechanisms.  If your on a budget it's hard to buy a new rifle, cheap scope and a couple of boxes of shells and then waste 3/4 of your ammo trying to get the rifle to zero because of bad tracking.
 
Also if you shoot mostly iron sights then the Remington 700 ADL is your only real option because of the included iron sights.
 
Most budget rifles do not come with sights.
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #127 on: February 13, 2012, 12:10:41 PM »
First of all...Please don't buy a Remington 770.  They are junk.

+1 agreed.  My little bro bought one and I'm really not too impressed.  8(
 
Mossberg's ATR is available with sights for under $324 here:
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and their 4x4 is available in a laminated wood version for $529 here:
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #128 on: February 13, 2012, 07:35:23 PM »
Yes, I've already ruled the 770 out. After handling one right after a Model 70 and a few 700's... the Stevens 200 seemed better than the 770.

Actually it was the 200 that got me into this idea. But will definitely be doing more comparision shopping.

On the scopes, for me a 4x is like a luxury. I can see both arguments, the variable is more versatile, the fixed more durable.

The lack of fixed sights on this type of rifle has always baffled me. At the very least you want them as a backup, at least to my way of thinking.

I'll have to admit, I subscribe to the idea that the glass might should be a notch better than the gun. Leupold strikes me as a good way to go. But if I were convinced something lesser was durable enough, why not? Family used to bash Bushnell mercilessly when I was a kid, but no idea if the bashing was warranted. Having never actually used a scope to hunt, have never actually learned how to tell a good one from a bad one. Silly as it sounds, my preference has long been for a partridge sight that looks about like what's on a Ruger Super Blackhawk. But that goes back to the fact that I've rarely lived where a 100+ yrd. shot was a reality too.

For whatever reasons peep sights and I don't go together if the experience I had with the M1 I once had is any indication. Without some truly definite index like a partridge or similar provides... I can't tell where I'm at.  Granted, for snap shooting it was the nines. But for precision, didn't work for me. Knew one gent who actually filed half his peep off to make a U on his Garand.... could not make myself do that, LOL! But if I'd have had a spare aperature... most definitely!

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #129 on: February 13, 2012, 07:40:18 PM »
First of all...Please don't buy a Remington 770.  They are junk.

+1 agreed.  My little bro bought one and I'm really not too impressed.  8(
 
Mossberg's ATR is available with sights for under $324 here:
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=26153&mfg=Mossberg&mdl=ATR&cat=2&type=Rifle&cal=30-06&fin=&sit=&zipcode=48858
and their 4x4 is available in a laminated wood version for $529 here:
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=26460&mfg=Mossberg&mdl=4X4&cat=2&type=Rifle&cal=30-06&fin=&sit=&zipcode=48858

Been a couple of months since I was in the shop, but I do seem to recall finding an ATR or two on the used rack. They seemed pretty good to me. One thing is for sure, definitely want a 30-06 before it's over my favorite 30 cal cartridge for sure. Granted, higher perf, rounds been out there for a long time, but more than good enough for the roles a .30 is put to in most cases. 

Is it just me, or does the wood stocked version look strange or like it's two piece?

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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2012, 12:13:02 AM »
I have an unfounded dislike for the Mossberg ATR.  I'm not really sure why as I've never really handled one.  If your an iron sights guy then that might be the route to go.  I would also opt for a wood stock if availale on any budget rifle because the wood is a more solid base than the tupperware stocks that come with them.
 
As far as scopes go, if your on a budget i would reccomend Bushnell.  I have 2 of their Mid Grade scopes and they are both adequate.  Not what I want in the long run but for now I have no issues with them.
 
Someday a nightforce will be on my 700 but for the meantime it's a Bushnell Elite.  :)
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #132 on: February 20, 2012, 02:58:07 PM »
Anytime you run across a fixed power scope it's going to be more reliable and have much clearer glass that other variable power scopes in the same price range.

This is completely untrue.  It might have been in the 1950s.
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Re: Low End New 30-06's?
« Reply #133 on: February 21, 2012, 12:48:00 AM »
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This is completely untrue.  It might have been in the 1950s.

Feel free to prove me wrong.  I don't think you can but i'd like to see the facts that make my argument invalid.
 
It's been my experience and proven fact that when a mechanical device has less parts (especially less moving parts) it is generally more reliable than something that has more parts and more moving parts.
 
With a fixed power scope you are removing not only the mechanical ability to adjust magnification but also lenses.  Less lenses mean a clearer optics translation and less moving parts mean less to go wrong in a machine.
 
Now I will admit there is a certain Cost vs. Quality axis that will eventually be crossed and render my arguement irrelevant.  But since cost is a determining factor in this argument well go ahead and say go with an inexpensive fixed power optic because he cannot afford a NightForce or S&B at the moment.
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