Why do you support mainstream GOP candidates?

[ironglow]

SSS, I think what your are seeing is the reasoning of people who think they want to beat Obama, but don't really care if the end result is any different than Obama. It's kind of hard to justify ones reasoning under those conditions.

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  Since the thread is already broken, I will contribute more..hoping to offer some understanding.
  First off; if RP is the nominee I will vote for him.  I honestly don't think he can beat Obama, but if he gets the nod..I sure hope he does.
   Taking the above statement and saying the other 3 candidates are just like Obama is myopic in the extreme.  Let's look at some of the differences:
 
1) Neither Mitt, Newt or Santorum have sat under Rev Wright and his hate filled rhetoric for 20 years.  Anybody who will swallow hate America, hate whitey and hate the prosperous for two full decades has to (IMO) habor the same hate themselves..or they would have left the first day !
   Don't forget, Wright's "Christian" church set aside a full day to honor Louis Farrakhan..the foremost Muslim recruiter and hate America specialist this side of the Atlantic.
 
2) Newt and Santorum are pro 2nd amendment and pro-life..
 
3) Concerning pro-life, Santorum has put his life where his words are. 
 
4) They are pro-family
 
5) Newt & Santorum are both for breaking up the education/unions complex.
 
6) Newt has vowed that the first day he takes office, Obama's 32 "czars" would be out of a job.  Santorum has promised similar.
 
7) Both have indicated that such over-regulating bodies as the EPA and the Dept of Energy would be populated by much more sensible, and reasonable people.
 
  None of the three are socialist/Marxist
 
 There are myriad other differences between all 4 candidates and Obama, but these few are incontravertable..just for starters.
 
 

[Cuts Crooked]

) Newt and Santorum are pro 2nd amendment and pro-life..

Sorry, look at Newts record, he is NOT pro Second!

They are pro-family

Uh huh! How MANY families? (this is not a jab at Romney by the way  )

7) Both have indicated that such over-regulating bodies as the EPA and the Dept of Energy would be populated by much more sensible, and reasonable people.

Heard campaign promises before, and we'll hear them again........truth is, it won't happen. Instead of elimination of those depts they'll just staff them with a bunch of "reasonable/sensible" people with a different agenda.

None of the three are socialist/marxists

I'm surprized you make this claim.......at least two of them are indestinguishable from the current occupant of the white house.

[Ranch13]

So the question becomes, which mainstream candidate are Cuts Crooked and NW Hunter supporting? both have posted in this thread yet neither have offered their own choice of "mainstream" candidates...

[Cuts Crooked]

Easy answer Ranch, None!

Unfortunately, I actually have a priniciple or two. Too bad more of America's voters don't! They will sell their vote for a "win" even though it will be meaningless and it won't beat the current occupant of the white house anyway.

[Gary G]

Santorum voted for:
Amend 3220 Gun lock requirement
Res 47 debt limit increase
Internet Access tax bill
HR 1- No Child Left Behind
protection of abortion clinics
doubling the size of the dept. of education
expanding medicare


Here is newt: (too many to list)
http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2012/01/unconservative-gingrich-record.html


So I would chose Nut for my mainstream candidate and get it over with quicker, then we could start anew from scratch.

[dukkillr]

It is fascinating to me that so many people see presidents, and politics in general, as a series of 4 year movements.  Perhaps because I'm in my mid-30s and plan to live through at least 10 more terms, I look longer than just what is going to happen in the next four years. 
 
With a Republican congress to mute the effect, I'd happily take 4 more years of Obama if it means a substantial, decades long transition in the Republican party.  If a significant part of the base demands actual limited government and fiscal conservative values, it will happen.  But if those voters just vote for the guy with an R next to his name it never will. 
 
If you're over 65 perhaps I can see that one should only look at the next 4 years.  If you're secretly pursuing a theocratic agenda (and lets face it, most of the "party line" guys around here are) I can see what you're doing.  But if you're youngish, thoughtful, and support individual freedom and the accompanying responsibility, I've got no idea why you would vote with such a narrow vision.
 
I've always voted for every position, in every election, with the same question in mind: What choice before me will make the government of my kids' era smaller and less intrusive than the one today?

[Swampman]

The Republican party will pretty much cease to exist in the next decade or 2.  Responsible working people will only have a child or two.  Liberal voters have 10-12 kids all living on welfare and voting to continue living on welfare.  The Republican party will only get more liberal until it's gone.  If you think otherwise, you don't spend enough time with mainstream American.

[Cuts Crooked]

You are beginning to understand Swamp!

A basic difference between true "conservatives" and the socialistdeomlibs is that true conservatives have no desire to have control over their fellow man. The other group however thinks quite differently and will fight tooth and nail to gain control. This is really basic crap. The lack of desire for control means less desire to engage in politics in the first place. So the socialistdemolibs have the upper hand from the outset Once they learned the tactic of incrementalism they started winning.........and will continue to do so unless the conservatives realize that things like voting for  "the lesser of two evils" is playing into their hands!

[Swampman]

I'm guessing Conservatives make up less than 5% of the population.  They aren't going to change anything.

[dukkillr]

I'm guessing Conservatives make up less than 5% of the population.  They aren't going to change anything.

Then it won't matter who they vote for?

[Swampman]

That 5% voting for someone who can't win will give it to a democrat.  That's what they did in the last election.

[dukkillr]

That 5% voting for someone who can't win will give it to a democrat.  That's what they did in the last election.

So who they vote for is going to change something? I'm so confused.

[Cuts Crooked]

So........I should give up my priniciples and vote for a gun grabbing, immoral, socialistic, GOP candidate as opposed to a true constitutionalist, who believes in the Second Amendment, and has moral values?

Seems to me that's how we got where we are in the first place!

Compromise is to be recorded in the loss column.....under incrementalism. It has been screwing us over for a long time. It will continue to do so if we keep voting for trash like Newt and Romney, thinking they will save the day. The gutless wonders who suck at the teat of the GOP machine are killing freedom and trying to blame it it on those who really want to follow the constitution.......Blame Shifting, another great socialistdemolib tactic adopted by the GOP when they don't want to take responsibility for their own failures/actions!

Well, go ahead and blame me when your Obama lookalike looses. And if he wins and nothing changes, I'll blame you! You get the political leaders you deserve.

[Swampman]

That 5% voting for someone who can't win will give it to a democrat.  That's what they did in the last election.

So who they vote for is going to change something? I'm so confused.

Only for the worse......if they vote for someone who cannot win.

[ironglow]

) Newt and Santorum are pro 2nd amendment and pro-life..

Sorry, look at Newts record, he is NOT pro Second!  Newt has written 26 books, try reading what he postulates there.. a good place to start.." To Try Men's Souls" an account of Washington's command at Valley Forge and the taking of Trenton.

They are pro-family

  Pro life among other things, is pro family.

Uh huh! How MANY families? (this is not a jab at Romney by the way  ) Newt seems to have his family pretty much with him and Santorum is of all the candidates, probably the best expression of "family".  !

7) Both have indicated that such over-regulating bodies as the EPA and the Dept of Energy would be populated by much more sensible, and reasonable people.

  Both Gingrich and Santorum have made it clear the paring of govt beaurocracy would take place under their watch. Much of such paring took place under Newt's watch in the 90s.

Heard campaign promises before, and we'll hear them again........truth is, it won't happen. Instead of elimination of those depts they'll just staff them with a bunch of "reasonable/sensible" people with a different agenda. Same could be said of all 5 who are competing for the job.

None of the three are socialist/marxists

Thankfully, none of the four on the right are socialist/Marxist !

I'm surprized you make this claim.......at least two of them are indestinguishable from the current occupant of the white house.

  Are you firm in your conviction that some are "indistinguishable" from Obama ?  Think ! What was the first qualifier I mentioned ?   None of the 4 Republican candidates spent 20 years sitting through Rev Wright's hate filled sermons.  I dare say none of the 4 would have sat 10 minutes and listened to that trashing of America and everything American...
  Right there is a VERY distinguishable difference..just for starters !

[Cuts Crooked]

Nice looking blinders there IG........are they comfortable too?

yeah they've said/written a lot of things........but then you look at their actual voting records and.........Snicker!

[ironglow]

  I am not so blind that I wioll follow blindly a single specific "guru" in the same manner which the group of lemmings followed David Koresh or Jim Jones...

[Cuts Crooked]

  I am not so blind that I wioll follow blindly a single specific "guru" in the same manner which the group of lemmings followed David Koresh or Jim Jones...

Good! Now take a look at the gestopo tactics of the followers of one of our "mainstream candidates"

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/everyone-step-toes-gingrich-security-harasses-ron-paul-165042767.html

[ironglow]

  I am not so blind that I wioll follow blindly a single specific "guru" in the same manner which the group of lemmings followed David Koresh or Jim Jones...

Good! Now take a look at the gestopo tactics of the followers of one of our "mainstream candidates"

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/everyone-step-toes-gingrich-security-harasses-ron-paul-165042767.html

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  Looks like the guy begged for rudeness and he got it !  Still has no bearing on blind allegiance..unless somehow, getting one's toes mashed for one's hero is noble..  I wouldn't expect I could get away with jamming my sign in an Obama rally without getting my toes stepped upon..
 
 There's an old proverb which says..."rub a galled horse, and he'll kick".   ....Makes good sense..

[Cuts Crooked]

  I am not so blind that I wioll follow blindly a single specific "guru" in the same manner which the group of lemmings followed David Koresh or Jim Jones...

Good! Now take a look at the gestopo tactics of the followers of one of our "mainstream candidates"

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/everyone-step-toes-gingrich-security-harasses-ron-paul-165042767.html

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  Looks like the guy begged for rudeness and he got it !  Still has no bearing on blind allegiance..unless somehow, getting one's toes mashed for one's hero is noble..  I wouldn't expect I could get away with jamming my sign in an Obama rally without getting my toes stepped upon..
 
 There's an old proverb which says..."rub a galled horse, and he'll kick".   ....Makes good sense..

Well at least I know where you really stand. No further point in discussion with one who approves of gestopo tactics. And that's what see here, the "mainstream" thinking it's ok to use brutality reminds me a lot of the followers of another "great leader".

[Swampman]

Looks like Romney and Obama in November.  FL is all in, so it's a moot point now.

[Gary G]

Looks like Romney and Obama in November.  FL is all in, so it's a moot point now.

Would that be the Romney who could not beat McCain who could not beat Obama?

[Swampman]

We'll see, he's the only one running against Obama now.

[Matt]

Would that be the Romney who could not beat McCain who could not beat Obama?

yup that is the same guy back again.

Looks like Romney and Obama in November.  FL is all in, so it's a moot point now.

Well i'll be... Fl has now spoke so the rest of us in the other states dont matter... cause they HAD 50 delegates


Swampman you crack me up.

[Swampman]

50 is a huge chunk.  Stick a fork in them, they are done.....

[lakota]

I have come up with a new name for the 2012 Repulican primary-"Stupid is as stupid does-The 2012 Republican Primary."
 
I would also like to send this quote to those who have already cast their ballots for the same old hacks-"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Way to go guys you have ensured that we will have more of the same, one way or the other.

[Ranch13]

Looks an awfully lot like those of you that live where a Democrat US Senator or US House Rep is up for reelection, need to get out of your momma's basements ,off of the computer and get onto the streets and get the house and senate in control of someone that isn't going to rubber stamp Obama's socialist agenda.
That's where the fight needs to go now.

[Doublebass73]

Looks like Romney and Obama in November.  FL is all in, so it's a moot point now.

Should I vote for the candidate who signed socialist healthcare into law and supports gun control or should I vote for the candidate who signed socialist healthcare into law and supports gun control?

[Lost Farmboy]

Looks like Romney and Obama in November.  FL is all in, so it's a moot point now.

 
So, with only 46 states to go it's all over. Romney wins.

[Lost Farmboy]

  I am not so blind that I wioll follow blindly a single specific "guru" in the same manner which the group of lemmings followed David Koresh or Jim Jones...

 
The fight for freedom does not begin or end with Ron Paul. Comparing Ron to David Koresh or Jim Jones is insane. Ron is a freedom fighter not a cult leader. The sad thing is Ron is the only candidate that defends the constitution and Americans won't vote for him. If any candidate truly defends and fights for the constitution I will support them.