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An Anomaly In Politics
« on: January 30, 2012, 05:47:56 AM »
I can't stand that phrase.............You Go Girl! Every time I hear it, I picture Rosy O or Ellen Degenerate. But if I could stomach it, this woman would deserve the line. Betty Freauf writes for News With Views.


http://www.newswithviews.com/Betty/Freauf208.htm
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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 01:55:27 PM »
"I fear this year is our last hope to salvage our Republic. The last Constitutional grade that I saw on Congressman Ron Paul was 100%. "

Yes, I agree. But, it will be a financial collapse and the Constitution would have prevented it if it had only been followed.

What do you call it when you owe more debt than you can ever repay? Bankrupt!

R.P. is the only one that talks of doing something about it.
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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 03:37:09 PM »
   Ron Paul's economic policy I can stand behind 110% It's his foreign policy that kills him for me. Weather we like it or not, we DO live in a global world.
 
   To think that it's alright to let Islamic Extremist to aquire a nuclear weapon is to far out there for me.
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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 03:58:25 PM »
Quote from: spitpatch on January 30, 2012, 03:37:09 PM
   Ron Paul's economic policy I can stand behind 110% It's his foreign policy that kills him for me. Weather we like it or not, we DO live in a global world.
 
   To think that it's alright to let Islamic Extremist to aquire a nuclear weapon is to far out there for me.
Well okay,
Here is what very well could happen if we go to war with Iran:
1. Oil prices spike.
2. Europe collapses because of the high oil prices. They are teeter tottering now. Their banks fail because of the PIIGS bonds they hold.
3. The five largest US banks, which have sold credit default swaps on EU bonds fail. There are trillions of these CDS and many will fail.
4. The western world collapses.
5. Is it worth it?


But I hear Iran is calling in UN inspectors to show that they are only working on nuclear for energy purposes (electricity). Let's hope they do.



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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 05:13:44 PM »
Quote from: spitpatch on January 30, 2012, 03:37:09 PM
   Ron Paul's economic policy I can stand behind 110% It's his foreign policy that kills him for me. Weather we like it or not, we DO live in a global world.
 
   To think that it's alright to let Islamic Extremist to aquire a nuclear weapon is to far out there for me.


 Funny! I never heard Paul say it would be alright for Islamic Extreamists to have a nuclear weapon.

Paul is not a political isolationist. He doesn't want America to turn its back from the world; he wants rather to end all alliances and international arrangements to which the United States is a participant.

After ten years of war doesn't it appear strange that Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate -- Republican or Democrat -- talking about the need for a less militaristic foreign policy. 

He also believes that the United States should depart from all international organizations and global alliances. This includes not just NATO, but also the United Nations and the World Health. He  opposes NAFTA, all free trade agreements, and even U.S. membership in the WTO on the grounds that free trade should be free of government interference, global rule-making, or apparently dispute mechanisms. He is opposed to amnesty for illegal immigrants and believes that securing America's borders should be the "top national security priority."

 Paul wants to end foreign aid with some  exceptions made for disaster relief and humanitarian assistance. He claims that "foreign aid never works to achieve the stated goal of helping the poor of other nations. Look at out own Red Cross and United Way!They never account for the money they receive,and have a dismal record for getting relief to those needing it.

He wants to separate the United States from all official foreign entanglements, not just the military ones.
 He doesn't want America to turn its back from the world; he wants rather to end all alliances and international arrangements to which the United States is a participant.

I'm an old school Republican that agrees with him. I live in part of the global world. It's called the United States Of America, and I to believe as Paul, we should keep our long British type noses out of the business of others, and keep building a defense second to none.






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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 05:47:31 PM »
Quote from: spitpatch on January 30, 2012, 03:37:09 PM
   Ron Paul's economic policy I can stand behind 110% It's his foreign policy that kills him for me. Weather we like it or not, we DO live in a global world.
 
   To think that it's alright to let Islamic Extremist to aquire a nuclear weapon is to far out there for me.

 
How many trillions did the war in Iraq cost. Russia and China both said they will back Iran if we attack. You can't balance the budget if you start WW III.


The biggest thing people have against Ron Paul is he does not want to start WW III. Israel has enough nukes to end life in Iran for thousands of years, if attacked. They do not need our help.


Why do we send money to Israel? We are broke and they do not need the money we send them. Ron Paul's policies make since.
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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2012, 06:13:12 PM »
Just listen to what he is saying... I don't like him but I do agree this is our last chance.

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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2012, 08:04:59 PM »
Quote from: Matt on January 30, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
Just listen to what he is saying... I don't like him but I do agree this is our last chance.




Beck is a strange one! One day he's running down and making fun of Ron Paul, and then, like now he appears to support him.Like you, I agree with his views concerning Newt, and his fear of these Socialist Liberals and Republican Neocons. I wish he would either get on the band wagon or get off.

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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2012, 12:37:04 AM »
You have to remember that what Beck commonly says is that the change has to begin at home before it will ever begin in Washington.  One political candidate isn't going to turn this mess around. 
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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2012, 01:13:45 AM »
nw_hunter, why does RP want a free trade agreement with fidel castro?  that would be a slap in the face of a lot of citizens.
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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2012, 02:23:56 AM »
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why does RP want a free trade agreement with fidel castro?  that would be a slap in the face of a lot of citizens.


Well, aside from the fact that Fidel is no longer a national leader, and I don't think "free trade" is what Paul advocates, rather he advocates "fair Trade"..........what exactly has restricting trade with Cuba gained us?
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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2012, 03:01:29 AM »
Quote from: BUGEYE on January 31, 2012, 01:13:45 AM
nw_hunter, why does RP want a free trade agreement with fidel castro?  that would be a slap in the face of a lot of citizens.
I'm not  nw_hunter or Ron Paul, but I'll field this one.
We should trade with Cuba because it make sense to do so. It does not serve our interest, or the interest of the Cuban people, to maintain this fifty-year embargo against Cuba. Trade would benefit EVERYONE except pissed-off Cuban exiles from 1960 who hope to go back to the good ol' days of Batista (whom all GOP candidates except  Paul have sucked up to). Also, peeps hung up on the Cold War (which is over, by the way). I can't think of any really good reason, offhand, to continue the embargo & antagonism towards Cuba, except to suck up to those abovementioned exiles... and that's not a good reason.

There is opportunity in Cuba. Some wingnuts will squeal, but they're commies! Well, so are the Chinese... we trade with them, don't we?

Anyhow... you'll have to ask Ron Paul, but here's what he said in one of the debates:
“...I don`t like the isolationism of not talking to people. ...And I think we propped up Castro for 40-some years because we put on these sanctions, and [he] only used us as a scapegoat. He could always say, [if] anything [is] wrong, it`s the United States` fault. But I think it`s time to quit this isolation business of not talking to people. We talked to the Soviets. We talk to the Chinese. And we opened up trade, and we`re not killing each other now. We fought with the Vietnamese for a long time. We finally gave up, started talking to them, [and] now we trade with them. I don`t know why the Cuban people should be so intimidating. ...I think we`re living in the dark ages when we can`t even talk to the Cuban people.”

Hey, this is the web... quick Bing search on this subject.... here you go:

this is good - [size=78%]http://www.nolanchart.com/article9315-ron-paul-trounces-santorum-on-foreign-policy-in-cnn-debate.html[/size]

an op-ed - http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/28/opinion/martin-cuba-policy/index.html

http://www.policymic.com/articles/3678/ron-paul-is-the-only-gop-candidate-who-gets-it-right-on-cuba/category_list









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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2012, 04:06:37 AM »
Quote from: BUGEYE on January 31, 2012, 01:13:45 AM
nw_hunter, why does RP want a free trade agreement with fidel castro?  that would be a slap in the face of a lot of citizens.
When goods cross borders, ideas cross borders. Ideas are stronger than a repressive government. The great thing about ideas is that they have always led to greater liberty for the people. Mises said that when goods cross borders, armies don't. Isolation allows their government to continue their repression of the people. The government blames their economic plight on the US which is only partially true. Many Cubans will foolishly believe this and support their own repression, thus their government remains in power.


This shows the wisdom of Paul vs. all the others.
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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 11:11:14 AM »
Quote from: BUGEYE on January 31, 2012, 01:13:45 AM
nw_hunter, why does RP want a free trade agreement with fidel castro?  that would be a slap in the face of a lot of citizens.


LOL! I think several of the guy's answered that question for me..........And quite well, I might add ;)
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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2012, 12:04:19 PM »
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The great thing about ideas is that they have always led to greater liberty for the people.

 
 
Often true, but certainly not "always".  Unless of course you think the ideas of socialism and communism that made their way into Russia nearly 100 years ago led to greater liberty.
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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2012, 02:20:45 PM »
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The great thing about ideas is that they have always led to greater liberty for the people.

 
 
Often true, but certainly not "always".  Unless of course you think the ideas of socialism and communism that made their way into Russia nearly 100 years ago led to greater liberty.
A good lesson, government ideas (propaganda) often leads to repression. Also, keep in mind, the mainstream media, most often, works for the government.
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Re: An Anomaly In Politics
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2012, 02:39:18 PM »
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A good lesson, government ideas (propaganda) often leads to repression. Also, keep in mind, the mainstream media, most often, works for the government.

 
 
Agreed.
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