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Offline Jason F

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sent barrel off for conversion
« on: January 30, 2012, 06:51:48 AM »
Just sent my 450 marlin barrel to s.m.i to have converted to smokeless muzzle loader. Called and ordered a ramrod from hubbard outdoors. I was wondering where i can find the rod holder for front of barrel i already have a huntsman forearm to use.i just picked up some 45/357 sabots to try what is your opinion of these
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 06:55:36 AM »
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 06:56:45 AM »
I believe they're a dovetail installation, and sized for 50 cal.
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2012, 12:52:25 AM »
Jason,
 
10-4 for the dovetail for the ramrod thimble.  I would talk to SMI and see if they can install the thimble for you.  I found an old plastic CVA barrel band/ramrod thimble on an auction site for a couple of bucks.  It works but ain't the prettiest thing in the world.
the 357/45 sabots didn't work as well in my 45 MZ as the 40/45 sabots.  It seems the 357/45s are easier to blow out and also they limit you to lighter weight bullets.  I have had good luck with smokeless and the harvester 40/45 crush rib sabots and the MMP 40/45 (tan color) sabots.   If your 40 cal bullets are sized .401" then you might want the crush rib sabots.  I found in my 45 MZ the MMP sabots with a .401 bullet where too difficult to load and I was damaging the petals.
 
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2012, 08:43:40 AM »
I CAN'T FIND SMI WHEN SEARCHING THE NET . DO THEY HAVE A WEB PAGE???
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2012, 09:13:52 AM »
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2012, 09:30:55 AM »
THANK YOU.....
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2012, 01:32:56 PM »
Whats the conversion costing you.
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2012, 06:38:00 PM »
I would really like to do that with a .45-70 Buff Classic.  Was also wondering how much it ends up costing.
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 01:58:02 PM »
It was 150 for conversion and 15 for return shipping
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2012, 07:34:12 PM »
That doesnt sound too bad.  Thanks for the info.
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2012, 11:39:33 PM »
Why not shoot full bore slugs?
 
For some time I have wondered why people buy a 50, 54 what ever cal rifle only to load it with 44 cal projectiles... Maybe years ago the sabots offered better accuracy but today that is lots of full bore options...  Just throwing it out there...
 
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2012, 07:16:03 AM »
Gonna try full bore to, i gotta figure out what powder and how much all the datta smi has is for 50 cal loads
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2012, 07:18:20 AM »
I was thinking 4198 or 4895 i got trail boss to
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2012, 08:19:45 AM »
I was unaware this conversion was also to smokeless powder. 

As has been pointed aut to me, please do some research before using full bore slugs in a smokeless muzzle loader.

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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2012, 08:23:10 AM »
Can full bore slugs be shot wth smokeless or is it not safe,i havnt done much research yet,i should be getting barrel back pretty soon
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2012, 08:42:38 AM »
Hello Jason,
I have converted several barrels for alot of people and I never ever recommend use of full bore bullets.
Always use a sabot with smokeless powder. The sabot is your pressure relief valve, if you load too much powder the sabot will blow out and let the excess pressure go out the muzzle. I've been shooting and building smokeless powder muzzleloaders for several years and I've blown quite a few sabots while experimenting with different loads, I've still got all ten fingers and both eyes, although the old eyes ain't what they used to be. :(
Get some harvester sabots, part #H4540B and use with Hornady .400", 200 grain XTP bullets. If your bore is tight enough you will get good results with H-4198, if it's not tight enough the powder will not ignite and the 209 primer will blow the load out the barrel a few feet.
If you experience this get some Accurate 5744 and you will never have any trouble with ignition. I always recommend the 5744 because I know it will be trouble free, you won't get as much velocity but the deer will never know the difference. ;)
 
Stay safe and always use a sabot.
 
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2012, 08:52:03 AM »
Thanks for all the info
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2012, 10:46:48 AM »
Quote from: Jason F on February 08, 2012, 08:23:10 AM
Can full bore slugs be shot wth smokeless or is it not safe,i havnt done much research yet,i should be getting barrel back pretty soon

SAME HERE!!  I have shot muzzle loaders for some time, but NEVER a smokless. Appearently this vastly changes things! You stop learning the day you die!
 
When I first posted my comment about full bore slugs, I did not even know this conversion was to smokeless! I was thinking it was still black powder.
 
Good luck,
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2012, 11:19:51 AM »
savage model 10 ml dot com  has their loads listed for smokeless muzzle loading. would think that should give a starting point. not really primitive hunting but sure is nice to not worry about  rusting. in fact i have not shot my huntsman or knight since getting the savage. to each his own
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2012, 06:22:52 PM »
Jason,
Is there a chance that we could see some pictures, especially of the ignition end & chamber area.
What other changes did they make, for example: was removal of the ejector/extractor required? 

I have a load of questions:
Are you still using a 209 primer as an ignition source? 
I assume that the breech plug is still removable, is my assumption correct?
Does, anyone know if a SB2 frame is a must? Or is the only item necessary a smokeless cartridge barrel?
What size bullet & what sabot would you have to use?
Does this conversion use the Savage breech plug?

Any info you provide would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2012, 11:55:11 PM »
as soon as i get it backin mail i will post pictures of plug and barrel work,i am putting it on a shotgun frame ,there is no breech thrust so i wouldnt think an sb2 is needed. i am gonna be using 45 cal sabots i have some that take a 357 bullet and i just order some for 40 cal bullets ,i will have to wait and see which ones shoot the best.it is a removable breech plug.uses 209 primers
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2012, 02:16:17 PM »
finally got itback today gonna try to post more pics,cant wait to try it out,hopefully hubbard rod gets here soon. might just have to use my huntsman rod till it gets here
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2012, 02:13:52 AM »
I just want to make sure. The 450 marlin or 45-70 barrels can be converted to smokeless muzzleloaders right. Because that's the only reason I'm getting one.
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2012, 02:16:33 AM »
Mine came out perfect
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2012, 03:33:03 AM »
Can a 500 S&W be done as well?
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2012, 03:54:48 AM »
It has wrong size bore for a 50 cal muzzleloader
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2012, 04:53:11 AM »
Quote from: Jason F on February 16, 2012, 02:16:33 AM
Mine came out perfect
Jason,

Enjoy, and Good Luck with it! Looking forward to a range report.
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2012, 06:01:43 AM »
Quote from: Jason F on February 16, 2012, 03:54:48 AM
It has wrong size bore for a 50 cal muzzleloader
Good to know thanks. :)
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Re: sent barrel off for conversion
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2012, 11:23:40 AM »
shot the new barrel today with 40 grains of imr 4198 and harvester sabot with 200 grain xtp. i am not getting complete powder burn it is not even charring back of sabot,do i need to switch to a faster burning powder to get a complete burn. there isnt much recoil with the load i tried. any suggestions
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