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Crazy New Regulation
« on: January 30, 2012, 05:06:16 PM »
Missouri gets stranger and stranger. I read today that now during Muzzleloader Season it will be legal to use bows, crossbows, atlatls, air powered firearms and get this....handguns fireing centerfire cartridges!  :o Seems they should change the name from Muzzleloader Season to Practicly Anything Goes Season!  ::)

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2012, 04:57:04 PM »
Where did you find that? I looked at MDC sites and have not seen it. I have lobbied for them to go to "primitive weapons season" instead of muzzleloader, because inline , scope sighted muzzleloader has a far higher performance than my single shot cast bullet firing 45/70.The numbers of archers and crossow shooters are so small as to be irrelevant, archers can hunt for 4 months anyway. The air gun and alatal guys you could probably get into a bus. If the centerfire handgun thing is a single shot requirement, it would be great as far as I am concerned, but if it is open to revolvers and semi autos, not so much.
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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2012, 05:34:44 PM »
It's in an article, about regulation changes, in this months Missouri Conservationist magazine, page 21 at the bottom of the page.
 
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To provide hunters more options during the muzzleloader portion of the firearms deer season, additional hunting methods will be allowed. These include archery methods, crossbows, atlatls, handguns firing expanding-type centerfire ammunition, and air-powered guns, 40 caliber or larger, that are charged only from an external high compression power source.]
 
The way that reads it includes revolvers and semi-autos. Any handgun really, just as long as you use centerfire expanding ammunition.

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2012, 06:17:07 PM »
I too would like to see it changed to "Primitive weapon season" instead of muzzle loader. it would give me a little extra time to hunt with a 45-70 and a little less competition  :)
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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 04:14:44 PM »
   +1 with twoshooter and nova....."primitive arms" as I shoot traditionals only. Them dang "city boy muzzleloaders" shoot the same as modern rifles, not much challenge.
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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 04:28:18 PM »
I will get the magazine and check it out, thanks. I would not be big on just any handgun, but single shots would be ok. I hunted this year with my 500 S&W NEF using 50/70 load data during rifle season, got a 10 pointer but was looking for a spike. I had a TC muzzle loader years ago but my eyes are bad and that was before inlines and scopes so I sold it. I have a contender still, so I can use that if need be, but prefer my NEF.
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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 03:54:51 PM »
Its great if you haven't used your modern firearms tag or unused anterless tag, only good in some counties. They should issue a free any deer permit for the december portion for anybody killing a coyote. If we ever expect to have any game left we got to do something about this problem.

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2012, 02:14:26 PM »
I guess I'm the only one happy about the use of hunting handguns for the late season next year. If inline muzzleloaders with scopes have been allowed, why not revolvers???????

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2012, 02:25:57 PM »
Sounds good to me! Less law.....I'm all for it. Make it happen for you~!

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2012, 04:03:57 PM »
so what yu are saying is i can use a pistol during muzzy season? here in missouri? is that what your saying?

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2012, 04:11:21 PM »
i hardly see beein able to use a short  gun as a advantage.either one of my old inlines will kil a deer at 150 yrds. but none of my pistols will.

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2012, 06:14:30 AM »
so what yu are saying is i can use a pistol during muzzy season? here in missouri? is that what your saying?

Yep, that's what they are saying. Just as long as you use expanding centerfire ammo. The regs don't bother me as much as the fact that they change every time you read them. Very easy to get in trouble if you don't keep 100% up to date. Does seem kinda silly to continue calling it Muzzleloader Season though. It's now more of an Anything Goes Season. Guess I'm just Old School. I miss the charm of Muzzy Season actualy being for Muzzleloaders but a true Primitive Weapon Season would be very cool.

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2012, 02:32:07 PM »
I would also go for the "primitive" aspect as I said earlier. The gentleman who said his inline was a 150 yard gun but a handgun was not should watch some 200 meter silhouette matches. I saw where the first 2 deer were killed with atlatls , that was cool.
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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2012, 01:27:59 PM »
I would also go for the "primitive" aspect as I said earlier. The gentleman who said his inline was a 150 yard gun but a handgun was not should watch some 200 meter silhouette matches. I saw where the first 2 deer were killed with atlatls , that was cool.
i realize a handgun can kill at astounding distances. however, in my hands and the hands of most people who use them, 50 yrds is about the limit.i just dont feel comfortable shooting beyond that distance. so to me and many people a handgun would be a handicap over even a true primitive rifle.

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2012, 07:53:23 PM »
The "Muzzle loader" season went away a long time ago. With shotgun primer ignited, clean synthetic "black" powder in compressed pellets, fast inline lock systems, jacketed pistol bullets held in a sabot, and modern optics, what's the difference if I use my 35 Remington Contender pistol?
Complaints were made about destroying the "integrity" of the muzzle loading season. That's nothing but a joke. There hasn't been any integrity since Tony Knight sold the first in-line!
Now if they really want to save it, make it loose powder, patched lead ball, or pure lead conical bullet, external, percussion cap or flintlock ignition, and no optics. Then you would have a true muzzle loader season!

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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2012, 01:56:52 PM »
The "Muzzle loader" season went away a long time ago. With shotgun primer ignited, clean synthetic "black" powder in compressed pellets, fast inline lock systems, jacketed pistol bullets held in a sabot, and modern optics, what's the difference if I use my 35 Remington Contender pistol?
Complaints were made about destroying the "integrity" of the muzzle loading season. That's nothing but a joke. There hasn't been any integrity since Tony Knight sold the first in-line!
Now if they really want to save it, make it loose powder, patched lead ball, or pure lead conical bullet, external, percussion cap or flintlock ignition, and no optics. Then you would have a true muzzle loader season!
i think they just did that to get more deer killed. if we get any more deer in my area we are seriously looking at some disease issues.i saw more deer this season than ever, they need to be thinned a bit. i think thats what they are lookin at is to get the handgun hunters in the game in the late season.

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2012, 10:50:52 AM »
Quite possible. With all the extended seasons, there probably isn't any room for a strictly handgun season.

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2012, 05:44:51 PM »
I support a youth season and a separate archery season, Other than that there should just be a general season.
Because of the extreme limits of archery and the need to get close I am willing to give them an early season before the game is so agitated.
I support a youngster because they are our future. I want as many as possible to experience hunting, hopefully successfully, and always safely before the woods are over run.
The rest of us can take our chances together. Many hunters got into the special seasons: muzleloaders, primitive, etc. because it gave them a longer season or bigger limit. If someone could not afford all they extra gear too bad for them. Use what you like and enjoy the hunt but give up the idea that some of us are more entitled than others.

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2012, 07:55:51 AM »
I guess I'm the only one happy about the use of hunting handguns for the late season next year. If inline muzzleloaders with scopes have been allowed, why not revolvers? ??? ???

I'm quite excited about it.  Archery has over 3 months of season to hunt.  You really have to hunt like a bowhunter when using a handgun.  Because of this, handgun hunters like myself have to pass on quite a few shots during the normal firearms season.  Having an extra week or two is totally fair, if you ask me. 


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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2012, 09:43:24 AM »
I guess I'm the only one happy about the use of hunting handguns for the late season next year. If inline muzzleloaders with scopes have been allowed, why not revolvers? ??? ???

I'm quite excited about it.  Archery has over 3 months of season to hunt.  You really have to hunt like a bowhunter when using a handgun.  Because of this, handgun hunters like myself have to pass on quite a few shots during the normal firearms season.  Having an extra week or two is totally fair, if you ask me.
I'm having heart surgery and a handgun may be my only option to hunt so I'll be using this I think. :)
 
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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2012, 11:57:33 AM »
I guess I'm the only one happy about the use of hunting handguns for the late season next year. If inline muzzleloaders with scopes have been allowed, why not revolvers? ??? ???
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I'm quite excited about it.  Archery has over 3 months of season to hunt.  You really have to hunt like a bowhunter when using a handgun.  Because of this, handgun hunters like myself have to pass on quite a few shots during the normal firearms season.  Having an extra week or two is totally fair, if you ask me.
I'm having heart surgery and a handgun may be my only option to hunt so I'll be using this I think. :)
 
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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2012, 03:21:34 PM »
Thanks. :)

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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2012, 04:10:47 PM »
Thanks. :)

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2012, 05:36:04 PM »
the reg change was a good enough "excuse" for me to get a new .357, glad you're aboard spirithawk!

cast bullets in the neck is the plan, we'll see how that goes though.  ::)

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2012, 02:45:19 PM »
the new reg may be a little too late.last year i saw more deer than ever.this year, just a few days from gun season ive seen less deer than ive ever seen for a long time.no groups of bucks like usual. no herds of does like usual.deer are present but not like last year. there are rumours of blue tounge.ive walked the creeks and ponds and im not seeing it in my area yet but ive heard of it very close.i made comments to my buddys that there are too many deer and sumpin going to happin like cwd or sumpin.guess i was correct. gun season starts on the 10th we will see.

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Re: Crazy New Regulation
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2012, 04:17:31 PM »
oh they were dying alright because I was seeing them (outside of sedalia), and it wasn't predators dragging them down since they were intact.  on the flip side the survivors (though skinny and lighter than usual) are up and about and not as afraid of foreign odors now.  they're hungry, thirsty, weary and used to smelling death and weirdness for months now. 

I got the bodies (that I could find) covered in salt and urine to conceal the smell, put out salt licks (not on the bodies or all that close to them!), put food out from 1month prior till 2weeks prior, and 3weeks prior till 10days prior was working hard on false rubs and scrapes.  they're getting hit too, normally I get very little reaction on those unless I work them hard in an area so thick I can't even take a shot. --- this year they're desperate enough to work them closer to the stand and out of the "marsh".  I don't forsee any good sized bucks, likely not any good does either, but yearlings will be scrambling hard with no bruisers likely to curb them, and IF a bruiser is about IT'LL BE JUST AS HUNGRY, THIRSTY, WEARY AND DESENSITIZED as the others... plus horny and distracted.  Remember that the old, big guys that actually survived will be vulnerable this year (if you're the lucky one that catches one slipping).