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Late March 2003. In the area of Nasiriya, Iraq I looked through the scope of the sniper rifle, scanning down the road of the tiny Iraqi town. Fifty yards away, a woman opened the door of a small house and stepped outside
with her child.
The rest of the street was deserted. The local Iraqis had gone inside, most of them scared. A few curious souls peeked out from behind curtains, waiting. They could hear the rumble of the approaching American unit. The Marines were flooding up the road, marching north to liberate the country from Saddam Hussein.
It was my job to protect them. My platoon had taken over the building earlier in the day, sneaking into position to provide "overwatch"--prevent the enemy from ambushing the Marines as they came through.
It didn't seem like too difficult a task--if anything, I was glad the Marines were on my side. I'd seen the power of their weapons and I would've hated to have to fight them. The Iraq army didn't stand a chance. And, in fact, they appeared to have abandoned the area already.
The war had started roughly two weeks before. My platoon, "Charlie" (later "Cadillac") of SEAL Team 3, helped kick it off during the early morning of March 20. We landed on al-Faw Peninsula and secured the oil terminal there so Saddam couldn't set it ablaze as he had during the First Gulf War. Now we were tasked to assist the Marines as they marched north toward Baghdad.
I was a SEAL, a Navy commando trained in special operations. SEAL stands for "SEa, Air, Land," and it pretty much describes the wide ranges of places we operate. In this case, we were far inland, much farther than SEALs traditionally operated, though as the war against terror continued, this would become common. I'd spent nearly three years training and learning how to become a warrior; I was ready for this fight, or at least as ready as anyone can be.
The rifle I was holding was a .300 WinMag, a bolt-action, precision sniper weapon that belonged to my platoon chief. He'd been covering the street for a while and needed a break. He showed a great deal of confidence in me by choosing me to spot him and take the gun. I was still a new guy, a newbie or rookie in the Teams. By SEAL standards, I had yet to be fully tested.
I was also not yet trained as a SEAL sniper. I wanted to be one in the worst way, but I had a long way to go. Giving me the rifle that morning was the chief's way of testing me to see if I had the right stuff.
We were on the roof of an old rundown building at the edge of a town the Marines were going to pass through. The wind kicked dirt and papers across the battered road below us. The place smelled like a sewer--the stench of Iraq was one thing I'd never get used to.
"Marines are coming," said my chief as the building began to shake. "Keep watching."
I looked through the scope. The only people who were moving were the woman and maybe a child or two nearby.
I watched our troops pull up. Ten young, proud Marines in uniform got out of their vehicles and gathered for a foot patrol. As the Americans organized, the woman took something from beneath her clothes, and yanked at it.
She'd set a grenade. I didn't realize it at first.
"Looks yellow," I told the chief, describing what I saw as he watched himself. "It's yellow, the body--"
"She's got a grenade," said the chief. "That's a Chinese grenade."
"crap."
"Take a shot."
"But--"
"Shoot. Get the grenade. The Marines--"
I hesitated. Someone was trying to get the Marines on the radio, but we couldn't reach them. They were coming down the street, heading toward the woman.
"Shoot!" said the chief.
I pushed my finger against the trigger. The bullet leapt out. I shot. The grenade dropped. I fired again as the grenade blew up.
It was the first time I'd killed anyone while I was on the sniper rifle. And the first time in Iraq--and the only time--I killed anyone other than a male combatant.
It was my duty to shoot, and I don't regret it. The woman was already dead. I was just making sure she didn't take any Marines with her.
It was clear that not only did she want to kill them, but she didn't care about anybody else nearby who would have been blown up by the grenade or killed in the firefight. Children on the street, people in the houses, maybe her child...
She was too blinded by evil to consider them. She just wanted Americans dead, no matter what.
My shots saved several Americans, whose lives were clearly worth more than that woman's twisted soul. I can stand before God with a clear conscience about doing my job. But I truly, deeply hated the evil that woman possessed. I hate it to this day.
Savage, despicable evil. That's what we were fighting in Iraq. That's why a lot of people, myself included, called the enemy "savages." There really was no other way to describe what we encountered there.
People ask me all the time, "How many people have you killed?" My standard response is, "Does the answer make me less, or more, of a man?"
The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more. Not for bragging rights, but because I believe the world is a better place without savages out there taking American lives. Everyone I shot in Iraq was trying to harm Americans or Iraqis loyal to the new government.
I had a job to do as a SEAL. I killed the enemy--an enemy I saw day in and day out plotting to kill my fellow Americans. I'm haunted by the enemy's successes. They were few, but even a single American life is one too many lost.
I don't worry about what other people think of me. It's one of the things I most admired about my dad growing up. He didn't give a hoot what others thought. He was who he was. It's one of the qualities that has kept me most sane.
As this book goes to print, I'm still a bit uncomfortable with the idea of publishing my life story. First of all, I've always thought that if you want to know what life as a SEAL is like, you should go get your own Trident: earn our medal, the symbol of who we are. Go through our training, make the sacrifices, physical and mental. That's the only way you'll know.
Second of all, and more importantly, who cares about my life? I'm no different than anyone else.
I happen to have been in some pretty bad-ass situations. People have told me it's interesting. I don't see it. Other people are talking about writing books about my life, or about some of the things I've done. I find it strange, but I also feel it's my life and my story, and I guess I better be the one to get it on paper the way it actually happened.
Also, there are a lot of people who deserve credit, and if I don't write the story, they may be overlooked. I don't like the idea of that at all. My boys deserve to be praised more than I do.
The Navy credits me with more kills as a sniper than any other American service member, past or present. I guess that's true.
They go back and forth on what the number is. One week, it's 160 (the "official" number as of this writing, for what that's worth), then it's way higher, then it's somewhere in between. If you want a number, ask the Navy--you may even get the truth if you catch them on the right day.
People always want a number. Even if the Navy would let me, I'm not going to give one. I'm not a numbers guy. SEALs are silent warriors, and I'm a SEAL down to my soul. If you want the whole story, get a Trident. If you want to check me out, ask a SEAL.
If you want what I am comfortable with sharing, and even some stuff I am reluctant to reveal, read on.
I've always said that I wasn't the best shot or even the best sniper ever. I'm not denigrating my skills. I certainly worked hard to hone them. I was blessed with some excellent instructors, who deserve a lot of credit. And my boys--the fellow SEALs and the Marines and the Army soldiers who fought with me and helped me do my job--were all a critical part of my success. But my high total and my so-called "legend" have much to do with the fact that I was in the crap a lot.
In other words, I had more opportunities than most. I served back-to-back deployments from right before the Iraq War kicked off until the time I got out in 2009. I was lucky enough to be positioned directly in the action.

There's another question people ask a lot: Did it bother you killing so many people in Iraq?
I tell them, "No."
And I mean it. The first time you shoot someone, you get a little nervous. You think, can I really shoot this guy? Is it really okay? But after you kill your enemy, you see it's okay. You say, Great.
You do it again. And again. You do it so the enemy won't kill you or your countrymen. You do it until there's no one left for you to kill.
That's what war is.
I loved what I did. I still do. If circumstances were different--if my family didn't need me--I'd be back in a heartbeat. I'm not lying or exaggerating to say it was fun. I had the time of my life being a SEAL.
People try to put me in a category as a bad-ass, a good ol' boy, (censored word), sniper, SEAL, and probably other categories not appropriate for print. All might be true on any given day. In the end, my story, in Iraq and afterward, is about more than just killing people or even fighting for my country.
It's about being a man. And it's about love as well as hate.


Images from Chris Kyle's life and career as the most lethal sniper in U.S. military history. All images courtesy William Morrow.
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This man did what he had to do and saved many American lives doing it. We should all be proud of our men and women in the armed forces. Dale
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Re: Here is a true American! Our country should be proud of men like him.
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2012, 01:47:36 PM »
Yes we should be proud of him and all the other American men and women that went over there and did what they had to do.  And the ones that are still over there.  Two Brigades are currently serving from Ft WW here in Fairbanks.  As one unit is coming home this week we are having a memorial service for one that will not come home.
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2012, 03:23:28 PM »
DALE. Thanks for sharing. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2012, 04:01:34 PM »
Ah, doesn't do much for me. Lots of better callings than sniper, than author selling books to wannabees who'd like to kill someone. Not impressed.
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2012, 05:31:34 PM »
Ah, doesn't do much for me.

 
Of course it wouldn't.
Most folks don't care to hear about the enemy killing their loved ones.
I'd feel just as you do..... if it were a muslim, killing human beings.
 
 
 

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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2012, 05:55:28 PM »
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Not impressed.

 
 
 
I doubt he'd care. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 06:02:45 PM »
I can't understand why folks look on sniping as dispicible. The guy dropping ton of bombs from 10,000 feet is a hero, he kills indescriminantly, combatants, women, kids, all the same. The sniper takes real risks to kill just the enemy, never any collateral damage.

And, a sniper is a very potent weapon. When I was in Nam, we had a pretty happy go lucky attitude. We'd get into little firefights and folks would get wounded and we would joke about whether they were million dollar wounds. Then we came up against a sniper. The whole war changed for us. Now we were sending dead men home. Changed the whole picture for us. If we had been in contact with him for much longer, I think he would have really demoralized our outfit.

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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2012, 02:36:52 AM »
Ah, doesn't do much for me.

 
Of course it wouldn't.
Most folks don't care to hear about the enemy killing their loved ones.
I'd feel just as you do..... if it were a muslim, killing human beings.

 
 
M-G WILLY. Good post Sir, I thought it, just didn't say it. I agree. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D 
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2012, 02:56:49 AM »
bilmac comes up with an interesting post:
I can't understand why folks look on sniping as dispicible. The guy dropping ton of bombs from 10,000 feet is a hero, he kills indescriminantly, combatants, women, kids, all the same. The sniper takes real risks to kill just the enemy, never any collateral damage.
Quite true. In Vietnam our guys lived well on ships in the Gulf, had a Filipino servant (we called them stewards back then) wake them up, ate breakfast on fine china in one of the wardrooms, strapped on their gear and burned some people to death in a 3rd world country we had no business in... some of them civilians - then trapped in time for a good snack and a movie. Heroes? Well...

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And, a sniper is a very potent weapon. When I was in Nam, we had a pretty happy go lucky attitude. We'd get into little firefights and folks would get wounded and we would joke about whether they were million dollar wounds. Then we came up against a sniper. The whole war changed for us. Now we were sending dead men home. Changed the whole picture for us. If we had been in contact with him for much longer, I think he would have really demoralized our outfit.
Thanks for posting that perspective.
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Re: Here is a true American! Our country should be proud of men like him.
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2012, 05:57:05 AM »
bilmac comes up with an interesting post:
I can't understand why folks look on sniping as dispicible. The guy dropping ton of bombs from 10,000 feet is a hero, he kills indescriminantly, combatants, women, kids, all the same. The sniper takes real risks to kill just the enemy, never any collateral damage.
Quite true. In Vietnam our guys lived well on ships in the Gulf, had a Filipino servant (we called them stewards back then) wake them up, ate breakfast on fine china in one of the wardrooms, strapped on their gear and burned some people to death in a 3rd world country we had no business in... some of them civilians - then trapped in time for a good snack and a movie. Heroes? Well...

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And, a sniper is a very potent weapon. When I was in Nam, we had a pretty happy go lucky attitude. We'd get into little firefights and folks would get wounded and we would joke about whether they were million dollar wounds. Then we came up against a sniper. The whole war changed for us. Now we were sending dead men home. Changed the whole picture for us. If we had been in contact with him for much longer, I think he would have really demoralized our outfit.
Thanks for posting that perspective.
YT - That's why most Navy & AF guys don't get it.   When I was in Nam, for most of my tour, when I wasn't sleeping in a bunker on a Fire base, or out in the bush, I slept on a folding cot, in a tent.
   When we worked out of Tuy Hoa (an AF base), we felt like we were back in the world.  Except for an occasional sniper round fired haphazardly at the base, the place was like stateside.  Blacktop, some sidewalks, a PX, specifically an air conditioned PX, a real air conditioned movie theater, ice cream snack bar, EM, NCO, and Officer's clubs, etc.  And for most Navy guys....  :-X You get the drift.
   In the US, Snipers for some reason don't get the credit they deserve.  Probably has to do with our heritage, and the feeling that we don't like "sneaky" types of people.  IMO, Snipers have an honored place in our military.  Every American life they save is something we should be proud of.
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2012, 07:48:19 AM »
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IMO, Snipers have an honored place in our military.  Every American life they save is something we should be proud of.

 
OSR. Agreed Sir. Thank you for your service. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2012, 08:35:46 AM »
Well, not everybody in the mil community think Kyle is so hot...in fact, some think he's full of BS.....fwiw
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/10/why-they-are-afraid-of-jesse-ventura/
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/06/breaking-news-bin-laden-troops-probably-murderered-to-keep-them-quiet/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/26/tidbits-what-is-being-held-back-from-you/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/01/linking-911-truth-to-the-israel-palestine-conflict/


 

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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2012, 08:53:41 AM »
It's a good thing for a couple of people that Matt runs this place, and not me.
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 09:41:08 AM »
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“Veterans Today” isn’t a veterans’ web site; it’s an anti-Israel and conspiracy theory whacko site masquerading under the banner of being a web site for veterans’ interests. 

 
NUKE 41. I for one am totally shocked. I wonder where he, or she came up with that?? An anti Israel site no less, boy, thats something new. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2012, 10:17:29 AM »
In Vietnam our guys lived well on ships in the Gulf, had a Filipino servant (we called them stewards back then) wake them up, ate breakfast on fine china in one of the wardrooms, strapped on their gear and burned some people to death in a 3rd world country we had no business in... some of them civilians - then trapped in time for a good snack and a movie. Heroes? Well...

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Our guys lived well on ships??
What about the rest of us grunts?
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2012, 10:37:37 AM »
Well, not everybody in the mil community think Kyle is so hot...in fact, some think he's full of BS.....fwiw
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/10/why-they-are-afraid-of-jesse-ventura/
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..TM7

“Veterans Today” isn’t a veterans’ web site; it’s an anti-Israel and conspiracy theory whacko site masquerading under the banner of being a web site for veterans’ interests.  Like they can post a link on VA housing loans and justify the rest of the nonsense that populates their web site.  Here are better examples of what “Veterans Today” really stands for:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/06/breaking-news-bin-laden-troops-probably-murderered-to-keep-them-quiet/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/26/tidbits-what-is-being-held-back-from-you/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/01/linking-911-truth-to-the-israel-palestine-conflict/


I wouldn't have known that.  ::)   Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2012, 10:46:18 AM »
Ah, doesn't do much for me. Lots of better callings than sniper, than author selling books to wannabees who'd like to kill someone. Not impressed.

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2012, 11:05:15 AM »
Funny how some think it is important to show respect to muslims and seem to believe that it is wrong when another posts examples of attrocities by muslims, but then shows zero respect to our servicemen, LEO's or others and continually posts lesser examples of what they believe are "attrocities" by those servicemen, LEO's, etc.  I'm just saying.   ::)
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2012, 11:24:34 AM »
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Gordon Duff checks out as a marine and Vietnam vet, also claiming to have had sniper experince, and I put some weight on what he says as he calls Kyle a BS artist.

 
 
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2012, 12:52:07 PM »
CASULL. Good posts Sir. Not hard to tell Americans from the rest. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: Here is a true American! Our country should be proud of men like him.
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2012, 05:10:07 PM »

Veteran's Today is a clearing house of alternative news. Loyalist  have no choice but to call it whacko or whatever since it is very hard to refute their research.
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“Veterans Today” is nothing more than the same tired anti-Israel, anti-US government and anti-military nonsense that you can find on any white supremacist, neo-Nazi or conspiracy theory web site.  What makes them so loathsome is they wrap themselves in the flag and the uniform of our servicemen for legitimacy, while showing nothing but disdain for both.  Just look at some of their “alternate news” headlines:
 
“Nuremberg: The Crime That Will Not Die”
 
 “Captain America or Captain Judea?”
 
“The Holocaust, Israel’s Most Powerful PsyOps Weapon”
 
“Truth Telling Transfer Agreement Exposes Hitler as Father of Israel”
 
“Behind the Holocaust”
 
“Memorial and Veterans Day Hypocrisy”
 
“Stop Use of the Military Against Unions and Workers in US”
 
“Last Post in Iraq: This Is The Death Knell Of The American Empire”
 
“The Wars – We Paid The Price, They Reaped The Benefits”
 
“Military Should “Just Say No” To Iran Attack”
 
“They Died in Vain – Deal With It”
 
“War Resisters Inject Truth into Military Recruitment”
 
Maybe “Veterans Today” would like to come by my local VFW hall to discuss their opinions one Saturday night?  I’m sure the members would give them their undivided attention.  The “Veterans Today” staff should call the hall ahead of time to let us know they are coming, so we can have the tar boiling and the chicken feathers freshly plucked.
 
 
 

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Re: Here is a true American! Our country should be proud of men like him.
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2012, 03:10:43 AM »
........and why 911 Believers like yourself are in a minority today.
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Based on most responses to your claim, I know your wrong.

.....You're anti-gentilism is showing__just forgetaboutit.  ::) .
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What about somebodies, virulent anti - Semitism? Should we just "forgetaboutit" too?

I posted this article from Duff for Dale, as a back beat to his belief/mythology about Kyle...just some more information to consider, and you want to grandstand and to turn this into a crucifixion of Duff, Ventura, veteran'stoday.com and me....LOL, dude . Speaking for myself,,,I would never dowhat Kyle claims he did, I knew this about myself from a very young age as a Christian,,,,you or any other whacko just wouldn't ever be able convince me to shoot a woman carrying a grenade from 2000ft.  That kind of black magic doesn't work on me....  find another sucker.
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Re: Here is a true American! Our country should be proud of men like him.
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2012, 04:46:44 AM »
I believe the OP was: "Here is a true American! Our country should be proud of men like him." My comment was pertaining to your sources, and reply.

Thanks for your understanding nature. ;D
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2012, 05:23:53 AM »
OSR they don't want understanding its all about agendas ............
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Re: Here is a true American! Our country should be proud of men like him.
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2012, 06:21:57 AM »
Something I have heard.  The special Operations people are not real happy about this guy, and a few others.   They have gotten out ot the service, and written books about the operations, and the things they do.  This is stuff that does not need to be talked about, it helps the enemy to get an idea on what to expect.  Gives the enemy a means to build better defenses against our troops.

To me, him writing his book borders on being treasonous.  Rog
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Re: Here is a true American! Our country should be proud of men like him.
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2012, 10:34:34 AM »
It's a good thing for a couple of people that Matt runs this place, and not me.
Yeah? How so? Do you have a recommendation?
I'm just saying.   ::)
Just saying... what?

OT.. where did this I'm just sayin' business come from? Wasn't that a line from a Seinfeld episode? Seems it's often employed for throwing out arguments, while at the same time distancing ones' self from the argument.
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2012, 11:04:13 AM »
  Yep; Veterans Today ...looks like an ALTERNATIVE new site..An ALTERNATIVE to the truth.
 
  Even some veterans go bad..it was a Marine veteran who was just given 25 years for shooting up the Pentagon and the marine museum.... a veteran turned Muslim..   Makes one wonder what the spiritual stance of Duff and his gang is.  Is it remotely possible that he is a Muslim convert ?
 
  It is an interesting situation where a SEAL is performing 'overwatch' for a Marine squad, but it apparently happens.  My grandson as one of 2 appointed snipers for his Spec Ops Marine unit, had overwatch as a regular duty.
 
  Sourdough is correct..elite units do NOT like being identified either as a unit or individuals..that is why SEAL team 6 is disgusted with the prez, since he used their unit's designation for political purposes..possibly endangering the team's families.
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      Some people condemn snipers..but they do it out of ignorance..
 
#1  It takes a special, mature, spiritually settled, person to be one.
 
#2  It takes a very brave person to be a sniper; often he/she may well engage with another sniper.. which is a "high noon" moment...only ONE walks away.
 
#3 He/she also must be brave, because the more successful ones often get a "price" put on their heads, and any sniper suffers badly if captured, especially with the barbarians we are engaging now.
 
#4 As Bilmac said, a sniper's impact is all out of proportion with his numbers...militarily, that is called a "force multiplier" a very nice weapon for any military unit !
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Re: Here is a true American! Our country should be proud of men like him.
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2012, 11:12:23 AM »
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I reckon because he didn't like the article and so chose to trash Duff, Ventura, veteran'stoday.com, me or anybody remotely connected with that article using the usual anti-semitic rant.

 
 
 
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2012, 11:36:02 AM »
  The militant Islamist groups do use Gordon Duff as a backup source for their propaganda, here the Muslim Brotherhood, now hardening their dictatorship in Egypt:  http://www.ikhwanweb.com/search.php?writer=By%20Gordon%20Duff&search=1
 
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Re: Here is a true American! Our country should be proud of men like him.
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2012, 12:21:43 PM »
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that is why SEAL team 6 is disgusted with the prez, since he used their unit's designation for political purposes..possibly endangering the team's families.

 
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