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Handi .356 Winchester.....a reality (UPDATED PAGE 2)
« on: February 07, 2012, 06:49:11 AM »
The 18 inch .356 is finished and boresighted.  I'll put it on paper after lunch.

I want to thank Dinny for the inspiration and load info, jeepmann1948 for trading barrels and doing the work, cwlongshot for the stock set and boatboy for the frame.  Patty traded the barrel for the one jeepman traded me.  The rifle's a little beauty and turned out fine. 

I've got too much ice here to do more than just put it on paper this afternoon.  I'll post a range report as soon as I can.  I'm going to compare factory ammo to my own reloads.

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Re: Handi .356 Winchester.....a reality
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2012, 08:44:36 AM »
Sure is a beauty Pete. Looks like the ol' dog snuck in the pic too. ;D
 
 
 
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2012, 09:26:04 AM »
Spanky, the old dog is indeed old.  He's a neat old man.  The cage is for his younger brat "brother" not in the pic.  Keeps him from chewing everything in the house while we're gone.  He goes in by himself with a blanket and  toy and seems to like it. ::)

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Re: Handi .356 Winchester.....a reality
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2012, 10:19:53 AM »
Cool rig Pete!!
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2012, 10:35:55 AM »
GREAT NEWS PETER!!!
 
OK OK, enough of the
 
Where is the targets? ???

 We have been waiting with nearly uyour enthusisam...
 
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Re: Handi .356 Winchester.....a reality
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2012, 10:36:53 AM »
GREAT NEWS PETER!!!!! 
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2012, 10:42:23 AM »
CW, sorry for covering up your beautiful stock, but I do like the Allen cartridge holders.  The scope is just another 4x32 Bushnell Banner on medium Burris Zee rings.  I forgot to mention, according to the book, the 200 gr. Hornady is supposed to be doing 2550 fps.  We'll see.

Put on your ice skates and come on out and shoot it.  I haven't done anything else, but I have found out it goes BANG with authority ;)

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Re: Handi .356 Winchester.....a reality
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 11:30:25 AM »
Looks like a goodern' Pete.  Now you just have to figure out how you're gonna' carry six guns when you go hunting.  I've got the same issue.......... ;D
 
We await with eagerness the range report.
 
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2012, 11:43:20 AM »
Looks great - really well proportioned with the 18" barrel. Look forward to a performance report. Congratulations on a super rifle. ;D
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Re: Handi .356 Winchester.....a reality
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2012, 11:51:58 AM »
Pete,
  That rifle is a thing of beauty! You will really like the "authority" of the .356 Win. Mine is starting to show a preference for 250gr bullets. Sure wish I had time to shoot it more..... :(  But I'm stuck down in Tigerland for the next 20+ days.


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Re: Handi .356 Winchester.....a reality
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2012, 11:52:58 AM »
THAT OUGHT TO GET THEIR ATTENTION!! :)
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2012, 12:06:50 PM »
Congrats Pete, now ya got me thinkin I need a 358 Win, thanks a lot!  :-X

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2012, 12:17:10 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on February 07, 2012, 12:06:50 PM
Congrats Pete, now ya got me thinkin I need a 358 Win, thanks a lot!  :-X

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The plague is spreading! ;D


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Re: Handi .356 Winchester.....a reality
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2012, 12:23:42 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on February 07, 2012, 12:06:50 PM
Congrats Pete, now ya got me thinkin I need a 358 Win, thanks a lot!  :-X

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Tim,
Pete's 356 will also shoot 358's... Just sayin'   ;)   Mine (when its done) will too!!  ::) 
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2012, 12:24:33 PM »
It was only in remission for me, had it for a loooonnng time!  ;D I have no need to shoot both, the 358 Win will be fine.  ;)

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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2012, 12:29:25 PM »
For some odd reason mine doesn't like .358 brass. I tried about 20 different pieces mixed with fire-formed and factory brass. It could just be a touchy extractor... :-\


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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2012, 12:57:05 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on February 07, 2012, 12:24:33 PM
It was only in remission for me, had it for a loooonnng time!  ;D I have no need to shoot both, the 358 Win will be fine.  ;)

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I was gonna post something about "Rim Envy" but maybe its the opposite.. "Rim-O- Fobic"  LOL...  :o ::) ::) ::)
 
I am REALLY getting excited about mine now... the barrel should be here late this week. Now I gotta rent the reamer... Then get the extractor work done.
 
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2012, 01:01:45 PM »
Not gonna mention all you folks with rimmed OCD.  ::) ;D

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2012, 01:18:12 PM »
Got it looking very nice there Pete,hope you do not let a little cool wet weather keep you from checking it out. Do me a favor . fill a milk jug with water , let it freeze and shoot it for effect please
Hope you enjoy it  ;D
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2012, 01:23:45 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on February 07, 2012, 01:01:45 PM
Not gonna mention all you folks with rimmed OCD.  ::) ;D

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2012, 01:25:03 PM »
Quote from: -Dinny on February 07, 2012, 12:29:25 PM
For some odd reason mine doesn't like .358 brass. I tried about 20 different pieces mixed with fire-formed and factory brass. It could just be a touchy extractor... :-\


Thanks, Dinny

Sound like it needs "tuning"...  ::)
 
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2012, 02:04:22 PM »
George, I love it.  Thank you again.  It ain't the cold or wet, ya can't strand up out there.  Rain on top of snow, melt, freeze, melt freeze.  Ya gotta wear ice grippers to get to the barn.....and then ya gotta be careful.  I've already got some jugs out there freezing.  Should be fun tomorrow. 

I really want to get her dialed in and see what she'll do.  I'm going to play with the .358s when my Sierra boat tails get here.  They're on backorder.  It'll give me time to get some brass.

Tim, it's good to see you bitten again with the disease.  Just look at how many of us you've managed to corrupt ::) ::)

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2012, 02:08:43 PM »
I know Pete, I almost feel guilty.....almost!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Geez Pete, if you weren't so old, maybe the cold and ice wouldn't bother ya, I know if'n you was as young as me, you'd a done been out there workin a load up!!

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2012, 03:04:03 PM »
BADA....boom.....  8) RIM SHOT ::)
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2012, 09:09:19 PM »
Well that rifle surely gets the heart a going beautiful specimen. Just out of curiosity Pete what kind of dog is that?

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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2012, 10:25:28 PM »
Dan, "Donor" is boxer/great dane/pit bull, about 100 lbs.  He's got a universal type of dog blood and gave a lot of it when he was young and living in an animal shelter.  He's a wonderful part of the family and terrific watch dog.  He's the only non-hunting dog we have.  The others are three Beagles and a Feist.

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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2012, 07:02:10 AM »
Ok, Pete and Dinny:

Give us the scoop on how these shoot.  Looking at some other pages, the 16 twist 35 rem barrel is a little slow for the heavier bullets(250gr).  Most are saying 12-14 twist gives the best over performance.

What ya'll say......... ;)   Kinda wantin/needin a 356/358 to shoot my Ranch Dogs in.

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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2012, 07:23:50 AM »
I don't believe in the 1:16" twist issue, you'll find shooters in both camps, but both my 35 Whelen H&Rs shoot 250gr just fine.  ;) Using the formula below, the Speer 250gr SP which is 1.230" long has a stability factor of 1.511 at 1500fps, it's one of the 250gr bullets I've shot in my RMEF Whelen.

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Calculates the Miller stability factor. This formula was derived by Don Miller and published in Precision Shooting. This formula is much better than the antiquated Greenhill's formula. Stability value should be in the range of 1.3 to 2.0 to ensure bullet stability. Don Miller and Dave Brennan (editor of Precision Shooting) have also been kind enough to let me host his stability paper on my exterior ballistics bibliograpy page. The paper is titled A New Rule for Estimating Rifling Twist An Aid to Choosing Bullets and Rifles.
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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2012, 07:45:27 AM »
Bobby, mine was reamed from a .357 extractor barrel a couple of years old.  I never checked its twist, but according to the FAQs it should be a 1 in 18 3/4 or 1 in 15 1/2.  I'm probably going to stick with the lighter 200 - 225 gr.pointed bullets for a higher velocity and flatter trajectory.  They're heavy enough for anything that wanders Michigan......two or four legged. ::)

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2012, 07:46:54 AM »
Quote from: petemi on February 08, 2012, 07:45:27 AM
...  They're heavy enough for anything that wanders Michigan......two or four legged. ::)

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Bigfoots, eh!!!  ;D

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