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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2012, 09:55:52 PM »
the .499 HE has only one issue, recoil.  Adding about 4 pounds to the Handi rifle should cure that "problem".  The price of conversion for a 50-140 compared to a .499HE is the tipping point for most. especially with the price of the dies added in.  By having the option of loading black (2Fg black powder) in the .499HE all other 50 cals seem to be in the also ran column.



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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2012, 06:10:33 AM »
Do I recall correctly that about 40-45ish ft.lb. of recoil is the 'typical' top level for normal humans to consider acceptable? Of course, we all know that there are a number of exceptional humans here on GBO  ;) .
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2012, 07:00:41 AM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on February 09, 2012, 05:57:17 PM
I can't get past the $283 die set,

Well, now you know why I jumped on that die set Tom (BikerBeans) found for me!   ;D   $63 delivered and poor ol' Tom did all the legwork!  What a guy!   ;)
 
We could always share the die set.   ???
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2012, 07:05:52 AM »
The good thing about those recoil numbers is that we control them.
The 50/140 has a history that was written by someone else. The 499 hubel history will be written by you.
Just feeling a little philosophical.   
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2012, 08:36:35 AM »
Quote from: briarpatch on February 10, 2012, 07:05:52 AM
The good thing about those recoil numbers is that we control them.
The 50/140 has a history that was written by someone else. The 499 hubel history will be written by you.
Just feeling a little philosophical.

Quote from: gcrank1 on February 10, 2012, 06:10:33 AM
Do I recall correctly that about 40-45ish ft.lb. of recoil is the 'typical' top level for normal humans to consider acceptable? Of course, we all know that there are a number of exceptional humans here on GBO  ;) .

Dunno about what's acceptable, I think the typical level for most is well below that, somewhere around what a 30-06 provides. For my purposes, 385gr at 2400fps in an 8lb gun, probably a little heavier actually, provides about the same recoil as a 10ga shotgun.

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http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp

http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_recoil_table.htm

 
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2012, 08:48:25 AM »
Quote from: AtlLaw on February 10, 2012, 07:00:41 AM
Quote from: quickdtoo on February 09, 2012, 05:57:17 PM
I can't get past the $283 die set,

Well, now you know why I jumped on that die set Tom (BikerBeans) found for me!   ;D   $63 delivered and poor ol' Tom did all the legwork!  What a guy!   ;)
 
We could always share the die set.   ???

That's a thought!! 8)

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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2012, 09:26:32 AM »
I might need to rent that die set one day.   Dang 45-120 keeps looking smaller everyday?!? ::)
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2012, 10:09:30 AM »
Hmmm, wonder if 50-90 dies would work for the 50-140 much the same as 357mag works for 357 Maximum?

Here's a pic of 450 NE #2, 45-120, 45-70 and 500S&W cases.

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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2012, 11:04:13 AM »
What a puny little thing that 500S&W is!
Regarding recoil, as I recall, 'they' say that a few repeat shots from a 3" 12 ga. is about all most want to feel (which is in that 10ga range, isnt it?) in a light platform like the H&Rs. I know my Buck barreled 12 smooth slugger is a vicious kicking beast.....and I go 6'1" x 205ish.; but I admit to being a 'sensitive fellow in touch with my gentler side'. Ive even been know to wear a pink shirt in public while eating quiche  ;) .
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2012, 11:13:04 AM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on February 10, 2012, 10:09:30 AM
Hmmm, wonder if 50-90 dies would work for the 50-140 much the same as 357mag works for 357 Maximum?

Here's a pic of 450 NE #2, 45-120, 45-70 and 500S&W cases.

Tim

My 45-70 FL Die wouldn't work on my 45-120 brass the first time.  Had to get one full length resize with the 45-120 die and the after that the 45-70 die would "neck" size the fire 45-120 brass, well accept for a couple of cases that might have been a bit hot. :o
 
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2012, 11:45:31 AM »
Quote from: bikerbeans on February 10, 2012, 11:13:04 AM
Quote from: quickdtoo on February 10, 2012, 10:09:30 AM
Hmmm, wonder if 50-90 dies would work for the 50-140 much the same as 357mag works for 357 Maximum?

Here's a pic of 450 NE #2, 45-120, 45-70 and 500S&W cases.

Tim

My 45-70 FL Die wouldn't work on my 45-120 brass the first time.  Had to get one full length resize with the 45-120 die and the after that the 45-70 die would "neck" size the fire 45-120 brass, well accept for a couple of cases that might have been a bit hot. :o
 
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With the top cut off the 50-90(499HE) die it might just work tho, size the bottom of the case with the short die and the top with an unmodified 50-90 die, 50-90 3-die sets are ~$50.  8)

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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2012, 03:49:29 PM »
quick, just because you people have some bad weather out there doesnt mean you have to shoot it to the east coast!!    john
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2012, 06:31:52 AM »
I just got a reply from Johan, the ballistician at Accurate Arms/Ramshot, he confirmed my AA5744 load predicted by Quickload is a good one for the 22" barrel!!  ;D

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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2012, 01:46:09 PM »
Got the barrel back from Ed this morning, made an extractor for it, annealed and sized 20 rounds of brass, made a dummy round with a 385gr Rem to check the extractor which works great, all I need to do now is figure out what scope to put on it for range work and load up some ammo, here's a pic of the dummy round with some brethren big bore rounds.  ;)

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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2012, 02:19:34 PM »
I've got some Bullseye powder if you got a super slow motion video camera. ;D
 
Looks great Tim, can't wait for the range report.
 
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2012, 02:23:00 PM »
Makes my shoulder hurt and eyes roll just looking at the pictures ;D ::) One thing for sure it should handle Bigfoot if you ever come across him!
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2012, 02:40:04 PM »
Gooooulll eeeeeeeee! You gona hunt efelents with that? :o
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2012, 03:35:43 PM »
I would suggest a long eye relief scope mounted near the front sight  ::)  :o
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2012, 03:45:10 AM »
Talk about blood trail. It will not be hard to track YOU! ;D
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2012, 04:51:04 AM »
L E A D  S L E D !!! ;D
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2012, 05:58:08 AM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on March 04, 2012, 04:51:04 AM
L E A D  S L E D !!! ;D


Ok, so I can inform the shoulder doctor that his services will not be needed  ;D




Seriously though, range report please.



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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2012, 09:17:55 AM »
Decided to stick with what works, the Nikon Prostaff 2-7x32 shotgun scope has worked well with the 500S&W for about 200 rounds so far, so I put it back on but changed the base to a Warne picantiny, I think the Leupold PRWs will work fine on a good base. I also marked the barrel this morning, almost forgot to do that before I mounted the scope!  ::) :-[ ???

Range report as soon as the weather cooperates!!  ;)

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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2012, 04:40:51 PM »
Shot it today finally, didn't get all of the loads shot, only about half of em, still have a lot of powder to burn in it, the last group was a little over an inch at 2001fps and each successive group has been smaller which is encouraging, that's less than half the size of the best group that barrel ever did as a 500S&W with any bullet, so the reduced pressure of the 499HE has some merit, although it's at the cost of increased recoil.  ;)

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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2012, 06:48:01 PM »
stands up and barks eh??  8)
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Re: 499 Hubel Express
« Reply #54 on: June 15, 2012, 12:14:31 AM »
When you consider the bullets are 1/2 inch in diameter that 1 " group is a very nice one!!
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Re: 499 Hubel Express.... Range Report
« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2012, 04:54:56 AM »
When I get the best load nailed down, I'll shoot a 3-shot group, shooting 2-shot groups during load work saves a lot of powder and wear & tear on the gun.....and me, even in the leadsled it really kicks with me behind it. One thing I noticed is the report, compared to the 376 Steyr, it's a very big bore boom instead of a bang, even my wife could tell the distinct difference when I shot it! This is something I never noticed when shooting it as a 500S&W.

Thanks,

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Re: 499 Hubel Express....Range Report!!!
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2012, 04:35:26 AM »
Almost a month and no more info?!  >:(

We NEED video of the beast.
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Re: 499 Hubel Express....Range Report!!!
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2012, 07:53:49 AM »
Patience grasshoppa.  ;)

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Re: 499 Hubel Express....Range Report!!!
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2012, 07:39:47 PM »
patience HE hockey sticks I wanna kill something


er um make that a range report   ;D
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Re: 499 Hubel Express....Range Report!!!
« Reply #59 on: July 12, 2012, 07:36:23 AM »
I checked the case capacity of the fire formed rounds, looks like I have lots more rounds to shoot to reach my max velocity and pressure goal, about 10grs more to be exact, the estimated case capacity was 152.5gr H20, it's actually 165.6gr, so more powder is needed.

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