Author Topic: Santorum wins big, Ron Paul moves up.. (Read 8155 times)

ironglow · « **on:** February 07, 2012, 05:13:38 PM »

Looks like the midwest has spoken..they love Rick Santorum; and they have a place in their heart for Ron Paul..
Good shakeup !

nomosendero · « **Reply #1 on:** February 07, 2012, 05:15:23 PM »

Indeed

BUGEYE · « **Reply #2 on:** February 08, 2012, 12:29:42 AM »

I hope Santorum can continue to win big.

ironglow · « **Reply #3 on:** February 08, 2012, 01:12:38 AM »

WhooHoo..
A trifecta for the very low budget Santorum team..and Ron Paul outpoints some of the big guys. Tim Pawlenty was supposed to "feather the bed" of Minnesota for Romney.
Obviously social & cultural conservatism is is alive and well..at least in the heartland ! Do you suppose Barry chose the wrong time to breach the first amendment and attack Christians with over reaching 'Obamacare' mandates ?

teamnelson · « **Reply #4 on:** February 08, 2012, 01:45:03 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on February 08, 2012, 01:12:38 AM

Do you suppose Barry chose the wrong time to breach the first amendment and attack Christians with over reaching 'Obamacare' mandates ?

To the liberal, the timing is perfect; it demonstrates their guy is using his office to force opponents to their agenda to bend their necks. Given the RCC has called for pulpit lecture series on the issue from every pulpit in the US, I expect public outcry over this flagrant violation of the 1st Amendment - and so-called "separation of church and state" - will grow, as will the anti-life voices. Its a polarizing issue.

But it is only one issue, and as significant as it is, its also a distracting issue in that this election could very well hinge on it for many people. I am concerned that a pro-life anti-gun progressive like Romney might get the GOP nomination solely on the basis of this issue, and I expect him to use that issue to try to recover after Santorum's sweep. I for one am happy to see Romney lose - I don't think he's a true conservative, and I'd like to see the GOP break out of an "anybody but Obama" mentality, and get hopeful on the issues again. Fortunately, we have several pro-life candidates in the running, so we have the liberty to look at all the other issues as well.

Swampman · « **Reply #5 on:** February 08, 2012, 02:30:30 AM »

Winning and moving up when it doesn't count for anything at all doesn't mean much.

A "true conservative" cannot be elected.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #6 on:** February 08, 2012, 02:48:11 AM »

Well, finally this campaign may get somewhat interesting instead of the clown show it has been so far for the most part. Maybe we will see Romney sweat a bit which wouldn't hurt, he was getting to confident.
GuzziJohn

BBF · « **Reply #7 on:** February 08, 2012, 05:00:53 AM »

Hmm, how many delegates did Santorum get from those two States??

Ranch13 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 08, 2012, 05:17:19 AM »

Quote from: BBF on February 08, 2012, 05:00:53 AM

Hmm, how many delegates did Santorum get from those two States??

Looks like he picked up a minimum of 28, could go higher depending on how Colorado's congressional district count goes. Also positioned well to pick up delegates when Missouri starts the caucus procedure next month.
Right now Romney looks to still be in first , 107, Santorum #2 with 43, Gingrich #3 with 32 and Paul really churning and burning with 9

Swampman · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2012, 05:27:08 AM »

Quote from: BBF on February 08, 2012, 05:00:53 AM

Hmm, how many delegates did Santorum get from those two States??

The ones that he got are nonbinding.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #10 on:** February 08, 2012, 05:34:35 AM »

Quote from: BBF on February 08, 2012, 05:00:53 AM

Hmm, how many delegates did Santorum get from those two States??

fly over states , who cares is somes attitude

Ranch13 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2012, 05:46:07 AM »

Swamp, none of the delegates are particularly binding. Plus they still haven't resolved the part about Florida's winner take all, according to the rules set out by the RNC there are no winner takes all until after April first, so romneys count will likely drop by 20 or more when they reapportion the Florida delegates.
This thing is far from over.

ironglow · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2012, 05:46:11 AM »

Yes, some of those delegates are "non binding", but if Santorum & Paul make it to the convention still contesting Romney..honor says the delegates almost have to stick with those who the people chose..at least throuigh a first ballot.

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2012, 04:30:03 PM »

Romney is by far the worst candidate running so anytime he loses it's a good thing.

teamnelson · « **Reply #14 on:** February 09, 2012, 02:18:07 AM »

Does make me wonder if we're seeing a split growing in the RNC ... the so-called flyover states seem to have a more conservative voter base than the so-called big states. In many ways the GOP has succumbed to the big-government ideology, and has forgotten that us little people are quite capable of making up our own minds on the issues, thank you very much. If this keeps up, we may see a functional "3rd party" from within the RNC, and not necessarily around Ron Paul.

Swampman · « **Reply #15 on:** February 09, 2012, 02:55:15 AM »

You have to win the big states to get the nomination. I'm hoping those who know they can't win drop out soon, so money will stop being wasted on them.

Ranch13 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2012, 03:25:47 AM »

Team Nelson, that's exactly why the primary was set up the way it is. Last time with the open primary states of the east, got hit with a rash of democrats and so called independents, that swung the nomination to Mc Cain before the bulk of the country had any say. Had the rules of been left as they were we wouldn't have a choice other than Romney by now. As it is this could very well end up a brokered convention, and chances are really good the nominee won't be Romney.
The talking heads and inside the beltway elite forgot about the statement sent in the 2010 elections, but the folks on the ground did not.....

ironglow · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2012, 03:45:16 AM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on February 09, 2012, 02:18:07 AM

Does make me wonder if we're seeing a split growing in the RNC ... the so-called flyover states seem to have a more conservative voter base than the so-called big states. In many ways the GOP has succumbed to the big-government ideology, and has forgotten that us little people are quite capable of making up our own minds on the issues, thank you very much. If this keeps up, we may see a functional "3rd party" from within the RNC, and not necessarily around Ron Paul.

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TeamNelson;
I am completely cognizant of the completely cavalier way in which the Republican party is treating conservative formerly Republican voters throughout the nation. Yes, I see a split developing and perhaps it is time it happened, knowing the Republicans be running the senate right now, had they backed O'Donnel in NJ and Angle in NV !
However, we need to keep emotions in check; as I have been saying for years now, we must make our move long before the general election and back proper candidates with work and funds in order to gain ground. To simply smash the Republican party, leaving a vacuum will only hand our government to the liberals..at this point, it would be left in the hands of Marxists !
If we put the work and funds where our mouths are, we can still pull this out.
Remember: if we abdicate to the Marxists now...the Marxists get to appoint a couple more to SCOTUS..spelling the effective destruction of America ! Our children and grandchildren would thank us... probably with as much love and fondness we have for the Koolaid drinkers who put the commies in office in 2008..

Ranch13 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2012, 04:04:32 AM »

And as always, it's important who's in the oval office, but probably more important is who do you send to DC as your Senator or House Representative. Those two places are where the legislation comes from, the senate is where the judge confirmations happen. The Supreme Court justices have a big impact, but the lower federal courts who's judges are nominated by the president and confirmed by the senate will have a bigger determination on how many rulings the Supreme Court gets a shot at.....
In other words it all starts at the local level... right from the county commissioners,city councel, schoolboard, and right on up.

dukkillr · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2012, 06:18:33 AM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on February 09, 2012, 02:18:07 AM

Does make me wonder if we're seeing a split growing in the RNC ... the so-called flyover states seem to have a more conservative voter base than the so-called big states. In many ways the GOP has succumbed to the big-government ideology, and has forgotten that us little people are quite capable of making up our own minds on the issues, thank you very much. If this keeps up, we may see a functional "3rd party" from within the RNC, and not necessarily around Ron Paul.

I wondered this aloud on Sept 16th, 2010 here:
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php?topic=215920.30

It was in response to an interview between a Waco Tea Party leader and a spokesperson for the American Family Association. The point was about whether the Tea Party could remain a single issue gathering point for people, such as me, who want less government intervention in our lives, or if it would corrupted into simply becoming the far right wing of the Republican party.

I'm a registered Republican, and have been all my life. I grew up believing that Republicans believed in less government meddling in our lives. I no longer believe that. Republicans today believe in different meddling in our lives, not less. They're fine with government as long as it's forcing their agenda. I'll vote third party if I believe it will bring about a long term change in the government vs liberty dynamic. I'll do so regardless of short term consequence, because I don't plan to be an American for just the short term.

Swampman · « **Reply #20 on:** February 09, 2012, 08:12:26 AM »

The thing is, there aren't enough conservative voters to matter. They don't care what we think because they don't need to. The country is becoming more liberal everyday and that's not going to change.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #21 on:** February 09, 2012, 09:56:51 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 09, 2012, 08:12:26 AM

The thing is, there aren't enough conservative voters to matter. They don't care what we think because they don't need to. The country is becoming more liberal everyday and that's not going to change.

you make a good point. which also makes the point that I've preached since 2008.
nothing will change unless it's by force.

Swampman · « **Reply #22 on:** February 09, 2012, 11:12:00 AM »

I tend to agree and we ain't there yet but we will be sooner or later.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #23 on:** February 09, 2012, 07:28:06 PM »

Quote from: dukkillr on February 09, 2012, 06:18:33 AM

Quote from: TeamNelson on February 09, 2012, 02:18:07 AM
Does make me wonder if we're seeing a split growing in the RNC ... the so-called flyover states seem to have a more conservative voter base than the so-called big states. In many ways the GOP has succumbed to the big-government ideology, and has forgotten that us little people are quite capable of making up our own minds on the issues, thank you very much. If this keeps up, we may see a functional "3rd party" from within the RNC, and not necessarily around Ron Paul.
I wondered this aloud on Sept 16th, 2010 here:
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php?topic=215920.30

It was in response to an interview between a Waco Tea Party leader and a spokesperson for the American Family Association. The point was about whether the Tea Party could remain a single issue gathering point for people, such as me, who want less government intervention in our lives, or if it would corrupted into simply becoming the far right wing of the Republican party.

I'm a registered Republican, and have been all my life. I grew up believing that Republicans believed in less government meddling in our lives. I no longer believe that. Republicans today believe in different meddling in our lives, not less. They're fine with government as long as it's forcing their agenda. I'll vote third party if I believe it will bring about a long term change in the government vs liberty dynamic. I'll do so regardless of short term consequence, because I don't plan to be an American for just the short term.

Same here!I have always been a reg. Republican, and like you, up until last election have been holding my nose and voting for someone who has voiced smaller government, but when elected, created more.As long as we keep voting these RINO'S to office just to beat a Democrat, we will only continue to lose ground.We all lose.One adm. sets it up for the next with more federal control..........Such as the Patriot Act, and the next one uses it to take more of our freedoms away.I'm tired of being played for a sucker!

Swampman · « **Reply #24 on:** February 09, 2012, 11:58:53 PM »

So your plan is to reelect Obama? Let me know how that works for you. I'd just stay home and not vote. You'll accomplish the same goal.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #25 on:** February 10, 2012, 01:41:00 AM »

I hate to say this, but we may have to vote the lessor of two evils for president, just because of the supreme court justice situation. What we need to do is vote in libertarians to local and regional offices to get a big enough base to create the change we need. Then we can have the base to support a third party. Otherwise only someone rich enough can compete in all 50 states as a 3rd party. I've looked at Santorium's record. He is pro gun and definately pro life, and pro traditional marriage. I am too, but maybe Ron Paul is right, leave it up to the states to decide and keep the big government out of these issues. However his other issues are similar to Bush's. If he would get on the gold standard bandwagon and stay out of non-declared wars, and close down unnecessary bases overseas he might help unite the Republican party.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #26 on:** February 10, 2012, 02:19:46 AM »

Voting for the lesser of two evils is what got us where we are today! And as far as supreme appointments go....the two rinos everyone has been fawning over will appoint new ones just aas bad as Obama would.

Looks like the republican party needs to be spanked with four more of the O'boy in order to make them understand that they need to run a real conservative instead more of the same.

Swampman · « **Reply #27 on:** February 10, 2012, 02:31:57 AM »

Voting for someone who can't win is what go us where we are today. Spoilers like Ron Paul got Obama elected.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #28 on:** February 10, 2012, 02:46:23 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 10, 2012, 02:31:57 AM

Voting for someone who can't win is what go us where we are today. Spoilers like Ron Paul got Obama elected.

No Swampy, the ones who can't win are the rinos. They can't out liberal the liberals, but they keep trying.

The REAL problem is the gutless wonders who won't stand up to their party and vote for a man who believes in and is willing to fight for the constitution, Instead they want their part of the government handout so much they will vote for anyone who offers it to them.

They will get what they deserve, either four more, or four of something that's the same. Ever wonder why the founders didn't go with "King Washington"? Aside from the fact that he had too much moral character to allow it, they didn't want another king..........neither do real conservatives.

So what's it going to be? Four more.............four of the same with a rino........or tell the party it's time to change? Courage or cowardice? (and I just know some of you will try to redefine even that!)

Ranch13 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 10, 2012, 02:58:49 AM »

Cut's you've got a Senator there in Iowa that is about as liberal as they get... The question becomes what have YOU done to unseat that senator, so the rest of us don't have to put up with him? You haven't had a governor in years that doesn't lean way left....
Were you working the leo occupation when they passed the 100k cops thing that spent billions of dollars to buy votes under somewhat false and dubious pretences?