Watchout Big Oil__Police Dept converts to HOH

[TM7]

Honea Path Police Dept converts to hydrogen__water for gas system> HOH, to supplement gas consumption , now may convert all city vehicles...Mayor will put on his personal car...fyi....TM7
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[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/MUgUF5M3FTI[/embed]

 
 

[dukkillr]

If it weren't for that damn Chemistry degree I have...
 
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/4276846
 
Actually it would, I guess, be possible to receive some benefit based on the idea that the electricity powering this rig might otherwise be wasted (because your car battery has a full charge, and the radio, headlights, dash, etc aren't drawing enough power to offset.  The problem is that the laws of thermodynamics would tell you you're better off simply using that excess electricity to run the car directly.  The water part is just an inefficient gimmick designed to prey on the weaknesses of the perpetual energy TFHers.

[SHOOTALL]

all the con men got run out of solar power 

[dukkillr]

I think they're claiming 6 extra mpg on that SUV,,,and just the initial hook up expense.
 
..TM7

They can claim they've tapped into the secret power of the tooth fairy too...

[dukkillr]

I think they're claiming 6 extra mpg on that SUV,,,and just the initial hook up expense.
 
..TM7

They can claim they've tapped into the secret power of the tooth fairy too...

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Better draft a letter to the Mayor of Honea Path and tell him he's being conned...taxpayers too... ....
btw,,last couple of sentences of you Pop Mec article were interesting.....let's hope for more progress in this area...probably makes more sense than ethanol once worked out....
 
..TM7
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It was.  But you have to compare apples to apples.  If you're going to alter the mixture in your engine, you need to also figure out what the implications are in doing that w/o H2.  If you are going to add H2 gas or other forms of Hydrogen into the mix you need to account for where that energy comes from.  Simply put, you get the same energy out of splitting water as you do combining it, plus you lose energy in the transfer process.  I didn't make the rules.
 
I couldn't care less what the Mayor thinks or does, he's not spending my tax dollars.  Should the Mayor of Spring Hill be reading: please send me a PM before trying this on our vehicles.  There's some things you need to know.

[blind ear]

fairy tail, physics dictate the limits just as Duckkillr said. ear

[lakota]

I have a Mr. Fusion home fusion reactor on my car. Last time I checked it was pumping out 1.21 Jigawatts of electricty!

[dukkillr]

I have a Mr. Fusion home fusion reactor on my car. Last time I checked it was pumping out 1.21 Jigawatts of electricty!

Paid for with your uncanny ability at sports betting?

[lakota]

I have a Mr. Fusion home fusion reactor on my car. Last time I checked it was pumping out 1.21 Jigawatts of electricty!

Paid for with your uncanny ability at sports betting?

 

[dukkillr]

If you are adding H2 gas from some other outside source it is not a question for the First Law of Thermodynamics.  Thats what fuel cells and hydrogen cars do.  But to take into consideration the impact those systems have, you must account for how the H2 came to be there. 
 
Again, not the same as this "water" system where the energy used to make the Hydrogen gas comes from the gas combustion.  That gas combustion then creates (through the alternator) electricity that splits the water molecules.  That energy does not result in a 100% transfer, indeed no engine has ever resulted in a 100% transfer.  So energy is lost in the process of splitting the H2, and again in the combustion of the H2.  One can remove a wasteful step and simply use the excess energy from the alternator to help power the car.  That is, in essence, what the H2 is doing, but by eliminating the middle step.  This is how the gas/electric hybrids work on a smaller, less efficient, scale.
 
There is no free energy in life, ever.  This is not an exception.

[Conan The Librarian]

Thank you dukkillr! The voice of reason and science. It always amazes me that these old con games keep re-appearing every twenty years or so.
 
The original post makes a good "your tax dollars at work" story.
 
 

[Conan The Librarian]

Same rhetoric as all previous renditions of this scam. Yes, they are effectively lying, or at least they have been duped into wanting to believe an improvement that isn't really there. For a cop car, that would be an increase of about 50% in fuel economy, and when you consider the enormous amounts of energy needed to convert water to hydrogen, that kind of gain just ain't happening. For most other cars it's maybe 25 to 30% improvement. That ain't happening either.
 
 

[blind ear]

Jump on it TM7, buy one and try it out. All of them that I have seen make claims that I saw purchaced did nothing. ear

[hunt-m-up]

Did they purchase this system from RONCO? At least tell me they threw in a couple of free dehydrators.

[JBlk]

I worked with a man in California in the eighties that was driving a Dodge Dart with a slant six motor.He had a device called a water injector installed on his vehicle and it boosted his gas mileage by several miles to the gallon.I expect that it was the extra oxygen supplied to the burning fuel as the water suddenly evaporated in the intense heat.If you have noticed, your car always runs better on a rainy day.There is also a inventor in India who found that by making a shallow groove in the heads from the center to the edge that a dramatic increase of fuel economy and horsepower is acheived.Several mechanics have used his methods on small engines that have stated that the concept is a valid one.Mercedes also had a three cylinder diesel super hot engine that out performed their five cylinder engine with much better fuel economy.Not all of these inventions are frauds or mis representations.many of these patents are owned by parties who do not use them to insure their own income.Nicole Tesla had a electric vehicle that drew its power out of the air.What do you suppose that type of problems would cause our taxing bodies and fuel distributors.

[blind ear]

I worked with a man in California in the eighties that was driving a Dodge Dart with a slant six motor.He had a device called a water injector installed on his vehicle and it boosted his gas mileage by several miles to the gallon.I expect that it was the extra oxygen supplied to the burning fuel as the water suddenly evaporated in the intense heat.If you have noticed, your car always runs better on a rainy day.There is also a inventor in India who found that by making a shallow groove in the heads from the center to the edge that a dramatic increase of fuel economy and horsepower is acheived.Several mechanics have used his methods on small engines that have stated that the concept is a valid one.Mercedes also had a three cylinder diesel super hot engine that out performed their five cylinder engine with much better fuel economy.Not all of these inventions are frauds or mis representations.many of these patents are owned by parties who do not use them to insure their own income.Nicole Tesla had a electric vehicle that drew its power out of the air.What do you suppose that type of problems would cause our taxing bodies and fuel distributors.

It was due to conversion to steam. Just a very fine spray nozzel jet.The devices were banned because they created a toxin that was released into the atmosphere. I was skeptical of that (the toxin) but never did any further research. ear

[mcwoodduck]

I think the main point is that no matter what gadget you add to the motor to extend milage NONE of these are a replacement for gasoline or diesel fuels to run our economy.  Be it water Pig Pee or solar energy.  All these do is extend milage they do nothing to increase production.
We need more Production.