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QDM Practices
« on: February 09, 2012, 08:07:16 AM »
Do any of the land owners here at GB use the Quality Deer Management Practices on their land?
 
What has been your experience with this program, and how have the deer that use your land changed with the implementation of these mangement practices?
 
I've done some of the corner stones of the QDM plan on our family property. This topic has some real hot button content...But I'd like some feedback and input from people that have implemented these practices.
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Re: QDM Practices
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2012, 10:04:20 AM »
I've been doing it for years on several places with varying degrees of success.  On my primary Kansas hunting place we have 4000 acres and good cooperation from neighbors.  We take 2-5 good to great bucks a year between my father and I and a couple of guest each year.  The property was unhunted when we started hunting 10 years ago so good bucks have always been available.  It's mostly just a matter of controlling your urges and those of the guests, and not shooting the first 120" 8 point that walks by.  In Kansas we can take 1 buck per hunter, regardless of weapon, and the rifle season is in early December after the rut.  The hunter culture is more receptive to quality management than the, "I got my buck" mindset you find in other places.  This year we took 4 bucks, two over 140, two high 130s, all bow, all 3.5 or older. 
 
In the closest family farm in Missouri we have had a complete disaster with respect to QDM.  We've tried, but the farmer and his kid just don't get it.  The property is also arranged in smaller pieces and odd shapes so there is more bordering pressure.  The biggest difference is that Missouri rifle hunts in the rut, and the culture is much more of a "point" style.  Hunters don't care if it's 110" 2.5 yo 8 point, it's still and 8 point, and it's gunna die!  Missouri went to a 4 point rule a few years back and you should have heard the howling from these types.  Despite it being quality ag ground with plenty of deer, a 140" buck is rare here, although the farmer killed a monster non-typical in the 190 range this year.  A 140 and a 125 were also killed there this year.  Typically 1 or fewer good bucks will be taken here, and 2-3 young bucks will also be killed.  I haven't hunted there in years.
 
Where I hunt in Missouri these days is 500 acres of swamp ground (WRP) that I am part owner of as a duck club.  4 of us hunt it, and we do QDM there as well, but the property is too small to have an impact, and the population is too great.  I saw 9 legal bucks on opening morning there this year, and it's nothing to see 30 or more deer during an all day hunt.  The problem is that with such a small property, the rut rifle season, and the "I got mine" Missouri mentality, it feels like a hopeless project.  We took 3 bucks there this year, one a weak 115 2.5 yo "mistake" deer.  A great busted up old buck that would be 155-165 if he had been intact, and an average 135ish 3.5 y/o with good genetics.  The neighbors killed 3 good young bucks that we know of, and one of our guys killed another.  It's an awful lot of pressure to put on next years bucks.  The habitat is fantastic but it holds an almost unmanagable number of deer. 
 
Don't get me started on the family farm in the Ozarks...  It's impossible to get anyone to even consider QDM down there...  It it's got more points than they've got teeth, it's dying.  And they don't have many teeth.
 
So my take from actively managing 4 different places over the last 10-20 years is this:  It MUST be big.  A few hundred acres isn't enough if the rifle season is during the rut, it would be otherwise.  Deer homerange in great habitat can be a few hundred acres, but those bucks wander during the rut.  It needs to be contiguous and big to make it work.  If you own that much ground, or can get the neighbors on board, great.  We make exceptions for kids and new hunters, but they amount to 1-2 deer a year, and we try to steer them towards does.  If you've got a couple hundred acres of mix ag or pasture ground, I'd say you're probably better off focusing on food plots or nutrition than you are on QDM.  Do what you can to hold does during the rut, to protect the young bucks as best you can.  Also try and get your state to work on a four point or similar rule.  It isn't perfect, but it's MUCH better than nothing.  If nothing else, it at least makes the, "I got my buck!" guys stop and think about points before they whack that 2.5 y/o 6 point at first light on opening morning of the rifle season.

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Re: QDM Practices
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2012, 10:54:12 AM »
I am a QDMA Member, routinely post on their web page, read their Journal religiously, try to kill a lot of does (for meat) rather than bucks, let BBucks and MOST young bucks walk, and practice a bunch of their Ag-principled food plotting techniques to entice more deer onto my tiny 20-acre hunting "Paradise" in E. Central FL.

Realistically, "antler hunting" in my area is akin to the reverse of Golf.  I don't play golf but when I tried, I thought that "breaking 100" would be a good day...hehe.   :o  Hunting deer on my place and breaking 100 inches of antler would be a Millennium Milestone day.  ;D  Hope Springs Eternal.  Collectively, we have killed over 500 hogs there though...

Breaking 100 HAS NEVER HAPPENED FOR ME on my FL property, although I can see there are one or two significant mature bucks (100+ possibles) that come at night (Trail Cams), and happened only once (I think - not scored) in 18 straight seasons on the 324 acres in SC that I hunt. 

After the 96-incher I got "officially scored" (how can I go on describing what to you guys is never going to be in your rifle sights) by my SC host, who is also the SCDNR Regional Wildlife Biologist, Keeper of the Book on Highest Scoring SC Bucks, and a friend to QDMA's Joe Hamilton as well as ALL of the QDMA Plank Owners, I shot only one that was bigger (but not very much bigger - antler wise).  They just do not frequent my daylight perseverance.

I have killed a plethora of does though!  Attempts to affect the Buck to doe ratio toward one to one is a cornerstone of QDMA where deer numbers are high and does significantly outnumber bucks.  How does one do that on 20-acres?  Or 324-acres?

Most of you are fortunate to live and hunt the forests and fields where Calcium is King, deer have to survive significantly worse winter weather, deer numbers per square mile are significantly higher, and the rut is defined, versus year round.

On another Forum I mused, what am I?  A deer hunter with significant opportunity to shoot hogs?  Or a hog hunter with limited opportunity to shoot deer?

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Re: QDM Practices
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2012, 11:23:01 AM »
As Duk said, you must have a big chunk of land and it's best to be controlled by one owner/leaser.  Even if you get the neighbors to agree, it's very hard to enforce. We tried to get this going before QDM was even a slogan.  Talked to all the neighbors, got agreement, all was good... Everyone wasn't shooting booner's after the first year and slowly the standards started dropping, in a couple years we were again shooting 1 1/2 yo 8pt'ers.  Luckily we are in a great area anyway, great genetics, farm land,  and have several large chunks of land, subdivision, golf course, etc where hunting is not allowed and it becomes a sanctuary during gun season.  Last 7 years have been earn-a-buck so that helped put some age on the bucks, but unfortunately our population took a big hit.  I have shot some dandy's in the last couple years and was blessed to crack one a hair off of 170 gross this fall, that has less that 2 1/2" deductions. So it's not too bad, and really I have no problem with landowners doing what they want with their property.
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Re: QDM Practices
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 05:16:28 AM »
Hey Thank you guys. I do appreciate the posts and the information that you have shared. I've been using QDM Practices for a few seasons on our family property, and I have seen positive changes.
 
I'm looking at land of my own and your experienced advice has helped to guide my selection. I'm now looking at larger plots of land and I have found a few that also have neighbors that are QDM proponents.
 
Again thank you for the posts.  8)
 
 
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Re: QDM Practices
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2012, 05:23:52 AM »
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A deer hunter with significant opportunity to shoot hogs?

Hey - a steady supply of organic, free range bacon isnt necessarily a bad thing.  One time, on a fishing trip up in northern Wisconsin, I was making small talk with an elderly local, and he told me the best species to fish for is the one that's biting.  Ive carried that philosophy with me ever since.  I might be fishing for walleye, but if the crappie are biting, I'm not gonna pass that up.  Last deer season was sort of a bust - my freezer was already full of doe meat, and I never did see a buck I wanted to shoot...so I had to settle for a couple curious coyotes.  Sometimes that's just how it goes.  Sorry to get off topic, but I figured I'd share my perspective on that.

As far as QDM, I don't have enough acreage to make it worth while.  The local herds wander across other small tracts neighboring us, and the only management those guys practice is "if its brown, its down."  I just try to make my place as an a attractive habitat as possible, focusing on native species and forages that aren't already common (already surrounded by corn and soybeans here).  As far as selection goes - if I need meat, I'll shoot a doe.  Otherwise, I'll sit and wait to see if a good size buck wanders my way.