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FBI Terrorist Alert: Beware of Those Who 'Reference the Constitution or Bible' By Mark Alexander · Thursday, February 9, 2012
 Memo to Ron Paul supporters -- and anyone else interested in restoring constitutional integrity
"Wherever the real power in a Government lies, there is the danger of oppression." --James Madison (1788)
The FBI held a press conference this week on a terrorist alert bulletin, which it sent to every federal, state and local law enforcement agency across the country. Unfortunately, that bulletin continued a trend of "terrorist profiles" issued since Barack Hussein Obama has been in office. This particular alert identified such broad ideological characteristics that it can be construed to include the activities of tens of millions of law-abiding Americans.
The FBI counterterrorism division report concluded that those who believe that our government has exceeded its constitutional limits or are protesting for restoration of constitutional integrity might pose a threat. By that definition, anyone associated with the "Tea Party movement" is suspect, and that's the problem with this sweeping and politically motivated "bureaucrap."
Make no mistake: There are some deadly anti-government socialist and fascist radicals in America. For example, consider the man who launched someone's political career in 1994 -- Obama mentor William Ayers, who was previously the leader of the Weathermen, a murderous group of radical "useful idiots." They bombed the U.S. Capitol twice, the Pentagon, the Department of State, several federal courthouses, plus state and local government buildings -- with intent to kill. Unfortunately, the FBI never assembled sufficient evidence to convict Ayers. (Lucky break for Obama's career!)
Or how about Obama's radical, racist, hate-spewing pastor, Jeremiah Wright? This is the man who married the Obamas and baptized their children; the same man who regularly sermonized about "the US-KKK-A" with assertions that "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color;" the man who said that the U.S. government "gives [black people] drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strikes law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, g-d d--- America!"
Does that constitute a threat to the government? The aforementioned FBI alert focused on the so-called "sovereign citizen" movement, which the FBI believes may have more than 500,000 members -- though it has no leaders, no membership roster, no organization at all. There is a "sovereign citizens" website which notes boldly, "We do NOT endorse non-payment of taxes or violence to achieve these changes. We do NOT endorse giving up a social security number and we do NOT endorse violence against the police or the government."
According to the FBI, some of those associated with this movement are engaged in crimes like underpaying taxes and other fraud, none of which should be classified as terrorism. According to a Reuters report on the press release, "Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 in 2011, FBI agents said."
We did the math, and that's an increase of eight convictions.
Meanwhile, more than 5,200 of Obama's Occupy movement radicals were arrested in 2011, many for violent offenses, and some of those directed at police.
This is not to say that the FBI didn't have reason to warn law enforcement agencies. In May of 2010, two sociopaths, one of whom had mentioned "sovereign citizen" on a website, murdered two Arkansas police officers. But why wait almost two years to issue the warning?
Now, I spent some years in law enforcement, and some of those devoted to counter-terrorism. I still hold a reserve national security position with the Department of Homeland Security and, as such, maintain threat currency and contacts with domestic counter-terrorism folks. I mention this to say I can assure you that most federal, state and local law enforcement personnel abide by their oath to "support and defend the Constitution" and are steadfastly accountable to that oath. In other words, they understand that broadly labeling as "terrorists" those who support constitutional limits on government is offensive to that oath.
However, we now have an established Obama-era pattern of applying such broad labels, which began in 2009 when the DHS Office of Intelligence and Analysis issued a report on "Right-Wing Extremism." It claimed that those who use terms including "patriot" or "constitutionalist," and "link their beliefs to those commonly associated with the American Revolution," are a threat. It even went so far as to identify returning war veterans as "potential threats."
  That report was so repulsive that it received a prompt rebuke from liberal Democrat Bennie Thompson, then chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, and Republican Peter King, its ranking member. Thompson wrote, "This report appears to raise significant issues involving the privacy and civil liberties of many Americans. ... Freedom of association and freedom of speech are guaranteed to all Americans. ... I am disappointed that the Department would allow this report to be disseminated to its State and local partners. ... I am dumbfounded that I&A released this report."
Thompson protested that the DHS report "blurred the line" between legal and illegal activity.
At the time, DHS spokesperson Amy Kudwa claimed the report was not finished and had been recalled: "This product is not, nor was it ever, in operational use." That notwithstanding, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano defended the report and insisted, "We do not -- nor will we ever -- monitor ideology or political beliefs. We take seriously our responsibility to protect the civil rights and liberties of the American people." (Trust her, she's from the government!)
However, such monitoring is not the contiguous prerogative of DHS, but that of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies. This is why the latest national alert issued by the FBI should raise many red flags with overseers in the House and Senate.
Here are some excerpts from the FBI bulletin: "This ... domestic terrorist movement, which, scattered across the United States, has existed for decades. ... They do not represent an anarchist group, nor are they a militia. ... They operate as individuals without established leadership and only come together in loosely affiliated groups to ... socialize and talk about their ideology. They may refer to themselves as 'constitutionalists.' ... Several indicators can help identify these individuals. References to the Bible, The Constitution of the United States, U.S. Supreme Court decisions, or treaties with foreign governments..." Those clips are taken out of context, but the problem with such broad profiles is that by the time they filter down through the channels, there are, inevitably, those who are not able to distinguish good from evil, or those whose political bias blinds them from such distinctions.
For example, shortly after DHS released its "Right-Wing Extremist" profile, I was contacted by Patriot readers, both officers and enlisted personnel, about a security exercise scenario at Ft. Knox. That scenario identified attackers as "Tea Party members" among "white supremacists" armed with "military grade weapons" and "bomb making components." (In fact, many military and law enforcement personnel identify with the Tea Party movement, which is why we were contacted by military readers.)
Within hours of posting that report, senior command staff at Ft. Knox contacted us and conceded that an officer in the security loop altered the scenario to include "the Tea Party in order to make it more realistic." The commanding officer assured us, "an official investigation has been initiated to determine the manner in which this information was included in the exercise scenario."
To make it "more realistic"? Every reader of this column can accurately profile the political views and racial/ethnic identity of the individual who "altered the scenario."
So, given the current FBI profile, if these "terrorists" are members of an organization with no leaders, no membership and, in fact, no organization, how exactly are they to be distinguished from law-abiding political activists who believe our government has exceeded its constitutional authority? How are they to be distinguished from patriotic Americans who advocate for the restoration of constitutional integrity and proper limits on the role of government? There are plenty of us who, in the course of our objections to the erosion of the Rule of Law, might make "references to the Bible, The Constitution of the United States, U.S. Supreme Court decisions, or treaties with foreign governments..."
What purpose does this FBI memo really serve?
In October 2011, DHS attempted to make amends by publishing a training guide for "Countering Violent Extremism." In that directive, Section 2 notes, "Training should be sensitive to constitutional values," and it asserts, "training should support the protection of civil rights and civil liberties as part of national security. Don't use training that equates religious expression, protests, or other constitutionally protected activity with criminal activity."
Perhaps Obama's executive appointees to the FBI should adopt a similar policy and -- unlike DHS -- abide by it. In the meantime, we are waiting for objections from oversight committee Republicans concerning Obama's latest attack on Bible-citing, Constitution-abiding Patriots[/color]
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2012, 02:06:53 PM »
I be a American Patriot with God-given rights to my guns, my God, and my Bible, all to which I cling.   Obama can keep his change!

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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2012, 02:14:58 PM »
that validates everything I've preached since 2008.
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2012, 04:30:21 PM »
I'm sure this will make the obamaites proud. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 04:58:19 AM »
It boils down to this:
If you disagree with the official government version, you are a terrorist.


So patriots are terrorists. Welcome to the club.
Thirty thousand drones will be watching you.
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 06:09:54 AM »
This was all preceeded a few years back by a report from the State of Missouri referencing domestic terrorism.  Among targeting people who spoke of the constitution, "Don't tread on me" and original flag of the 13 colonies, they also made reference that people who have Ron Paul bumper stickers should be investigated for ties to home grown terrorism.
 
 
 
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2012, 06:45:35 AM »
I be a American Patriot with God-given rights to my guns, my God, and my Bible, all to which I cling.   

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The change from Patriot to Terrorist status  and loss of your firearms can happen very fast. ;)
 
One more change in your Supreme Court makeup will get the ball rolling and there are other ways.
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2012, 08:58:07 AM »
I be a American Patriot with God-given rights to my guns, my God, and my Bible, all to which I cling.   

St762

The change from Patriot to Terrorist status  and loss of your firearms can happen very fast. ;)
 
One more change in your Supreme Court makeup will get the ball rolling and there are other ways.
try telling that to a do-or-die paul supporter.
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2012, 09:09:20 AM »
I be a American Patriot with God-given rights to my guns, my God, and my Bible, all to which I cling.   

St762

 

 
The change from Patriot to Terrorist status  and loss of your firearms can happen very fast. ;)
 
One more change in your Supreme Court makeup will get the ball rolling and there are other ways.
try telling that to a do-or-die paul supporter.

 
We know this Bugeye. That's why we support Ron Paul, the one with the most constitution friendly record. It's the RINO supporters that are going to get us a tip in the balance of the supreme court.
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2012, 09:11:16 AM »
I be a American Patriot with God-given rights to my guns, my God, and my Bible, all to which I cling.   

St762

The change from Patriot to Terrorist status  and loss of your firearms can happen very fast. ;)
 
One more change in your Supreme Court makeup will get the ball rolling and there are other ways.

That will be the patriots call to arms. ear
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2012, 10:56:45 AM »
I be a American Patriot with God-given rights to my guns, my God, and my Bible, all to which I cling.   

St762

 

 
The change from Patriot to Terrorist status  and loss of your firearms can happen very fast. ;)
 
One more change in your Supreme Court makeup will get the ball rolling and there are other ways.
try telling that to a do-or-die paul supporter.

 
We know this Bugeye. That's why we support Ron Paul, the one with the most constitution friendly record. It's the RINO supporters that are going to get us a tip in the balance of the supreme court.
RP thinks he can do his Mortimer Snerd impressions and all terrorists, both foriegn and domestic, will just go away.  but more importantly, he'll leave the abortion question to people like jerry brown.  now that is real terror for the babies.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2012, 02:59:28 PM »
Bugeye keeps the Trollin' Rollin'
 
 
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2012, 04:07:06 PM »
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RP thinks he can do his Mortimer Snerd impressions and all terrorists, both foriegn and domestic, will just go away.  but more importantly, he'll leave the abortion question to people like jerry brown.  now that is real terror for the babies.

Your hate for Ron Paul is getting really old. The fact that you claim he is somehow in favor of abortion and anti 2nd Amendment is proof that your hate for him overpowers your ability to see the truth. Need proof of this?

We need look no further than to see what the enemy NARAL has to say about Ron Paul who they gave a 0% rating to - http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/2012/gop-presidential-candidates/ron-paul.html

Gun Owners of America rates him at A+
http://gunowners.org/ronpaul-2012.htm

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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2012, 03:06:16 AM »
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RP thinks he can do his Mortimer Snerd impressions and all terrorists, both foriegn and domestic, will just go away.
I personally never heard such a thing from Ron Paul, searching as much as I can I can't find it.  I think I need a link?  But my point would be, what we have been doing for the last couple decades have not made terrorists go away, only Americans in uniform have went away.  Many went away forever.

Whatever it is we have been doing has not worked at all, seems to have made things much worse.  A great cost both on American lives and our economy, and what are nation stands for. 
I guess I don't see the point of this statement, are you saying our methods the last 20 years have made terrorists go away?  I am seeing a bigger problem than we had, and it's growing and expanding as we speak. We going into Syria and Iran next, then deal with Russia and China when we finally piss them off enough?  We are broke, both economically and morally.
I am with Ron Paul on this one.
 

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2012, 03:18:17 AM »
We are broke, both economically and morally.
I am with Ron Paul on this one.
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2012, 11:30:49 AM »
Some people just can't understand why Ron Paul supporters and young people will not vote for one of the other neocons. Maybe it is because some things are just more important than "just beating Obama". This thread is an example of what is to come if the system is not changed. Listen to this and maybe you will understand. Bugeye and Swampman will never understand.



http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell-show/2012/02/10/254-ron-paul-and-the-youth-revolution/


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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2012, 12:13:32 PM »
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RP thinks he can do his Mortimer Snerd impressions and all terrorists, both foriegn and domestic, will just go away.  but more importantly, he'll leave the abortion question to people like jerry brown.  now that is real terror for the babies.

Your hate for Ron Paul is getting really old. The fact that you claim he is somehow in favor of abortion and anti 2nd Amendment is proof that your hate for him overpowers your ability to see the truth. Need proof of this?

We need look no further than to see what the enemy NARAL has to say about Ron Paul who they gave a 0% rating to - http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/2012/gop-presidential-candidates/ron-paul.html

Gun Owners of America rates him at A+
http://gunowners.org/ronpaul-2012.htm

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+1  Bugeye's understanding of Ron Paul's stand on aborton is just as wrong.
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2012, 12:23:15 PM »
Some people just can't understand why Ron Paul supporters and young people will not vote for one of the other neocons. Maybe it is because some things are just more important than "just beating Obama".

+1 big time!

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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2012, 12:39:06 PM »
  The MIAC report was dated February 20, 2009. Days after Obama took office. This transfer of terrorism from Muslims to Patriots stared under the Bush administration. To blame Obama is short sighted.


http://www.infowars.com/secret-state-police-report-ron-paul-bob-barr-chuck-baldwin-libertarians-are-terrorists/
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2012, 12:49:52 PM »
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Maybe it is because some things are just more important than "just beating Obama".

 
I can't think of anything more important than removing imam obama from office. Our future depends on it. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2012, 12:50:29 PM »
Wow!  Thanks for posting that.  Now that I know that people who reference the Bible or the Constitution may be terrorists, I'll know what to look out for.
 
  Wait, I see one!  Oh, sorry.  Just caught a reflection.  Never mind.

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2012, 12:56:35 PM »
Wow!  Thanks for posting that.  Now that I know that people who reference the Bible or the Constitution may be terrorists, I'll know what to look out for.
 
  Wait, I see one!  Oh, sorry.  Just caught a reflection.  Never mind.

 
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2012, 12:59:05 PM »
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Maybe it is because some things are just more important than "just beating Obama".

 
I can't think of anything more important than removing imam obama from office. Our future depends on it. POWDERMAN.  :o :o


Try personal and economic liberty. It is not Paul; it is the message! Our future depends on it.
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2012, 01:12:30 PM »
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Try personal and economic liberty. It is not Paul; it is the message! Our future depends on it.

 
Sorry dude but as long as the obamination is in office none of that matters because we have neither. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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Offline jakeemt

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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2012, 01:14:30 PM »
We didn't have it under Bush either and we won't have it under Newt or Romney or the rest of the GOP elite.

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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2012, 01:36:39 PM »
Matt and GB are Ron Paul supporters.  many here are RP supporters because Matt and GB are.
RP has lied to his constituents just like the rest of the candidates. his logic for earmarks was what made me look at him a little closer. after finding that he was just another politician, I then incurred the wrath of his followers.
I refuse to change my outlook based on what the owners support.  I made a statement here one day that caused Matt to ban me for a month.  when I came back, I still support the candidate that would fight on behalf of a portion of americans that can't speak for themselves. unborn babies.
my soul is more important to me than kissing up to the owners.
RP said he would leave abortion issues up to the likes of jerry brown.
why don't some of you go as a group to Matt and get rid of me.  that's the manly way to do it isn't it.
remember, eternity is a long time and God gets pissed at people that knowingly kill babies or do nothing to prevent it.
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2012, 01:39:18 PM »
We didn't have it under Bush either and we won't have it under Newt or Romney or the rest of the GOP elite.
That is correct. And we have been shredding personal and economic liberty for eighty years under both parties. Now we are down to kicking the can down the road for one last time (by both parties) and the end of the road is near. Zero interest rate policy until 2014 indicates that they know the system is broken. An economy always flourishes under liberty and dies under repression. Look at history.
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2012, 02:48:54 PM »
OK Powderman, I respect your right to your opinion. You think life begins at conception apparently.  I do not.  I have carefully looked at the arguments for and against, and this is my considered conclusion. If you wish to base everything on that one issue, so be it. I also do not have beating Obama as my only, or even most important objective. I want to see someone (pardon the pun) "bring balance to the force". This has been like listening to a washing machine go wop wop wop. You have to shift some of the load and restart it. I do not care who does it, or what label he wears. We can do it voluntarily, pragmatically, logically, or it will rebalance itself when the machine breaks or throws a belt. Among other things maybe I can suggest the book The collapse of complex societies by a Mr Tainter. It is an anthropological text book that explores the reasons why these societies fail or survive. In a nutshell it is this: as long as the majority of the base power structure  of a given population believes that the benefits derived from a given association exceed the cost factor over time, the association shall endure. When it does not, it will fall. The economy is the system that delivers that benefit.There IS no sacred system, there is only what works at the time in question. As long as the system continues to distribute benefits that achieves the above, it will survive. If it does not it will change. I have some sympathy for ideologues, but their ultimate destiny is extinction. Teddy Roosevelt said do what you can with what you have where you are while you are there. You can leave satisfied that way.
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2012, 03:18:49 PM »
Bugeye keeps the Trollin' Rollin'
trolls throw a grenade and run.
if I believe strongly about something, I'll slug it out toe-to-toe with anybody.
another poster said my hate for RP was getting old.  I don't hate RP. the hate started with his followers when I pointed out that he was just like the rest of the candidates.
if their is a rino, it's RP.  he only became a republican when he saw that he couldn't get elected as an independant.
isn't that deceitful?
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Re: Terrorist alert. Beware of those referencing the Bible or constitution.
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2012, 09:41:55 PM »
I should get a job with the FBI, I,ve known that theres alot of Religious wacko's out there for a long time now.
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