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O'boy "backs down"....or political double speak?
« on: February 10, 2012, 12:47:47 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-announce-accommodation-religious-groups-contraceptive-rule-enough-170500694.html

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Amid a backlash from many Catholics and proponents of religious liberty, President Barack Obama announced Friday that his administration will not require religious institutions like hospitals and universities to provide free contraception to their employees in their health insurance.
Speaking to reporters at the White House Friday, Obama offered a compromise that would allow women to obtain free contraception but would require them to obtain it directly from their insurance companies if their employers object to birth control because of religious beliefs.
"Whether you're a teacher or a small businesswoman or a nurse or a janitor, no woman's 's health should depend on who she is, or where she works, or how much money she makes," Obama said, calling free contraceptive care a "core principle" of his health care law, which requires that all preventive services be provided at no cost to patients.
Obama went out of his way to say that he supports freedom of religion, pointing out that one of his stints as a community organizer in Chicago was funded by a Catholic group.
"As a citizen and as a Christian I cherish this right," Obama said. "I saw that local churches did more good for a community than a government program ever could."
Planned Parenthood and the Catholic Health Association each approved of the compromise, which the White House is calling an "accommodation," in statements on Friday.
Obama's staff was deeply divided over the decision to require free contraception, with Vice President Joe Biden and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, both Catholics, very opposed, ABC's Jake Tapper reported earlier this week.
White House officials said on a conference call with reporters Friday that the proposal would allow the government to guarantee preventive services to "nurses, teachers, janitors, mothers" who work at religious organizations, while maintaining "religious liberties."
When pressed, the White House officials--who asked to remain anonymous--did not say they are confident that the proposal will end objections from Catholic bishops. Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan, the head of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, said in a statement Friday afternoon that Obama's announcement is "a first step in the right direction," but that he does not know all of the details yet. "We hope to work with the Administration to guarantee that Americans' consciences and our religious freedom are not harmed by these regulations," he said.
The Obama administration says insurers can provide birth control for free because contraception reduces costs for them overall by preventing expensive-to-cover pregnancies, as well as reducing the risk of ovarian cancer.
Some are skeptical of Obama's claim that insurers won't pass on their costs to religious employers. "If you believe the insurance companies will actually provide the drugs for free, you know nothing of economics," Red State blogger Erick Erickson wrote on Twitter. Sarah Kliff at the Washington Post points to a Guttmacher Institute report that estimates it costs about $21 per patient to add contraception to a plan for a year. Even if those costs were offset by a reduction in pregnancies as the Obama administration suggests, the up-front cost to insurance companies would be considerable.
Holly Bailey and Liz Goodwin contributed reporting.

So....if a religious org doesn't want to provide birthcontrol coverage, they don't have too, but the insurance company they use has to provide it free? Excuse me? This is the most outrageous example of socialistdemolib double talk I believe I've ever seen!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 04:49:26 PM »
Seems like OB really likes to usurp alot of power that the constitution does not
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 05:41:19 PM »
He did not back down. he weasled!  He changed the bill from a line that said Birth control to General health care.
He just transfered the payment to everyone and while there is not a line item that the church has to pay for abortions and birth control it is part of it.  It is like being against HBO but not caring as it comes with your basic cable.  The Price is built in.
What I do not understand is, why does Birth control have to be free?
It would be like windshield wiper fluid being free with your Insurance. 
If the Church accepts this they are really stupid!

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2012, 04:03:26 AM »
Either Obwana is the dumbest sumbirch anyone can imagine, or he thinks the rest of us are as dumb as the dips that voted for him.  He is pandering bigtime to the welfare queens and the ghetto commies that want everything and anything for free.  This guy has no sense of responsibility, no common sense and has outrageously pushed the dictatorial pretense to an unbelievable level.  High crimes and misdemeanors?  Sure seems that way to me.  Time to get the rope and gallows ready.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2012, 05:01:06 PM »
It really makes you "Proud" to live in this country when bovine scat like this is taking place!! >:( >:(
Who protects and calls to task those that abuse and trounce upon the Constitution?? Congress should have put a stop to these violations many years ago!! It is pathetic what this country is becoming!
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 06:04:33 PM »
It really makes you "Proud" to live in this country when bovine scat like this is taking place!! >:( >:(
Who protects and calls to task those that abuse and trounce upon the Constitution?? Congress should have put a stop to these violations many years ago!! It is pathetic what this country is becoming!

 
YEP. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 09:45:55 PM »
Its callied going around the Religious wacko's, good for him 90 % of catholics will use birth control of some kind in their life time. Religious wacko's are always holding our country back.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2012, 04:28:34 AM »
So bypassing Congress and making edicts that no President of this country has the power to do is merely going around "religious whackos."  That is rationalizing taken to the extreme and that is what is really wrong with this country.
 
On the other hand, if I were President and decided to go rogue, I would declare that all Dumycrats must use birth control at all times and that any slipups must be terminated.  This may seem draconian, but to save the country it is imperative.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2012, 07:53:01 AM »
. Religious wacko's are always holding our country back.

How so?

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2012, 08:43:34 AM »
So exactly how do they propose to offer this free? If there is no opt out then there is no possible way of price comparison. By this rule all health care can be considered free with the exception of blood pressure testing, and that will cost you $1000 a month whether you choose to have it done or not. ::) 


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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2012, 09:01:00 AM »
well, at least the church "gets it"

http://news.yahoo.com/u-catholic-bishops-oppose-obama-birth-control-plan-171743234.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Catholic Church leaders said they will fight President Barack Obama's controversial birth-control insurance coverage policy despite his compromise that religious employers would not have to offer free contraceptives for workers, shifting the responsibility to insurers.
              In an abrupt policy shift aimed at trying to end a growing election-year firestorm, Obama on Friday announced the compromise.
              But the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said its concerns were not addressed and cited "serious moral concerns."
              In a statement issued Friday evening, the bishops said Obama's proposal "continues to involve needless government intrusion in the internal governance of religious institutions, and to threaten government coercion of religious people and groups to violate their most deeply held convictions."
              "We will therefore continue - with no less vigor, no less sense of urgency - our efforts to correct this problem through the other two branches of government," the bishops said in urging Congress to take action to overturn the rule.
              The regulation at the center of the controversy requires religious-affiliated groups such as charities, hospitals and universities, but not churches themselves, to provide employees with coverage for birth control as other health insurance providers must do.
              Catholic Church leaders and Obama's Republican opponents previously led the fight against the rule requiring coverage for contraceptives as a violation of religious freedom, making it a potential big issue in the 2012 presidential race.
              Obama's compromise sought to accommodate religious organizations, such as Catholic hospitals and universities. But the reaction from the bishops and other Catholic leaders made clear the battle would continue.
              NO "CLEAR PROTECTION"
              The bishops said the compromise failed to provide "clear protection" for many employers who might oppose birth control personally but not be classified as a religious institution, and thus ineligible to seek exemption from the federal mandate to provide free contraception as part of every insurance package.
              Under the compromise, religious employers could opt out of providing coverage, but their workers could then ask their insurance company for that benefit, and the company would be required to provide it free of charge.
              In reality, the bishops suggested, that meant the employer would still in effect be subsidizing the benefit, because the insurance company would likely pay for it out of the pool of revenues it earned from its contract with the employer.
              "This, too, raises serious moral concerns," the bishops said.
              Meanwhile, three religious groups will continue to pursue their legal challenges to the government's regulation, despite Obama's announcement, said Hannah Smith, a lawyer at the Beckett Fund for Religious Liberty, which represents the plaintiffs.
              The lawsuits, filed by two religious colleges and a Catholic television network, said the government violated their constitutional rights to freedom of speech and religion. Two were filed last year and the third was filed last week.
              The rule, initially announced on January 20, sparked an outcry not only from Catholic leaders but also from social conservatives, including Republican presidential hopefuls. It even drew opposition from several Democratic lawmakers.
              Republicans have seized on the issue, seeking to put Obama on the defensive as signs of economic improvement appear to have re-energized his re-election bid.
              Obama's compromise was aimed at preventing the controversy from becoming a liability for him with Catholic voters, while at the same time trying not to anger his liberal base.
              "Birth control is basic healthcare and women should have access to birth control, no matter where they work," said Tait Sye, a spokesperson for Planned Parenthood.
              "It should not be left up to a boss's personal beliefs whether his employees should be allowed birth control coverage," he said.
              "SHELL GAME"
              Michael O'Dea, the founder and executive director of Christus Medicus Foundation, a nonprofit advocacy group for religious healthcare providers, said many Catholic institutions have created their own self-insurance plans to get around state regulations requiring independent insurers to provide birth control if they cover other prescription drugs.
              The compromise, he said, would require those insurance plans to cover the contraception - even if the insurers are arms of the Catholic Church.
              "This compromise means nothing. It is nothing more than a shell game," O'Dea said.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2012, 11:02:50 AM »
Good for the church!

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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2012, 04:23:49 PM »
  If Obummer gets re-elected, our Nation and our freedom will be lost forever. he will not back down from anything, and try everything in his power (and outside) to utterly destroy us. God help us!
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2012, 07:28:39 PM »
The Religious leaders need to pull their heads out the their bible and start dealing with the social needs of today, and not in their make believe world they are living in.
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2012, 03:35:02 AM »
The Religious leaders need to pull their heads out the their bible and start dealing with the social needs of today, and not in their make believe world they are living in.
Believe is believe and faith is faith.
Is there nothing you do not hold as an idea that you are unwilling to comprimise about? 
Or is your whole life up for negotiations? 
Are you willing to change if someone brow beats you into going against your beliefs? 
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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2012, 03:49:47 AM »
The Religious leaders need to pull their heads out the their bible and start dealing with the social needs of today, and not in their make believe world they are living in.

 
 
andy. A Christians world is far from make believe. I'm thankful not to live in your world. Real Christians have God in their lives, we have morals and family values. Those are the 3 things that scare people in your world. Sad, if you only knew. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2012, 06:48:13 AM »
People had better danged well attend to their own social needs and quit expecting government to wipe their noses for them.  Not one commie government has been able to sustain any quality of life by looking after all the "social needs" of their poopulations and ours is no exception.  The greatest tool to remedy what ails this country is free enterprise and more freedom--not less.
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2012, 07:32:54 PM »
Catholic churches has had control of their members sex lives for hundreds of years, that control of your life is money in the bank for them, just like they have control of your sins and who goes to heaven thats always been money in the
bank from day one, they don,t want to lose that control  even if its for your better well being.
If people held themselfs accountable for their sins maybe they wouldn,t sin so often or think their better then others.
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2012, 07:50:13 PM »
How the hell does birth control get into a health care bill anyway.  ??? Who ever read any thing that said pregnancy was a disease? ::)

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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2012, 03:37:51 AM »
Apparently you haven't watched some of the lib gals on TV who are defending the Obamanations ridiculous attempt at dope and change.  They claim that pregnancy is a medical situation and they believe that birth control is preventive medicine.
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2012, 04:00:11 AM »
How the hell does birth control get into a health care bill anyway.  ??? Who ever read any thing that said pregnancy was a disease? ::)
It is all about the WAR on Morality and religon.  Christians in particular.
Also if you control the birth rate you control the costs of health care by limiting the amount of people needing medicine.

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If people held themselfs accountable for their sins maybe they wouldn,t sin so often or think their better then others.

 
andy. Problem with libby dems is that they don't recognize sin as being bad, most think sin years ago doesn't apply in their day and time. That somehow God has changed his mind and now accepts sin as normal.  :(
MCCWOODDUCK. Very true Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2012, 04:49:43 AM »
And some on here will not vote for any of the Republicans if they win the nomination other than Ron Paul, even though every single one of them said they would get rid of Obamacare right off the bat. 

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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2012, 06:09:23 AM »
And some on here will not vote for any of the Republicans if they win the nomination other than Ron Paul, even though every single one of them said they would get rid of Obamacare right off the bat.

What they say, and what they have already done shows a distinct disparity. Particularly in the case of Romney, who created the health care law.
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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2012, 07:04:33 AM »
My question is - Where are all the other Christian religions. Esp the Baptists?
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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2012, 07:43:06 AM »
Catholic churches has had control of their members sex lives for hundreds of years, that control of your life is money in the bank for them, just like they have control of your sins and who goes to heaven thats always been money in the
bank from day one, they don,t want to lose that control  even if its for your better well being.
If people held themselfs accountable for their sins maybe they wouldn,t sin so often or think their better then others.
I dated a catholic girl one time and there was this priest that followed us everywhere we went...... ::)
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2012, 09:13:42 AM »
Catholic churches has had control of their members sex lives for hundreds of years, that control of your life is money in the bank for them, just like they have control of your sins and who goes to heaven thats always been money in the
bank from day one, they don,t want to lose that control  even if its for your better well being.
If people held themselfs accountable for their sins maybe they wouldn,t sin so often or think their better then others.
I dated a catholic girl one time and there was this priest that followed us everywhere we went...... ::)
Wow - really. I'm surprised he had such an interest. If the church has soo much money- you should have invited him to tag along. He would have paid all 3 of your ways. lol
But really  back to the other religions- where are they on this issue?
 
 
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2012, 09:21:00 AM »
Catholic churches has had control of their members sex lives for hundreds of years, that control of your life is money in the bank for them, just like they have control of your sins and who goes to heaven thats always been money in the
bank from day one, they don,t want to lose that control  even if its for your better well being.
If people held themselfs accountable for their sins maybe they wouldn,t sin so often or think their better then others.
I dated a catholic girl one time and there was this priest that followed us everywhere we went...... ::)
Wow - really. I'm surprised he had such an interest. If the church has soo much money- you should have invited him to tag along. He would have paid all 3 of your ways. lol
But really  back to the other religions- where are they on this issue?
sadly the catholics won't get much help from other religions.  when I was a kid, the baptists hated catholics.  but this issue is not just religion, it's first amendment rights and everyone should come together and defeat obama.
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2012, 09:35:44 AM »
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The Religious leaders need to pull their heads out the their bible and start dealing with the social needs of today, and not in their make believe world they are living in.
Ya...sure.  Separation of church and state...except when the state needs money, then the state can step in to religion and get some.
It's amazing how left wingers can twist things both ways to suit their needs. Now the lefties want a religion to change according to the lefties social needs, which in this case, is buy birth control for anyone who wants it for free.
I would think a private insurance company will go to the high courts, and win this one hands down...but either way, they will charge the extra fees in everyones premiums because nothing is ever free.
 
The above statement in quotes is exactly what is wrong with this country, left wingers give up their freedoms out of ignorance and foolishness and actually think everything is somehow "free"...Sad deal.  They will wind up in bondage as usual at some point, in which case history shows us conservatives will have to free them again...history always repeats itself, and people stay ignorant even with history to fall back on.
 

 

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Re: O'boy "backs down"....or political double speak?
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2012, 10:31:56 AM »
The government took away what families, churches, and charities were doing in the 1950's.  In 1960 13% of Americans were under the poverty line.  Today it is over 15-20% after spending 4 trillion on welfare since the Great Society program Johnson started.  Government created several generations of welfare people.  Even FDR in the New Deal programs refused to give people money and/or food directly.  He said they would become dependent on government and would not go back to work.  He created Jobs programs, reforestation, dam building, road building, bridge building, etc.  The extreme poor, elderly, or disabled were taken care of by their families, their churches, or charity without the need for government.  Government created the "shacking up" or "living together" we have today.  A teen gets pg, and the government steps in, gives her welfare, food stamps, wick, and section 8 housing.  Why get married?  Just live together, and claim to be a single mother, and get all the government benefits.